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07-15-2003, 08:55 AM
tracydani

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Originally posted by Switeck@15 July 2003 - 10:08
But the Hulk workprint would either be made from a DVD or the original film source. Each work copy sent out to theaters might have a marker in it to say which number it is -- then it's a matter of eliminating suspects to determine who at a given theater leaked a copy.

I don't remember where I heard/read it but, I belive it had to do with the counter/watermark? Apparently they each have different markings/numbers which are normally blocked out to hide where it is from.
But on this movie they also placed the numbers/markers in different places for each copy. This meant they could track it even though it was removed/blocked just by seeing where the blank spot was.

At that point it was pretty easy for them.

TD

Oh yeah, there is a special place in the lounge for the wmd talk. This is not it, unless you are sharing that through kazaa? In that case post a hash in the appropriate section so I don't keep getting Brittany Spears when I search for it ;)
07-16-2003, 02:33 AM
downloader2008

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Originally posted by junkyardking@15 July 2003 - 00:56
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@15 July 2003 - 03:31
So to wrap this whole thing up, they CANT put tracking devices into AVI files? :huh:

Not nescessary true, i dont know about avi's, but i heard that guy who ripped that workprint of the hulk got found out, how?

Because when he ripped it from the source, probally a dvd/cd somthing in digital format anyway, a program phoned home alerting them to it.

An AVI file can be a renamed ASF or WMV file that CAN have phone-home abilities in it. I've gotten a few DragonBall Z episodes that do that. But that's off-topic. Only Microsoft video editing software would be so evil as to track your actions and phone home for copyright violations. :P

But the Hulk workprint would either be made from a DVD or the original film source. Each work copy sent out to theaters might have a marker in it to say which number it is -- then it's a matter of eliminating suspects to determine who at a given theater leaked a copy. [/b][/quote]
So you mean that if I download a movie from someone on Kazaa, they can find out stuff about me?! :mellow:
07-16-2003, 04:58 PM
Switeck

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Originally posted by Switeck@15 July 2003 - 03:08

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Originally posted by junkyardking@15 July 2003 - 00:56
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@15 July 2003 - 03:31
So to wrap this whole thing up, they CANT put tracking devices into AVI files? :huh:

Not nescessary true, i dont know about avi's, but i heard that guy who ripped that workprint of the hulk got found out, how?

Because when he ripped it from the source, probally a dvd/cd somthing in digital format anyway, a program phoned home alerting them to it.

An AVI file can be a renamed ASF or WMV file that CAN have phone-home abilities in it. I've gotten a few DragonBall Z episodes that do that. But that's off-topic. Only Microsoft video editing software would be so evil as to track your actions and phone home for copyright violations. :P

But the Hulk workprint would either be made from a DVD or the original film source. Each work copy sent out to theaters might have a marker in it to say which number it is -- then it's a matter of eliminating suspects to determine who at a given theater leaked a copy.

So you mean that if I download a movie from someone on Kazaa, they can find out stuff about me?! :mellow:[/b][/quote]Yes, if you get a trojan horse, they can do almost anything they want to your computer -- possibly without you even knowing. I've gotten a fake MP3 file that was in fact a renamed *.VBS script VIRUS. Having 1-byte corruptions added to all your shared files would be very hard to spot if it was done 'quietly' and didn't changed the date/time on the files -- but it would wreck anyone's ability to swarm your files with others of identical kind.

Having said all that, NO you need NOT be vulnerable to any of that.

If you download a movie, you can view the raw details of the file in a hex editor or some similar viewer-but-not-runner program and after only a minimal amount of training you'll be able to tell the difference between MPG and AVI and WMV/ASF and even RM! They are all very distinctive in layout and only WMV/ASF and RM have 'phone home' capabilities. I usually do a hex view of the tv shows I download just to check to see what video codecs they used and whether they are complete files -- the end of their file should have the keyframe tables if they're AVI files (although I can't tell for WMV/ASF or MPG).

Remarked files are rare and generally accidental among what I get (anime), but for movies I'm sure MPAA has ALREADY experimented with fakes that have phone-home capabilities.
07-17-2003, 03:15 AM
downloader2008

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Originally posted by Switeck@16 July 2003 - 11:58
Yes, if you get a trojan horse, they can do almost anything they want to your computer -- possibly without you even knowing. I've gotten a fake MP3 file that was in fact a renamed *.VBS script VIRUS. .

Having said that was the file name *.vbs.mp3 or was it just *.mp3? And to make it clear, unless the video is a virus or trojan, you can NOT trace the video back to the person who downloaded it...?
07-17-2003, 09:45 AM
Switeck

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Originally posted by downloader2008+16 July 2003 - 22:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (downloader2008 @ 16 July 2003 - 22:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Switeck@16 July 2003 - 11:58
Yes, if you get a trojan horse, they can do almost anything they want to your computer -- possibly without you even knowing. I've gotten a fake MP3 file that was in fact a renamed *.VBS script VIRUS. .

Having said that was the file name *.vbs.mp3 or was it just *.mp3? And to make it clear, unless the video is a virus or trojan, you can NOT trace the video back to the person who downloaded it...?[/b][/quote]The MP3 virus filename was *.MP3 -- not *.vbs.mp3 nor *.mp3.lnk...

Media Player recognized the internal file structure (*.vbs) even though the filename was *.mp3 and ran it just fine.

Unless there is a virus or trojan in the file you download OR you are sharing the files you download, there is no easily-workable way for anyone other than the person you download from to know what you just downloaded.

There are difficult man-in-the-middle monitoring approaches -- such as your ISP recording all internet traffic to your computer and determining what you downloaded that way or a supernode monitoring your traffic -- but the technical expertise to do them (and the luck factors involved) make them unworkable as a large-scale spying method for RIAA to use on file sharers.

With 1 possible exception:
If they set up lots of supernodes, then monitored the search/download request traffic going through them they might get SOME indirect evidence linking the nodes that connect to them to the files they're attempting to download. But because they have no way to verify if the user/s only ran a search but didn't download, cancelled the downloads, or were even aware they downloaded a 'bad' file, if they attempted to use that information in a court of law they'd be laughed at. (They may get more info for firewalled users because supernodes act as go-betweens to make those connections work.)

But it's not courts that they're using... it's politicians and law enforcement. If you care to 'contest' their claims and take them to court, you have to give up all your privacy and show them EVERYTHING you're doing on your computer -- after all, if you're innocent then you have nothing to hide.
07-22-2003, 01:35 AM
downloader2008

So that means that usually files that have *.MP3 instead of *.mp3, will have a virus?! :huh:
07-22-2003, 09:12 AM
Switeck

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Originally posted by downloader2008@21 July 2003 - 20:35
So that means that usually files that have *.MP3 instead of *.mp3, will have a virus?! :huh:

NO!

The example I used I spelled out *.MP3 in caps for emphasis.
Windows doesn't care whether the file extension is in caps or not.

*.tXt , *.TXT , *.txt , and *.txT will all open as a text file by notepad (more than likely.)
07-22-2003, 09:34 AM
TIBZ

if u got a bootleg movie its not illegal if u just have it u have u purchased it or sold it then thats wen it becomes a crime
07-22-2003, 11:12 AM
Icey

I think mass file sharing such as kazaa will finsh soon..
but ppl will set up exclusive groups ( and password or give access rites to ppl ) sharing the latest files and the fbi, riaa , mpaa can't do a thing about it.. :)
07-22-2003, 01:32 PM
Will_518

Don't worry about it guys, just think:
how many ppl are shaing files?
how crowded are US prisons?

Anyway, don't worry if you go to prison, it's good life experience and good exercise, and you'll learn a lot.

BTW, so all you guys are file sharers, right...
Mmmh, must tell my boss about this forum then......

[just joking]

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