i have a question.
When neo etc are plugged back into the matrix from the ship what happens if they need a piss? surely they would just piss themselves whilst on the ship unconciously! HA 'The One' wearing a nappy! :D :D
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i have a question.
When neo etc are plugged back into the matrix from the ship what happens if they need a piss? surely they would just piss themselves whilst on the ship unconciously! HA 'The One' wearing a nappy! :D :D
Yeh lol I think they would prolly take a piss or shit in the matrix, but in the real world while they are asleep I dont think pee or shit would come out because in reality they really are not doing either.. See what I am saying?? Same, with wen they eat.. You dont see them chewing or burping while they are sleeping.. lolQuote:
Originally posted by Longdong@18 May 2003 - 21:02
i have a question.
When neo etc are plugged back into the matrix from the ship what happens if they need a piss? surely they would just piss themselves whilst on the ship unconciously! HA 'The One' wearing a nappy! :D :D
Did anyone notice smith never used a gun?
Do you think Neo will find a use for Smith's ear piece?
What's with Neo's attitude towards the boy?
Actually when the group of Agent Smith's are in the hallway fighting Neo and Morpheus he does use a gun....or really all of him do. Remember they end up killing the keymaker? As for Neo's attitude towards the boy...well I dont think he hates him or anything, its just hes a kid...and hes annoying. How would you like it if some kid was pestering you all the time?Quote:
Did anyone notice smith never used a gun? What's with Neo's attitude towards the boy?
was anyone else kinda grossed out with the neo and trinity sex scene. it's definutely not my fantasy to see people with holes in thier backs and arms going at it.
LOL...yeah those holes were a little unnerving, but more so than being disturbed by it I was annoyed. Some folks made the argument that the sex scene/rave were needed to show how humans could rejoice , something the machines could never do. But...did it have to be so long? I mean that thing went on 4-EVER! :angry:
how did the oracle and the creator of the matrix know that he was dreaming about trinity if he was supposed to be in the real world
As said above they did use guns. They killed the keymaker.Quote:
Originally posted by scruge@18 May 2003 - 20:30
Did anyone notice smith never used a gun?
Do you think Neo will find a use for Smith's ear piece?
What's with Neo's attitude towards the boy?
No, the ear piece was just to show Neo that he's out of the system and not following whoevers orders anymore.
The kid is just some kid Neo pulled out of the Matrix, he probably just annoys Neo a little bit but I don't think it's a huge deal.
I've just started thinking...
In the first Matrix (movie), when Cypher was meeting with Smith in the Matrix and eating (steak was it?), how did Cypher get out of the Matrix? Wouldn't Tank or Dozer have noticed that Cypher was in the Matrix, let alone talking to Smith?
Because they know about him. They're extremely smart machines.Quote:
Originally posted by BLMS@18 May 2003 - 22:26
how did the oracle and the creator of the matrix know that he was dreaming about trinity if he was supposed to be in the real world
...Maybe hes not in the real world :unsure: [looks around nervously] Or maybe when someone hooks up to the Matrix their thoughts are somehow downloaded. Oh I know that Phesperone (sp?) can read minds, thoughts, desires, etc. just by kissing someone. So who knows, Im sure that'll be explained in the next one.Quote:
how did the oracle and the creator of the matrix know that he was dreaming about trinity if he was supposed to be in the real world
what did the spoon symbolize? in the first one it symbolized something thats part of the matrix and isn't real? how could it also be in zion unless it was a different spoon or maybe it further confirms the theory zion is a double matrix
Jeese, don't overthink this. The kid in the original matrix who bent the spoon was a real human. He was in zion and just decided to send it to Neo for good luck.Quote:
Originally posted by BLMS@18 May 2003 - 22:36
what did the spoon symbolize? in the first one it symbolized something thats part of the matrix and isn't real? how could it also be in zion unless it was a different spoon or maybe it further confirms the theory zion is a double matrix
the spoon was a sign from that kid you showed that it did not exsist in the matrix.
It was not the same spoon because it was very roughly made.
And it is an intersting point about being able to read his thoughs. if he was in the matrix in zion they would know exactly what they are all up to. :ph34r:
the machines would be very jeolous that they could not have a rave like that. :D
ROFL...LOL...Just the thought of machines being 'jealous'. LOL...that just cracks me up. On a more serious note, its interesting that all the machines lack any type of emotion (except for the rogue programs) oh and Agent Smith who is a rogue now, but even in the first Matrix...he was ...well a bit out there,Quote:
the machines would be very jeolous that they could not have a rave like that.
. Oh well just thought I decided to throw in.Quote:
I hate this place. This zoo. This prison. This reality, whatever you want to call it, I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink and every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it.
Watch the animatrix shorts, then you will see where the kid came from... he was in one of those, and they tied him in to the movie...Quote:
Originally posted by scruge@18 May 2003 - 15:30
What's with Neo's attitude towards the boy?
yeah that was a nice short films, surely explained alot for me.
*off topic*
i saw two animatrix, one 1G and the other one is 4G, whats the difference? (besides the size duh lol)
more films included in the other? information? new stuff?
i just watched it again, I couldn't figure out the part when they first returned to Zion why the control room that let them in was all super white and modern, but Zion was a piss hole of a place. The people were dirty and using torches and all the hover craft looked like they were falling apart from rust.
Another part was when Neo enters the white room and the monitors zoom out from what looked like a solar system. Could the white room have been aboard a space craft? Remember the keymaker comments the floor Neo needs to go to can not be reached by stair or elevator, maybe he had to be teleported?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :P
If you watch right before they cut to that nice white "control" room, you will see those people that were in the "control" room were plugged into a Construct. (like the training programs except this one made to control Zion) It would make sense to control Zion from a construct like that to save on resources, and allow for better control.Quote:
Originally posted by scruge@19 May 2003 - 02:03
i just watched it again, I couldn't figure out the part when they first returned to Zion why the control room that let them in was all super white and modern, but Zion was a piss hole of a place. The people were dirty and using torches and all the hover craft looked like they were falling apart from rust.
**Edit**
Changed my wording a little
thanks on the control room explanation. I gather your saying that was an automated attendant? Pretty fancy hardware the attendants have verses what the hover craft are equipped with
How about the meeting with the architect. If you watch very closely it looks like Neo is being transported to another planet or ship as he enters the room. I watched it again frame by frame and it is definitely a pan out from a solar system as he passes through the door.
does any one know the real movie on kazaa i watched the movie already i just wanted to see it again i fell asleep ike in da middle cause i watched it at 12:00 midnight but i dont get the ending!!!
read my first post... this is NOT the place for file requests, etc... there are like, 3-4 different versions listed in the verifieds at the moment, go look there...Quote:
Originally posted by AznRocky@18 May 2003 - 23:03
does any one know the real movie on kazaa i watched the movie already i just wanted to see it again i fell asleep ike in da middle cause i watched it at 12:00 midnight but i dont get the ending!!!
Lunatics, get the svcd version of the animatrix, its the best imho.
any how, some new comments on my part, btw, thread looks great, keep up the good chat.
1. after watching it again, i did notice that whole space pan out... i wonder that was all about... like he went from point a) earth in the matrix to point B) the architects room, via space or some shit, very interesting.
2. more and more, when neo comes out of the matrix, the "this feels different" is sticking in my head... for some reason, that is key... maybe just from that point on they are in a matrix within a matrix...???... ie, they think they left, but the machines, knowing neos choice, tricked them into thinking they were out? because as i said ealier, we never see them "leave", and that would also explain his control of the machines
wha :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:
well anyways ya know how neo is like in the hospital thingy and that other dude is there what does that mean?
hold on. i want to go over these unexpected abilities of smith and neo.
Neo:
1. Can See into the future (he see's trinity die in his dreams and it accually comes true.
2. Neo can now sense smith. (Neo can't necessarily sense agents. But he can sense smith. That's some kind of connection between the two.
3. He can stop the sentinenals.
Smith:
1. He can now duplicate himself. (Not really sure how he's now doing this. Thinking maybe he got the ability from Neo when he jumped into Smith in the first movie and blew him up.)
2. He can now enter the real world from the Matrix with people he has duplicated himself with.
3. He can switch bodies from Smith to the person he has taken over or duplicated himself with. (I know this because he duplicated the dude with the goatee and now in the real world he is the goatee person. That tells me he can switch between the two now.
Is all of this correct?
Yup, that about wraps it up oh...also, Neo can not only stop the sentinels, but he can sense them also.
hey all. this is my 1st post in this board. Well, never notice thats so much matrix lover around. Anyway some thoughts on the movie.
1) Can we explain matrix in this form:
Source - Bios
Matrix - OS
Neo & Gangs - Virus
Agents - Anti-Virus
Oracle / French Guy - Important Background programs
Smiths - Corrupted / Infected program
2) Who are those protectors (the twins - french guy, gangfu guy - oracle)? Their abilities are almost on par with neo. If they are programs, why agents are not coded in such ways (in first part of movie, neo did mentioned the upgraded version of agents. IMHO hardly any improvement compared to these protectors)? Is it because of balancing (cause unbalance or disturbance when too-powerful agents in work or fighting neo)? Or the added power came at a cost of independent thoughts (eg, smiths)?
3) I'd a interest in Lost Civilisation stuff, and the concept of Zions being destroyed and rebuilded come too close to certain myths, like what mentioned in Maya history, our current era is the fifth civilisation, there are previous 4 b4 us, all being destroyed due to many reasons, but nevertheless, all are at its civilisation peak.
4) The architect mentioned neo is a flaw in programming, and dispite his best effort, could not remedy the fault (cant remember his exact speech). Then he go on to explain theres previous 5 The One (some major bug in the matrix, same problem occur 6 times dispite its 6th upgrade, sort of remind me Microsoft Window). He add on to say about its pre-determine (I'm no sure about this part) that The One will come to the Source to make a Choice, pre-determine as in the triggering event must occur - the immediate danger of Zions being exterminated (happens 5 times b4). The One who had the code in him/her will decide to shut down the matrix and choose to rebuild Zions with xx men & xx women (forget the numbers) OR chose to let human race extinct by ??? (forget the method he said, is it by not doing anything?). OK, problems I cant figure out:
a. What code (in The One) is he referring to? I'm thinking is it a code to cause matrix to reboot (eg Ctrl + Alt + Del)? Is this the ultimate weapon The One posses?
b. He mentioned Zions had been destroyed 5 times, and they are becoming very good at it. So, why not destroyed it during its rebuild period, why let it develop into a city that pose as a threat to matrix? Are there a secret pact made by The One and the source (let the city reach a population size of 42 b4 u take any action. Note I'm a fan of Civilisation series)? Or Zions is a key triggering event to bring all The One to the source?
c. Whats with the xx men & xx women Neo can choose to rebuild Zions. Who decide the numbers? Neo? Apparently not. Architect? Yes to a certain sense as he bring out the number. Whats with these numbers (I'm also into NASA conspiracy about MARs, secret numbers like 19.5 or 33.3 pose significant to certain people or organisation)? So how is these people being chosen? From the survivers of Zions (say matrix purposely spare these people, who may be selected by neo, during their attack on Zions) OR from the huge pool of unplugged human in matrix? Btw, does all these sound like project Ark?
d. Lets assume the above holds a certain truth, ie The One is pre-determiine to meet with source. Now, a very important role, the key maker must exist. Why agents deem its top priority to 'delete' him during the car/motorcycle chase scene? Why the matrix issue such order? To thicken the plot, or as another way to hasten the pace of the meeting?
Theres so much to talk about matrix, but I really like to hear others opinions b4 raising other questions.
great post, i look forward to replying and chatting on it tommorrow, when im not falling asleep! :D
ill get to it thought, night for now.
The more that i thought about it the more it would seem that the smiths and Neo share something that unite the 2. If you noticed that the other smith was the only 1 to survive that attck would tell you that he had the same power that neo has outside the matrix, that he had to use it to save himelf and also went into a coma . I doubt that the matrix woulda spared him seeing that he is screwing up the matrix a bit by coping himself. Who knows maybe the smith was also one point in time" the one" or a version of it. The agents are what "the one" was. As in the first movie she says, wow how did you do that you move jus like they do.
Hey welcome to the board ZLOsiris. Good point about Smith possibly being a 'One'. Thats a very fresh idea. We'll find out come Nov. oh and tyk ...wow man...did you enter this forum with a bang. Damn...I want to comment on your post...but i dont know where to begin...Ill have to think about it :)
Just saw it for the second time and had some thoughts about what the architect said.
He mentioned that they have destroyed Zion before and are very good at it. This made me think,
if theydestroyed Zion in real-life then there would be no threat. But lets say Zion is in fact not a real world.
Could it be a Matrix? The Architect says they are testing their reactions, in a way. Perhaps they want
to see how the people will react if they ever found out they where in a Matrix. The "Zion reality"
could give them a way to test how they react. If this where true that would explain a lot of what the Architect said.
Neo did sense the machines in the "Zion reality" and destroyed them. This suggests he is becoming aware that
he is in another virtual reality. I mean he never knew that he was in the Matrix in the first movie, why would he think he
was in another when he got out.
Of course there might only be one Matrix and The Architect was lying to try to protect his Matrix. It does make sense.
Why would he say " Well looks like you beat us" and let Neo destroy the Matrix. Then again maybe the machines have destroyed a
real world Zion and rebuilt it again. But that seems more far fetch sense it would be easier to make a Virtual Reality
and test them that way instead of using a real world. Man I hope the last movie can make some sense of all this.
What do you all think?
ok this is how I gather it, first off about smith> smith is now a rogue program or virus(whatever you wanna call him) when neo destroyed him in the first matrix he didn't really destroy him but some how made him an anomoly and transfered unintentionally his programing or essence on to smith which is why they can sense each other. he says it to neo when they meet at the park after the meeting with the the ORACLE.
as for the french guy in the hotel> he is a old but rogue program from the earlier matrix, don't forget neo is dealing with sentient AI programs so when they have revelations about something for ex. "AWARENESS" they have a choice and to either stay with the program or not. when the oracle explains that when a program is due for termination he chooses to stay alive and then goes into hiding and becomes a rogue program or an anomily as the architect calls them.
now remember when the architect mentions there is a mother and a father of the matrix and neo says its the oracle that is the "mother" of the matrix and the architect scoffs at neo? what I think is that neo is the father and "TRINITY" is the mother. of course I could be grasping for straws but thats what I'm assuming. and thats why they are destined to fall in love. remember in the first matrix when neo gets shot and trinity tells neo that the oracle told her that she would fall in love with "the one" and that they were destined to be together? maybe thats why, cuzz she's the "mother" and neo is the "father" of the matrix.
the one thing (of several) that bothers me is how smith is able to survive out of the matrix in the guys body, I'm still trying to figure that one out. :unsure:
someone said agent smith got something from neo when neo killed smith in the last movie, does that mean neo can duplicate himself also ? . and also, someone said that guy with the goatee is agent smith ?, how did you get that idea ?. :blink: .... maybe the reason agent smith can survive in the matrix and the real world is because, like maybe hes a virus that can survive in any OS, think of the matrix and the real world as os's.. or somthing.. all this talk is making me mental! WAHHHHHHHHHHH :blink: .. oh and doesnt the architect dude say that *BLABHAHBLAHBLAHBL therefore i must be the father* .. so isnt he that father of da matrix ?
"the body cannot survive without the mind" - matrix one: morpheus to neoQuote:
Originally posted by be_man31@19 May 2003 - 01:40
the one thing (of several) that bothers me is how smith is able to survive out of the matrix in the guys body, I'm still trying to figure that one out. :unsure:
thats why i think... in the matrix, smith is able to take over the body/mind of the goatee guy... thus... the guys brain now thinks hes smith, because his mind was infected, and overtaken by smith... so now outside of the matrix, the goatee guy is in essence, smith, mentally, etc. What happens to the body inside the matrix, the brain thinks is real, and acts accordingly.
the architect is the father, plain and simple, he says that.Quote:
Originally posted by huuramis@19 May 2003 - 02:04
someone said agent smith got something from neo when neo killed smith in the last movie, does that mean neo can duplicate himself also ? . and also, someone said that guy with the goatee is agent smith ?, how did you get that idea ?. :blink: .... maybe the reason agent smith can survive in the matrix and the real world is because, like maybe hes a virus that can survive in any OS, think of the matrix and the real world as os's.. or somthing.. all this talk is making me mental! WAHHHHHHHHHHH :blink: .. oh and doesnt the architect dude say that *BLABHAHBLAHBLAHBL therefore i must be the father* .. so isnt he that father of da matrix ?
the goatee guy, in neos dream, or foreshadowed vision, hard to tell what it was... was over taken by smith, and infected by him, in that one small, seemingly insignificant scene... and, cut himself, when the crew was off to leave zion, as he went out to meet neo, cut himself, to see if he really was human, i presume
its smith, dont worry that it isnt, it is, thats the big twist... the question is why, and how exactly...
The goatee guy should've been dead, bu he turned out to be the only survivor and behold, it's Smith. They had his coming. I think I'll enjoy a film as it is, no use talking about it so much...nice film with good graphics.
Matrix Revolutions may turn out to be really crap if you go on critiquing, thinking that someone on this board proposed a much more interesting theory than the wachoski brothers did.
i didnt even like matrx 2 that much. i thought x-men 2 was more fun to watch. and more intersting.
the artichtect says he is the father and then scoffs when neo calls the mother of the matrix the "oracle".Quote:
remember when the architect mentions there is a mother and a father of the matrix and neo says its the oracle that is the "mother" of the matrix and the architect scoffs at neo? what I think is that neo is the father and "TRINITY" is the mother. of course I could be grasping for straws but thats what I'm assuming. and thats why they are destined to fall in love. remember in the first matrix when neo gets shot and trinity tells neo that the oracle told her that she would fall in love with "the one" and that they were destined to be together? maybe thats why, cuzz she's the "mother" and neo is the "father" of the matrix.
that is obviously not her name to him.
all i gotta say after seeing this over the weekend is DAMN!! it was totally bad ass in every way but i see i wasnt the only one who was a bit confused. and i cant believe i missed the revolutions trailer. but i think i dl'd it from another thread so i hope it's the same one!!
i think revolutions is gonna finally answer all these questions, at least we can hope it does.
ok, juz realized.......how did Smith(s) enter the backdoor without the help of the keymaker?
A normal agent cant do that, even if he was freed..............