Re: Do you still care about 9/11?
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Originally Posted by
IdolEyes787
Politics not aside it still doesn't compare to the largely unnecessary bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or for that matter Dresden.
The A-bomb was tactically a good decision, simply because it simply lessened the casualties American forces (not including allied forces) would have suffered had a ground assault been used. Also, the nightly firebombing of Japanese provinces is nothing short of horrific and in my opinion is more morally unjust than the devastating affect of the A-bombs. Undoubtedly, there use also ended the conflict. At the end of the day it's a moral debate which I can understand.
9/11 is still important, though like anything else the bludgeoning we get from the media defuses the impact of it. Also it probably helps because I'm Canadian though it honestly irks me when people talk about how they were affected by the tragedy just by being alive at the time. I'm sorry but if you think you have the right to have grief while having suffered no lose in the tragedy, you just have sympathy pains. To those who have suffered a lose in the horrific tragedy you have my empathy. To those that haven't you have my disgust.
Re: Do you still care about 9/11?
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Originally Posted by
rejectOfAllah
Well if we're doing anything goes and having fun with people being murdered, someone should add this.
At 2:12 you can actually here the guy die.
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Very poignant comment, reject. I didn't watch the video, but I remember it happening live on television.
I believe one of the effects of humor is to ease the pain of events that evoke other emotions, ones we don't want to have. There is something healing in being able to laugh, instead of being stuck with grief/anger/resentment/fear/revenge/rage...
NTL, it is very sobering when we do, once again, look at the situation we want to forget. I do thank you for your post.
Re: Do you still care about 9/11?
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Originally Posted by
megabyteme
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I believe one of the effects of humor is to ease the pain of events that evoke other emotions, ones we don't want to have. There is something healing in being able to laugh, instead of being stuck with grief/anger/resentment/fear/revenge/rage...
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Absolutely... and I support the right of anyone who is a big enough to actually listen to a man who is about to make the journey... joke about New Yorkers doing 110 stories in 10 seconds.
It doesn't seem like very much to ask tbh... that those who want to make such jokes, should have the bollocks to face upto that which they want to make fun of.
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I'm jumping in, then jumping right back out of this thread.
I sincerely did not care about 9/11. I was on campus when it was happening with all the TVs and literally everyone stopped in their tracks watching it. I looked and thought, "Oh a plane crashed into the twin towers. Oh another one. Hmm, I was there last year. I hope classes are cancelled, I want to go get something to eat". I still don't really care about it, there's shit like this happening all around the world. The U.S. isn't a special exception.
It's lunacy how each of these events gets special dedication, like they were some major accomplishment (e.g. day of independence).
So, just throwing that out there in case anyone didn't hate me enough already.
Osama bin Laden's nephew comes home crying one day from school. Osama, who happened to be there asks him what's wrong. He said, "the teacher asked what's the tallest "tower" in the world, and I said the Eiffel tower. Then the teacher said I was wrong and everyone started laughing at me. She said it's the Twin Towers". Osama looked at his nephew and said, "don't worry, I'll fix that."
(possibly riddled with inaccuracies).
Re: Do you still care about 9/11?
In answer to your original posit, MegaByteMe, I think that the attack is overhyped by the media, but I think that there needs to be the outpouring and the anger to justify so many of the things that America is doing (and has done) in response to the attacks. There is a long list of moral wrongs including the sidelining of the Geneva Convention (in the case of the Guatanamo Bay detainee's they are simply given a classification outside of the Geneva Convention), Abu Ghraib and the other tortures of Iraqi/Afghani prisoners which are filtering back from the wars, and the simple fact that 10 years later the U.S. is still an occupying force in foreign lands.
I understand the Geopolitical reasons for staying as an occupying force in Iraq, that with how destabilised the country there is politically the vacuum that would bring in counter-revolutionary forces (i.e. Iran) who are not politically aligned with the U.S. or it's economic aims, but now that Afghanistan's infrastructure has been blasted back into the 19th century, while the Al Qaeda was happily hiding in Pakistan ( a country friendly to the U.S.) isn't it time to leave ?
Also in the case of Iraq, who destabilised the country ? for what real (not imagined intel related) reason. When the occupying forces took over Iraq they completely dismantled the government infrastructure, and have tried to force their version of a political vision on the people. Has this ever worked in history ? Has an invading force ever won the hearts and minds of those who are invaded ?
I see the level of media fervor about the attacks as a way to whip up support for some deeply unpopular foreign policies which amount to the same kind of colonialism which America has accused the European nations of for the last two centuries, but is the worse for the U.S. since they believe they have some moral high ground, while continuing to oppress other nations.
Re: Do you still care about 9/11?
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Originally Posted by
rejectOfAllah
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Originally Posted by
megabyteme
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I believe one of the effects of humor is to ease the pain of events that evoke other emotions, ones we don't want to have. There is something healing in being able to laugh, instead of being stuck with grief/anger/resentment/fear/revenge/rage......
Absolutely... and I support the right of anyone who is a big enough to actually listen to a man who is about to make the journey... joke about New Yorkers doing 110 stories in 10 seconds.
It doesn't seem like very much to ask tbh... that those who want to make such jokes, should have the bollocks to face upto that which they want to make fun of.
Yeah, yeah. We are all evil for making jokes about tragedies, or different gender, race, nationality, handicap, deformity, etc. It isn't about bravery, and confrontation, it's about having a laugh. Dark humor is no more hideous than horror movies depicting harm done to individuals.
It would be easy to take the high-ground on this. I know. "Just don't do it, man. That's wrong!" Yeah, not going to happen anytime soon no matter how hard the politically correct movement gets.
And, seriously, you are criticizing dark humor with a screen name of, "rejectOfAllah". No, you'd NEVER want to offend anyone, would you? :lol:
NTL, your argument is a good, yet easily safe one. And was a worthwhile attempt to get people thinking about the true horror of the actual event. Keep posting like that, and some of us may think you are of some value around here. :D
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Criticising! Me! Never, just pointing out what it is your all having fun with.
Re: Do you still care about 9/11?
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Originally Posted by
WHiKWiRE
Why are New Yorkers the fastest readers?
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Show
They can go through 110 stories in 10 seconds
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Originally Posted by
Something Else
The A-bomb was tactically a good decision, simply because it simply lessened the casualties American forces (not including allied forces) would have suffered had a ground assault been used. Also, the nightly firebombing of Japanese provinces is nothing short of horrific and in my opinion is more morally unjust than the devastating affect of the A-bombs. Undoubtedly, there use also ended the conflict. At the end of the day it's a moral debate which I can understand.
And lets not forget it was 3 days after the first A-bomb that the second was deployed. If you consider the unconditional surrender of the Japanese to be essential then it was absolutely the right tactical decision. I'm not about to second guess America on this. The Japanese knew what they were getting into and this was a time when people had a lot fewer scruples regarding international conflict and politics than we do now.
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Well that's new, a touch of dyslexia with our quoted sources Squeamous ?
Re: Do you still care about 9/11?
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whatcdfan
no offense you fucking moron.
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That made me laugh so much my eyes bled :happy:
