I use a lot of bandwidth, but am tired of paying...

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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

Hop off your high horse pal, your no better than me nor anyone else on this forum.

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I find it amusing that "you pirate so therefore you have no input on morality or legal issues" is being used as an argument here. You pirate as well. Would you not say that murder is wrong? Stealing a car? Kidnapping a child? The world is not separated into the black and white of criminal activity, while one person may shoplift a loaf of bread, that doesn't mean they'll proceed to rob a bank.

In short, I simply made an observation that taking morality advice from someone who's discussed doing something quite immoral in this thread is ridiculous. Squirm around it how you will, the truth still stands.

And that's really what it comes down to. If you think there are no degrees to criminals, and anyone who's done anything wrong in their life has no concept of morality, you have an interesting view on the world.

Although this thread has not gone as I had expected, I find it quite fascinating that there is a near-perfect consensus of people posting who believe it is morally wrong for me to grab this 2.4ghz radio frequency that is floating in the air around me.

It is of no consequence that the company I would no longer be paying is actually a frequent opponent to this community. Even those who are giving me the "out" of paying another company (phone co.), believe I should be paying somebody.

How about this...

Instead of paying Concast, I leech no more than 60GB/mo and divide that among 6 different open connections (10 GB ea) AND I donate that money to...take your pick:

1. An orphanage
2. Children's Leukemia research
3. A homeless shelter
4. A fund that helps poor families receive a computer and internet access

Would any of these causes absolve me from my moral deficit? Or should this money ABSOLUTELY go to AN ISP?

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

Although this thread has not gone as I had expected, I find it quite fascinating that there is a near-perfect consensus of people posting who believe it is morally wrong for me to grab this 2.4ghz radio frequency that is floating in the air around me.

It is of no consequence that the company I would no longer be paying is actually a frequent opponent to this community. Even those who are giving me the "out" of paying another company (phone co.), believe I should be paying somebody.

How about this...

Instead of paying Concast, I leech no more than 60GB/mo and divide that among 6 different open connections (10 GB ea) AND I donate that money to...take your pick:

1. An orphanage
2. Children's Leukemia research
3. A homeless shelter
4. A fund that helps poor families receive a computer and internet access

Would any of these causes absolve me from my moral deficit? Or should this money ABSOLUTELY go to AN ISP?

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IMO it'd be okay only if:
- the owner of the connection wouldn't receive any C&D letters.
- you would leech your stuff when the owner of the connection is not using it.
- the owner of the connection would never reach his/her cap even though you're using it.

The same thing concerns "illegal" p2p: I'd never ever buy any of the shit I download; nobody loses anything.

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In short, I simply made an observation that taking morality advice from someone who's discussed doing something quite immoral in this thread is ridiculous. Squirm around it how you will, the truth still stands.

And that's really what it comes down to. If you think there are no degrees to criminals, and anyone who's done anything wrong in their life has no concept of morality, you have an interesting view on the world.

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The "degrees to criminals" is on nearly the same level, which was the comment I was making.
I'm saying hacking isn't more/less moral than pirating software (that was cracked by a hacker... ironic isn't it)

Ca aok tell me if your so damn superior to me, why I should take morality advise from you when you pirate software.

Personally I find it hard to take morality advise from someone that Bites the hand that feeds him.

I'm not infecting other people's computers with backdoor software for my own greedy purposes. Pretty simple.

As a pirate, you have to draw the line somewhere if you have any morals at all. I've used other peoples wireless before, to browse the web. I would never pirate material or hack from there though, putting that person at risk.

I steal (digital) files, but I would never rob a store.

You have to draw the line somewhere or you get into what Coaok was saying: you steal, therefor is everything illegal OK to you?

Edit: I also use comcap as my provider. They give you a lot for what you pay compared to other services like DSL. The speeds blow DSL out of the water. Its not a lot to budget considering all the free stuff you can get on the net (legally and illegally) these days...

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

I'm not infecting other people's computers with backdoor software for my own greedy purposes. Pretty simple.

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But you'll sit there and download music and software that others pay hundreds of dollars for?

what kind of greedy monster are you!!!

Some weak ass arguments dude.

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Originally Posted by o__O

Some weak ass arguments dude.

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The points I was making earlier is, if you use comcast and download torrents... You are technically stealing your neighbors bandwidth, that use comcast as their isp.

geez, just mod your modem and get it over with. That way, unsuspecting customers dont get shafted.