God v No God

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

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Originally Posted by Busyman™

I am more inclined to believe that there was/is an intelligent being that always has been in existence than a rock and what makes up that rock.

When some question who created the creator, it makes more sense to me that the creator was this starting point and not some particles popped in by.....no one.:ermm:

To go further, the fact that physical rules govern what goes on in the natural world had to have a starting point other than "that's just how it is."

Not to say that a creator wrote in a rule book, "Gravity acceleration on Earth = 9.8 m/s" but the initial physical laws that made it end up that way (for the time being) had to be started by an intelligent being, imo.

As a tangent, I believe none of this (besides gravity of course) should be taught in science class. It does not and cannot advance science, only philosophy.

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but what was there before this intelligent being?

the fact is, the concept of the beginning (and the limits) of the universe are inconceivable.

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Of course it is.

I believe God always is and always was and God began the universe as we know it.

Ok there it is.

When I was a youngster, I thought of other ways that God existed and started the universe. I wrote a paper once about God being the dense energy and was the Big Bang itself. When some religious folk say God is everywhere, he really is. I've had other theories that would take too long for the moment.

Anything is conceivable.

So where does "God" exist?

edit: I'm using "God" as a generic term for a higher being, could just as easily be any other higher being from any other faith.

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

So where does "God" exist?

edit: I'm using "God" as a generic term for a higher being, could just as easily be any other higher being from any other faith.

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See above. I only added 1 sentence in the edit.:dry:

the busyman(TM) edit:smilie4:

You say anything is conceivable, it is impossible for the human mind to comprehend a limitless universe. If there was a being which created the universe, there has to have been something before it in which the being itself, in this case you say god, existed surely?

by the way, if this gets moved to the drawing room or whatever it's called, i shall refuse to partake any further in it:snooty:

All this is beyond human intelligence.

Either trust and accept without knowledge nor understanding or reject it.

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

by the way, if this gets moved to the drawing room or whatever it's called, i shall refuse to partake any further in it:snooty:

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Oh well. :smilie4:

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

the busyman(TM) edit:smilie4:

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Well you asked a question that was addressed before the edit.

Whether you saw an edit afterwards, it did not preclude you from seeing what was already there, right?

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

You say anything is conceivable, it is impossible for the human mind to comprehend a limitless universe. If there was a being which created the universe, there has to have been something before it in which the being itself, in this case you say god, existed surely?

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You say that there had to be an outer space or something. You think small and "in the universe" so to speak. Nothing wrong with that though.

So you say that the human mind has thought boundaries. I say it doesn't. That would mean imagination has limits. That would mean we would have a technological limit.

We don't.