September 11

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Originally posted by Billy_Dean@10 September 2003 - 13:11
I appreciate what your saying Illuminati, and if you read my first post in this thread you'll see I asked only how people feel about the 20-30,000 innocent Afghanis that were killed. I stated this was not a flame, and I paid respects to those who died on 911. Can we not at the same time pay respects to ALL innocent people who have died because of this incident? Or are American lives more important? Why is the murder of 3,000 westerners a "tragedy", whilst the slaughter of 10 times that number called "collateral damage"?? To me, what happened to innocent Afghanis was 10 times worse than what happened on 911.

And if no-one else is willing to acknowledge them, I will!

May their souls rest in peace.

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Billy Jean, you seem to forget one important thing...

This topic was out of respect to all INNOCENT people that lost their lives on 911.

People dying in wars, acts of crime or terrorism are all innocent. Try to seperate that from the question of who's guilty and what is worse.... There is just no worse, all the innocent deaths deserves our deepest respect.... ;) No matter what side your on....

Well first of all jetje, my name is not Billy Jean, you seem to be mistaking me for a song written by a well known child molester! In fact, it's not Billy Dean either, but that's another story...

As for the word guilty .. did I use that word?

When using the term "worse" I was refering to the scale of life lost. Or is it not correct to say that 10 deaths is worse than one!

And my last point is this, this thread was NOT started to respect ALL innocent deaths, it was started to remember only the deaths of 911.

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Can we not at the same time pay respects to ALL innocent people who have died because of this incident?

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As you can see, I was the one who first mentioned ALL the deaths.


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Sorry for the mistyping name.. Billy_Dean...

What i was pointing at, if someone starts a post where they ask for respect for innocent death, you just do that or leave the topic alone... It is not a discussion on what was worse, wrong or right... just respect the innocent death

more clear now!

Start a new topic on what is worse or... This is not the topic to do that! This is in memorian to 911... with nice and peacefull intentions :)

ok flaming stop NOW!
itd be good if a mod created a new thread and merged the shit into that one to keep this thread about what we remember on that day.
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I was waiting for the bus when my friend told me about what he had seen on the t.v. that terrorists had crashed planes into the WTC. At first i thought he was bullshitting me. So i just let it drift to the back of my head and started talking about other things. then i got on the bus and everyone was silent, the radio was on and i started listening. i almost shat my pants right then and there.

i got to school and went into a classroom which had a t.v. and was dumbfounded by the images of the planes flying into the wtc.

we were allowed to watch the news in most of my classes that day. but at night, i was unbelievably scared as to what might happen while i was sleeping, but i was also confident that the U.S. would not let anything else happen.

I've always heard that there will always be a few instances in your life where you can remember and re-live that exact moment the rest of your life, so far I have three...

1:Challenger explosion

2:The day Dale Earnhardt died(as trivial as that sounds, it was a shock)

3: 9/11...

I had no work that day and had woke unusually early for a day off, about 9:10am. Being somewhat of a news junkie,(I disagree with many of US's policies as well but thats another post) my T.V. was still set to Fox News. As always I took note of the 'Fox News Alert' but tended to disregard it as just another fluff story and started flipping to the three other news channels to see the real story, then I noticed that they were talking about a plane crashing into the one of the towers. I thought what kind of moron could have done such a thing, and continued to watch something that will always haunt me as one the most surreal days of my life. It was within ten or fifteen minutes of watching the sketchy details of the first crash that they broke in and said that a second plane had hit, at the exact same moment as millions of other people I realized this was no accident.

The rest of the morning I sat mesmerized watching history, unedited history, not like the clips they show out of respect now, unfold before my eyes, first watching as people were jumping and falling to their deaths, listening to a phone interview with a man trapped on an upper floor(who we all now know was speaking his final words live on the air), then as the unthinkable happened, the fucking building started to fall down.

I actually feel so guilty now because I felt excited watching this, not in a morbid way, but just the total chaos and awe of everything happening, no one knew what was happening. The newscasters were all professional just trying to report the story, it had none of the immediate impact of the tape you hear of the 'Hindenburg crash'. Everyone was so calm talking about the hundreds of thousands that worked in and around the towers that may be dead, it just seemed like a movie, or a really bad nightmare.

In my opinion these are the things that separate this from every other tragedy, the fact that the 'impossible' was happening live on the air, and millions of Americans and others around the world I imagine, were experiencing this together as one even though they were separated by millions of miles. I live in Ohio and don't know anyone in NY, but that day it didn't really matter, it felt like those were my family and my friends dying for some unknown reason.

May God Bless them all

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We asked for the leaders to be turned over, they we not.

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The Afgans were willing to hand them over, to any country except the US for trial.

There stated reason: They would not receive a fair trial in the USA.

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And the Taliban was the exemplar of a fair judicial system? [/b][/quote]
No.

But the USA set &#39;em up, so it should have been.

You didnt quote the point, so i assume you agreed with it.


HOWEVER

Jetje is right, this thread is about respect for the dead....not arguing matters.

We&#39;ll take it up on another thread.




I was just on a British Military Base in yorkshire surveying the place, and found out when there was a security alert and i got searched by a couple of sentries.

I heard the details on the car radio later, on my way home........and watched the re-runs on TV.


No innocents should be made to pay the price of someones beliefs, whatever they are.

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Originally posted by Suicyco247@10 September 2003 - 10:34
I actually feel so guilty now because I felt excited watching this, not in a morbid way, but just the total chaos and awe of everything happening

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I felt exactly the same way, and i feel that way every time i watch the planes crash into the buildings.

I remember... do you?

When sawing the planes and the crashing - second crashing, casue I&#39;ve been in the car on the way home drivin&#39; - I heared a sport plane crashed and did not think that it was an attack.

But when seeing all these events I feel desperately helpless in some ways and could not beleive it that this part of New York was gone, although I never have been in this city - I only was in London and it has wonderful atmosphere between people - I try to spread it out :) by sharing my thoughts openly - as well - to understand each other better. ( http://internet-news.gmxhome.de/london )

I also feel sad - in some ways about what was going on and on the side later that - although human life contains negative parts - it is sad about so much violence and people suffer in the world.

It also met me unexpected - that is why I could not believe that a part of New York was gone with some people.

During these events I heared "Come Along", by TITYO. When hearing it remembers this time - I also heared Faith Hill although I think some songs from her are really good like in Pearl Harbor. That is why I thought "There you&#39;ll be" really is good on a cemetery when someone died just to remember him or her...
he is not dead probably he or she is some kind of energy...

--&#62; The other thing why I think back to these sad events is that at that time in this week then my cousin from Gdansk visit me: after installing Audiogalaxy I started really filesharing with it sometimes and then more... ok, before I tried some Napster, but never on my copmuter and it was too slow...

I think I&#39;ve never downloaded or uploaded any file with napster, but audiogalaxy
was the fastest - at the beginning it wasn&#39;t fast but then changed some settings "bandwith" how many uploads and downloads at once - do not know exactly what I change, but then it worked really faster...

That is why I still hoping it will come back - and its blue interface is still good
to organise your music or mp3s :)

At that time on this day I downloaded Faith Hills song with audiogalaxy "There you&#39;ll be" ... iI remember it showed many times in my shared and everytime I see the date 9th 11. 2001 think of this events...

thanks anyway, david.

that is interesting, although it is just hazard and is not directly with the events:
when my sister were in new york sometime before with her boyfriend, they were
on the wtc as well as on the empire state building... and on the wtc her olympus
camera did not work correctls - that could have been a sign, probably - but I do not know, I juse think of it...

Well I didn&#39;t actually see anything.. I was sleeping in from being up late night. I woke up around ten something in the morning... turned on the tv and the helicopter cam was possistioned somewhere were the two towers used to be. Smoke was everywhere so I woke up my girlfriend. She called one of her friends. She was telling me about her friend&#39;s uncle working in that building in NY...

While she was on the phone I just sat there in amazement as I watched the continue to show the plane go into the building...I thought to myself the hell those people on the plane must have went through right before they slammed into the building. I thought a lot of things...I keept picturing in my mind over and over again every single person on the plane...how horrible it was...

One video was from the first plane....I watched it so clearly right before it hit, in open view....It was like so.....Too much for words....I mean...you could actually SEE THIS. I&#39;ve never seen something so tragic, so clear, so recent....

I saw the first plane right before it hit...It look just so chilling. first couple a seconds, good building, full of people, good plane, full of people, in a split second...

Then those people were dead. I still can&#39;t get over it this day...

I watched as the people cried in the streets, helped each other out. It was a recording from when it happend since I woke up late, but it was still amazing. The thing I feel worst about is not being awake...I feel that I missed something that gatherd people, with love, helping each other out to rescue those people. Waking up late and watching that made me feel left out. Like I didn&#39;t get to feel the pain along with them...Felt like I wasn&#39;t apart of the greaving...that was a hurting feeling... Now When people ask, hey Baxton, where were you when that morning when that amazing, once in a lifetime, horrific event, that teamwork to save lives, that sacrifice by the police, fire fighters, the civilians donating blood, I&#39;ll have to look down in shame with, "I was asleep"

It takes a big event like this to show us how precious life is. I hear the news all the time about "A man was killed last night....", yet I just continue on with my life...

I shouldn&#39;t do that, we shouldn&#39;t do that.

May the lord be with all that died today, died that day, died yesterday, and for all that will die tomorrow. :flowers: peace ;)