Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
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Originally Posted by DanB
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Originally Posted by ahctlucabbuS
No, I can't claim he has double standards, that's a bit of a reach (which I admitted) based only on this thread. Though if I remember correctly I'm sure I can dig up the thread about Iraqi prison behaviour and his response there. In any case, I'd say double standards in this case is better than supporting torture across the board, no?
Please try, I think you will be mistaken.
While I may not support forcing people to carry out homosexual acts, tying electrical wires to them, throwing menstrual blood them or kicking the shit out of prisoners, I have no problem with sleep depravation, stress psositions and exposure to cold etc as interrogation methods. In fact as part of of British Army training you are taught how to cope with these interogation methods.
Anyone watch the series on BBC2 a couple of years ago called SAS: Are you tough enough? :unsure:
Yeah part of many soldiers' training deals with coping with torture.
If you have no problem with those methods of interrogation then you support that type of torture and it is not allowed per the Geneva Convention.
As I said, torture is torture.
Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
Sometimes I think the Geneva Conventions were written by pussies, for pussies.
Hell, if I miss dessert, I've tortured myself.
If I don't get to bed on time, I've tortured myself.
If I fall asleep with a light on, ditto.
Oh, dear me. :(
Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
My wife says under the Geneva Convention I have to fix that dripping tap, I mean, wtf??? :angry:
Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
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Originally Posted by DanB
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Originally Posted by ahctlucabbuS
No, I can't claim he has double standards, that's a bit of a reach (which I admitted) based only on this thread. Though if I remember correctly I'm sure I can dig up the thread about Iraqi prison behaviour and his response there. In any case, I'd say double standards in this case is better than supporting torture across the board, no?
Please try, I think you will be mistaken.
While I may not support forcing people to carry out homosexual acts, tying electrical wires to them, throwing menstrual blood them or kicking the shit out of prisoners, I have no problem with sleep depravation, stress psositions and exposure to cold etc as interrogation methods. In fact as part of of British Army training you are taught how to cope with these interogation methods.
Anyone watch the series on BBC2 a couple of years ago called SAS: Are you tough enough? :unsure:
I disagree, I see your examples as reflecting torture and agrees with Busyman's latest.
Psychological torture is often worse than blatant physical. The uncertainty aspect of beeing constantly alert and unsure of what and when to expect "the treatment" is just as responsible for later psychological problems as purely reliable physical torture.
Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
My wife says under the Geneva Convention I have to fix that dripping tap, I mean, wtf??? :angry:
Water torture. :nono:
Is she of chinese origin, by any chance?
Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
Ok then, bit off tangent to the original post but I think quite a valid discussion point.
How would you suggest information is extracted from people that have been captured who do not wish to pass on the information they have? :unsure:
Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
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Originally Posted by DanB
Ok then, bit off tangent to the original post but I think quite a valid discussion point.
How would you suggest information is extracted from people that have been captured who do not wish to pass on the information they have? :unsure:
Ask them nicely and reward them with dessert, of course.
Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
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Originally Posted by Busyman™
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Originally Posted by DanB
Ok then, bit off tangent to the original post but I think quite a valid discussion point.
How would you suggest information is extracted from people that have been captured who do not wish to pass on the information they have? :unsure:
Ask them nicely and reward them with dessert, of course.
Is that what the US tried with Zacarias Moussaoui ? Cos I'd suggest that it doesn't work. :frusty:
Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
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Originally Posted by DanB
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Originally Posted by Busyman™
Ask them nicely and reward them with dessert, of course.
Is that what the US tried with
Zacarias Moussaoui ? Cos I'd suggest that it doesn't work. :frusty:
Mmk.
Re: "Revealed: victims of UK's cold war torture camp"
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Originally Posted by Busyman™
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Originally Posted by DanB
Is that what the US tried with
Zacarias Moussaoui ? Cos I'd suggest that it doesn't work. :frusty:
Mmk.
Do you not think in some cases the end outweighs the means Busy? :unsure:
If they had used questionable torture/interogation methods on this man he may have broken and a whole lot of shit would never have taken place.
