The Netherlands is the most developed Cilisation in the world... Probably.
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The Netherlands is the most developed Cilisation in the world... Probably.
How so, and who is second, third, fourth, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Do you subscribe to U.N. standards in your determinative process.
The Netherlands is not a civilised country. Don't listen to that Sunderland fellow.:angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4You mean, like the Netherlands?Quote:
Originally Posted by thewizeard
Alas, you dont get the Carlsberg Ads over there, so the joke was lost..Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4How so, and who is second, third, fourth, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Do you subscribe to U.N. standards in your determinative process.
Oh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat FacedAlas, you dont get the Carlsberg Ads over there, so the joke was lost..Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Well, let's see 'em.
I do want to get the joke, after all.
you're not really missing much, they just use the word probably to get away with lying: "Carlsberg - probably the best beer in the world". Its kinda like that thing of putting question marks after bullshit statements
I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilw
So...back to the premise:
Which countries are so civilized as to warrant consideration?
Define: "Civilised"
Every culture will have its own meaning to a subjective word.
eg:
Can any developed country without Universal Free Heathcare be classed as civilised? If this is the standard then Cuba is, You aren't. You do afterall come 29th or something at Child Mortality in the Developed Nations league about three quarters towards the bottom.
If its the Death Penalty, you'd also fail.
If its banning drugs, you pass and Holland doesn't.
Define what you mean, and maybe we can give an opinion.
As you point out, "civilized" is in the eye of the beholder.
Posters should indicate their own preferences - I have my own, certainly, but as you have also indicated (over the years), you much prefer your current milieu to mine, based on your (mis-)understanding of either/both, and the same goes for me.
I think the interesting parts would be those you regard as minuses that I would see the other way, and vice-versa.
Civilisation Plus: Benefits System aimed at those incapable of Looking Out for themselves, Free Religion, Free Speech, Free Association, Free Universal Health at point of Use, Universal Education for Children without "Political Interference", Right to Defend Self and Property, Minimum of Laws all of which should be justified in Terms of Protecting Citizens-Property-Nation (ie Stupid Laws that cannot be enforced shouldn't even be considered eg: How can you make illegal a substance anyone can grow in their Garden? Its unenforcable so allow the Darwin Effect to take care of it).. something you should like: Those that attack a Society (and that means by breaking those minimal laws etc unless they can show mitigating circumstances) do not deserve the Protection of that Society.
Minus: The opposite
Can't think of any Civilised Society.. Sorry. However Netherlands is probably the closest to one I can think of offhand. It provides Protection for its Citizens whilst still being laid back enough to allow personal freedom