I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

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07-17-2005, 03:02 PM
Snee

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

True...

But Rio is anti-Israel

I'm anti-"all the bloody leaders everywhere, shit rises and politicians are the worst" :angry:

:P

Amen to that.

Anarchy all the way :01:

Nah, maybe not, but some things are screwed up all over the place thanks to dodgy decisions made by politicians, and that includes Israel, Palestine and pretty much the rest of the world.
07-17-2005, 03:04 PM
GepperRankins

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

However, no one seems to be disputing Tralalala's facts here..

I've pointed out that they're incorrect, and will reinforce this by pointing to Israeli Polls which state such things as:

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The poll, commissioned by Israel Radio, showed that popular support for the disengagment, which a year ago was running at 60 percent and higher, had dropped to 50 percent.

At the same time, opposition to the plan went up to 40 percent, from a low of 33 percent last year, the radio added.

This is a long way from just the "Religious Nutters" being against it, which is what is implied.. unless the Nutters now make up 40% of the population.

I dont like Polls, as they give information without informing of the demographic of the source...

However there are so many giving similar results, that they cant be ignored.

In addition no one has actually asked what, if any, benefit will be gained by a partial withdrawal. Plus what affect any measurements will have mearly because they were "brokered" by the USA.

Both things have a negative value in the eyes of the Palestinians.

eg:

This Poll was from 2004, and conducted with Middle Eastern Academics..

The Israeli Withdrawal from Gaza and Proposed Annexation of West Bank Settlements

This was also released in 2004, by the Pew Research Centre which is non-partisan. This shows the trust for the USA and attitudes towards Muslims, Jews and Christians in different countries.

The USA may be surprised to know that Christians are more unpopular now than Jews in most Muslim countries...

A Year After Iraq War

apparently 63% of isreal and america are against a disengagement, i don't know why it really matters what the americans think like :ermm:

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07-17-2005, 03:10 PM
tralalala

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

@RF's post further up the page:

As you said yourself - the poll is "out of date", and is from over a year ago.

Since, many have changed - now it's around 65%-70% (supporting the dusengagement) if I am not mistajen (from one of the major Israeli newspapers about 2-3 months ago... they do one every few months).

I shall explain why this figure has changed:
In the past 2 months, all the settlers have been trying to get the disengagement cancelled, or at least postponed. The thing was, the way they did this pissed many, many Israelis off, which is why more and more people are comign to hate these nutters and want them to get the hell out of Gaza for the sake of Israel.
Settlers have blocked main roads on the country by sitting on them
Settlers have glued keyholes in police stations/army bases
Settlers have punctured the tires of many cars (including army cars/jeeps, MP cars, police cars etc.).

That and many more have pissed us off, and now so many more people want them outta there and as fast as possible.
They try and try, but now it is getting rediculouse, which is why they will eventually lose their already lost battle.

@SnnY: Young and can't see the whole picture... half of that statement is true, the other is false. Can you guess which? :P
Seriously though - I may only be a teenager, but I have had more experience in what is going on in my country that anyone else in this forum, and all over the world for that matter. I think my posts have many info. that is true in them, I do see the big picture, I see it everyday on the news here in Israel (not BBC and not SKY). I see bombing moments after they happen, I see settlers pissing off people, I see it all.

BTW just read the paper - last weekend nearly 100 killed in Iraq by 11 suiciders, a woman suicider killed 5 in Turkey (including an English and an Irish and 3 Turks).... All Muslim.. Now someone tell me that modern terrorism isn't all about Islam....
07-17-2005, 03:12 PM
tralalala

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

@Gepper:
As I said before - we Israelis don't give a toss about American Jews' thoughts about the situation, they don't have a say.
07-17-2005, 03:15 PM
JPaul

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

Now someone tell me that modern terrorism isn't all about Islam....

How many times FFS. That's just garbage.

3 of the 4 murderers in the UK were apparently banned from the local Mosque.

Please do not blame everyone for the actions of a few.

Not all Catholics supported the actions of the IRA. Not all Muslims support these atrocities. The Imans have been speaking out against these actions and say they are sins.
07-17-2005, 03:17 PM
Rat Faced

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

I do see the big picture, I see it everyday on the news here in Israel (not BBC and not SKY). I see bombing moments after they happen, I see settlers pissing off people, I see it all.

And as i said earlier, the israeli Media is rated 135th in the world as "Free Press"..

I'll stick with my 27th rated thanks :snooty:
07-17-2005, 03:21 PM
GepperRankins

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

i heard some guy on the radio. just a random muslim in the streets of leeds asked about the terrorists and he said "they aren't even muslims, suicide is a sin. these guys are just wannabes"

apparently these kids in london weren't even suicide bombers though. i wouldn't expect them to be as they had a lot to live for. but the timings of the bombs going off suggests they were detonated remotely, as well as some other stuff that's in the papers that i didn't buy.
07-17-2005, 03:22 PM
GepperRankins

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Quote:

Originally Posted by tralalala

I do see the big picture, I see it everyday on the news here in Israel (not BBC and not SKY). I see bombing moments after they happen, I see settlers pissing off people, I see it all.

And as i said earlier, the israeli Media is rated 135th in the world as "Free Press"..

I'll stick with my 27th rated thanks :snooty:

our media is 27th free-est? :ohmy:

who is number 1 and where do the merkins stand?
07-17-2005, 03:23 PM
Snee

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

Dunno' about the merkins.

But we are 11th :01:

_:)_

the UK was 28th in 2004 :snooty:
and Israel 36th :blink:
07-17-2005, 03:25 PM
Rat Faced

Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.

I must appologise to Tralalala... the Israeli Press are not 135th :(

The US press with regards to Iraq are.

Israel are 44th (with regards to anything outside of the occupied territories)

and 146th with regard to the Occupied Territories.

Again.. Sorry, your press is even worse than i thought on this issue :(

My other rankings remain.. Finland is ranked No 1 in the Free Press rankings..

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