Do you own a gun?

I got to page 4 and got seriously depressed by this thread. I assume it has become spammage since then.

It was when j2 (a top man may I add and a chap I consider a friend) commented on people holding guns sideways and mocked it that I couldn't take any more of people not knowing what they were talking about. Sorry mate, I could ignore other people posting crap.

There is a very good reason for holding a gun like that. It's to do with getting away with murder. It is actually quite logical, especially at short range.

If you are willing to take a life in a premeditated way then cool, own a gun. If you are not then don't own one. Guns are for killing people, that's what they are designed to do.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

I got to page 4 and got seriously depressed by this thread. I assume it has become spammage since then.

It was when j2 (a top man may I add and a chap I consider a friend) commented on people holding guns sideways and mocked it that I couldn't take any more of people not knowing what they were talking about. Sorry mate, I could ignore other people posting crap.

There is a very good reason for holding a gun like that. It's to do with getting away with murder. It is actually quite logical, especially at short range.

If you are willing to take a life in a premeditated way then cool, own a gun. If you are not then don't own one. Guns are for killing people, that's what they are designed to do.

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I don't own a gun and have refused receiving a gun even as an heirloom.

I have seen gang members holding their guns to the side as you describe.

How does that translate to "getting away with murder"?

Not my area of expertise so I was just curious about this statement.

I am split on the gun thing.

I live in a nice community and owning a gun would be detriment only. But my childhood maid lived in the inner city of Saint Louis. One night a man tried to force her window open, and she shot his finger off and he ran away.

I can't imagine her terror had she not had such a resource to fall back on. Nothing, not even 911 (our emergency telephone number) is going to be able to save her life.

hobbes,

If you hold a gun in the "normal" manner the casing is shot out sideways and is difficult to find. They (the casings) can travel a fair distance as any gun fiend will confirm. One doesn't want to spend valuable time searching for the evidence.

If however you hold the gun on it's side, then it (the casing) goes straight up in the air then back down, or indeed straight down if you be sinister. This makes the casing much easier to find and retreive, thus avoiding the forensic evidence (re the gun) available to the investigators.

Hence the "getting away with murder" comment. It's a common technique amongst the cognoscenti. If you are willing to fire the weapon then it is important that you retreive the evidence.

Perhaps they don't teach that in shooting people 101.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

hobbes,

If you hold a gun in the "normal" manner the casing is shot out sideways and is difficult to find. They (the casings) can travel a fair distance as any gun fiend will confirm. One doesn't want to spend valuable time searching for the evidence.

If however you hold the gun on it's side, then it (the casing) goes straight up in the air then back down, or indeed straight down if you be sinister. This makes the casing much easier to find and retreive, thus avoiding the forensic evidence (re the gun) available to the investigators.

Hence the "getting away with murder" comment. It's a common technique amongst the cognoscenti. If you are willing to fire the weapon then it is important that you retreive the evidence.

Perhaps they don't teach that in shooting people 101.

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Excellent post.

I have never fired a gun or even held one*, nor will I, but now your point is very clear. Thank you for the education.

I must admit to taking a little pride in that I do not want to take "shooting people 101".

*I shot a shotgun once at ducks at the age of 7, but was not paying attention to the details. Knocked me on my ass, it did.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

hobbes,

If you hold a gun in the "normal" manner the casing is shot out sideways and is difficult to find. They (the casings) can travel a fair distance as any gun fiend will confirm. One doesn't want to spend valuable time searching for the evidence.

If however you hold the gun on it's side, then it (the casing) goes straight up in the air then back down, or indeed straight down if you be sinister. This makes the casing much easier to find and retreive, thus avoiding the forensic evidence (re the gun) available to the investigators.

Hence the "getting away with murder" comment. It's a common technique amongst the cognoscenti. If you are willing to fire the weapon then it is important that you retreive the evidence.

Perhaps they don't teach that in shooting people 101.

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The fact is detectives do look for these casings and the best thing is to pick them up after teh firing's done.

If one fires without turning sideways they will pretty much land in the vicinity of said firings. :devil:

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Neither am I.

It is well to be wary of it, though.

If I lived in an urban area I'd be packing full-time.

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and that's exactly why our household has such a wide variety of handguns :lol: seriously tho, lots of breakin and enterings but using "teh" gun here to even scare "them" off is considered breaking the law (atleast i think not sure, but wouldn't wanna try it). my dad does a lot of hunting so he's an avid gun collector of sorts.

The fact is if you own a gun you are making a declaration, to yourself and your God that you are willing to kill someone.

If you choose to live in that frame of mind, fairy nuff. I don't.

If someone threatens my family (not my goods and chattels) then I will do everything in my power at the time to defend them. I will not however keep an instrument of death to prevent me making an insurance claim in order to replace my radiogram.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

If someone threatens my family (not my goods and chattels) then I will do everything in my power at the time to defend them.

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All I've been sayin' folks. ;)

not really. you took that out of context

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Originally Posted by Sparsely

Europe is full of smelly goat-like people who seem to think that they have a superior sense of geography simply because their continent consists of about 1000 tiny countries all mashed together and divided only over which type of tea they prefer.
They also often insist that their particular dialect of the English language is the only "correct" one, and will take the opportunity express some sort of intellectual superiority because they enjoy embracing colloquialisms rather than having a dynamic language.

Hell, at least Americans are ashamed of our inbreds, hiding them all in the deep South, you guys give em thrones and send thier monkey-children to costume parties in outrageous attire.

Not to mention that celebrity worship is about 10x what it is in America, at least our journalists don't run our dignitaries into ditches on the highway just to try to get a glimpse of her new eyeshadow, or of her text-messaging some football bloke.


There, happy now? :D

sparsely runs off in fear

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So Europe=Great Britain, then? :unsure: