CBB racism row

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Originally Posted by manker

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

bump :mellow:

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It isn't just being a cunt.

It's either because you actually believe the slurs and are racist (so you're a racist cunt) or you don't believe in the racial slurs that are coming out of your mouth so you want someone to believe you're racist - in effect, you're pretending to be racist ... which doesn't even bring you up to the level of being a cunt, it's just pathetic.

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so what you're saying is... if i call a south asian person a paki. i either mean i believe them to be a paki, or i'm putting on an act?

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Originally Posted by CrabGirl

@ manker.

Fucking right. I now feel the Internet is truly interactive. If we ask, do you think he'll destroy more household objects with our method of choice?

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That would be such a quality thread.

In fact, this double destruction of a ghostbusters tea-towel and TV combo deserves a thread of its own.

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Originally Posted by manker

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

Are you suggesting that no malice was intended.

In any case, I go with the rights of the victim being more important than the rights of the abuser. That's just me but.

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I'm not talking about Jade Goodey in Celebrity Big Brother, I don't know what she said cos I don't watch it. She was an example of a stupid person.

I'm saying that if a stupid person offends someone with a racist comment, that the stupid person didn't know was an offensive racist comment, that they should be forgiven for it if they are truly remorseful and don't ever do it again.

As a general rule of goodness, like.

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Sorry, I was being a bit "real World" there (true story), I just don't see your scenario being that likely. I know I got a bit "busy" with that. If it were to be the case then I wholeheartedly agree.

My experience is more of the "Hoi Orange Chaps, do you realise that your marches are deeply offensive to other members of the society in which you live?" "So what, my father and his father before him did it and I like the music. I'm not sectarian btw, some of my best friends are ....".

A destroy your household objects thread...

Do it. Please.

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Originally Posted by manker

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Originally Posted by Buffalo

:fixed:
http://www.sheringhamsurf.com/fst/buster2a.JPG
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http://www.sheringhamsurf.com/fst/buster1a.JPG

No more BBC or CBB

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You're defo my favourite mentalist on FST now, baz :happy:

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Hoi, did you vote in the poll.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

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Originally Posted by manker

It isn't just being a cunt.

It's either because you actually believe the slurs and are racist (so you're a racist cunt) or you don't believe in the racial slurs that are coming out of your mouth so you want someone to believe you're racist - in effect, you're pretending to be racist ... which doesn't even bring you up to the level of being a cunt, it's just pathetic.

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so what you're saying is... if i call a south asian person a paki. i either mean i believe them to be a paki, or i'm putting on an act?

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You could just be taking a wild stab at their country of origin, I suppose :unsure:

I don't see your point - do you think Paki is an offensive term or something?

Spose it might be to some people - depending on the context. I've always considered it to be short for Pakistani. Like Scotch is for Scottish or whatever.

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Originally Posted by manker

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

so what you're saying is... if i call a south asian person a paki. i either mean i believe them to be a paki, or i'm putting on an act?

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You could just be taking a wild stab at their country of origin, I suppose :unsure:

I don't see your point - do you think Paki is an offensive term or something?

Spose it might be to some people - depending on the context. I've always considered it to be short for Pakistani. Like Scotch is for Scottish or whatever.

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Same here, but apparently "Paki" is racialist whereas "Brit" isn't:unsure:

Because Paki is generally a derogatory term used in a derogatory manner since they first came over here smelling of onions and took our jobs, homes and women.

So is gypsy.
cross-thread pwnage ftw.

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

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Originally Posted by manker

I'm not talking about Jade Goodey in Celebrity Big Brother, I don't know what she said cos I don't watch it. She was an example of a stupid person.

I'm saying that if a stupid person offends someone with a racist comment, that the stupid person didn't know was an offensive racist comment, that they should be forgiven for it if they are truly remorseful and don't ever do it again.

As a general rule of goodness, like.

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Sorry, I was being a bit "real World" there (true story), I just don't see your scenario being that likely. If it were to be the case then I wholeheartedly agree. I know I got a bit "busy" with that.

My experience is more of the "Hoi Orange Chaps, do you realise that your marches are deeply offensive to other members of the society in which you live?" "So what, my father and his father before him did it and I like the music. I'm not sectarian btw, some of my best friends are ....".

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My made-up scenario was pish at best :D

I thought as soon as I'd posted it that I should have used a more obscure term - like Hispanics calling each other ese or something.




Edit: I don't even know if that's offensive enough if a white person said it to a Mexican.

No, Bo. My family does have some Gypsy ancestry, who were proud to be Gypsys. I called myself a Gypsy. Did you really think I was being racist to myself. God I'm such a Greasy Racist.

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Originally Posted by manker

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

so what you're saying is... if i call a south asian person a paki. i either mean i believe them to be a paki, or i'm putting on an act?

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You could just be taking a wild stab at their country of origin, I suppose :unsure:

I don't see your point - do you think Paki is an offensive term or something?

Spose it might be to some people - depending on the context. I've always considered it to be short for Pakistani. Like Scotch is for Scottish or whatever.

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k, sure. nice effort. ;)


where i come from (the UK) it's derogatory.

forgetting it's origins here. it's a "racial slur" but it means essentially nothing. if i did say it to someone i would likely get smacked because it's a racial slur. however, it shows no prejudice. which makes your answer to my post meaningless

Gypsy is not a race is it?

and i asked a muslim once if the word pakki was racist and she said it was very offensive to her, her parents were from pakistan, i tried to argue with her about it but i lost.

True court story.

Witness 1 - I was in the Paki shop at the time.

Judge - Don't you ever use a term like that again, it's disgraceful.

Witness 2 - I was on my way to the Paki's on the corner.

Judge - How dare you use a description like that. Do not do it again.

Witness 3 - I saw him at the Paki shop up the road.

Judge - I am appaled by this behaviour, the next person to speak in this manner will be in serious trouble.

Witness 4 - I own the Paki shop on High Street.

True (paraphrased) story.

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Originally Posted by CrabGirl

No, Bo. My family does have some Gypsy ancestry, who were proud to be Gypsys. I called myself a Gypsy. Did you really think I was being racist to myself. God I'm such a Greasy Racist.

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My family may well have some English ancestory (I fucking hope not) but if it did, that doesn't mean I'm not being racist when I call the English rugby team, and their supporters at the stadium, a bunch of inbred, public school cunts.

'cos I'm trying my fucking hardest to be.

Well according to what I was taught back in the day, gypsy is a bit of a racialist term but if it's okay for you to use it, then it's okay for anyone, gypsy or not.

Same with busy's use of the word "nigger", if he can say it, so can I. If I'm not allowed cause i'm not black, then that's racialism right there.

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Originally Posted by manker

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Originally Posted by CrabGirl

No, Bo. My family does have some Gypsy ancestry, who were proud to be Gypsys. I called myself a Gypsy. Did you really think I was being racist to myself. God I'm such a Greasy Racist.

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My family may well have some English ancestory (I fucking hope not) but if it did, that doesn't mean I'm not being racist when I call the English rugby team, and their supporters at the stadium, a bunch of inbred, public school cunts.

'cos I'm trying my fucking hardest to be.

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Just because you're being racist doesn't mean you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

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Originally Posted by manker

You could just be taking a wild stab at their country of origin, I suppose :unsure:

I don't see your point - do you think Paki is an offensive term or something?

Spose it might be to some people - depending on the context. I've always considered it to be short for Pakistani. Like Scotch is for Scottish or whatever.

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k, sure. nice effort. ;)


where i come from (the UK) it's derogatory.

forgetting it's origins here. it's a "racial slur" but it means essentially nothing. if i did say it to someone i would likely get smacked because it's a racial slur. however, it shows no prejudice. which makes your answer to my post meaningless

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Okay, so it is a racist slur, you know it's a racist slur and so does your intended target.

If you meant it as pre-judging him with whatever negative preconceptions that word conjures up for you then that's being racist. If you didn't mean it then you're pretending to pre-judge him with whatever negative preconceptions that word conjures up for you. Which is pathetic.

Which is exactly what I wrote in my first reply -- I just wanted to get it clear if you considered the term 'Paki' as racially offensive.

british have been racist for donkeys years, the problem wont just dissappear overnight.

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

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Originally Posted by manker

My family may well have some English ancestory (I fucking hope not) but if it did, that doesn't mean I'm not being racist when I call the English rugby team, and their supporters at the stadium, a bunch of inbred, public school cunts.

'cos I'm trying my fucking hardest to be.

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Just because you're being racist doesn't mean you are wrong.

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:sage: :smilie4:

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

Well according to what I was taught back in the day, gypsy is a bit of a racialist term but if it's okay for you to use it, then it's okay for anyone, gypsy or not.

Same with busy's use of the word "nigger", if he can say it, so can I. If I'm not allowed cause i'm not black, then that's racialism right there.

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My ancesters were Gypsies. Its like manker saying he's Welsh. It's what we are.

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Originally Posted by CrabGirl

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

Well according to what I was taught back in the day, gypsy is a bit of a racialist term but if it's okay for you to use it, then it's okay for anyone, gypsy or not.

Same with busy's use of the word "nigger", if he can say it, so can I. If I'm not allowed cause i'm not black, then that's racialism right there.

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My ancesters were Gypsies. Its like manker saying he's Welsh. It's what we are.

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no need for name calling, manker didn't do owt!:O

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Originally Posted by manker

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

k, sure. nice effort. ;)


where i come from (the UK) it's derogatory.

forgetting it's origins here. it's a "racial slur" but it means essentially nothing. if i did say it to someone i would likely get smacked because it's a racial slur. however, it shows no prejudice. which makes your answer to my post meaningless

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Okay, so it is a racist slur, you know it's a racist slur and so does your intended target.

If you meant it as pre-judging him with whatever negative preconceptions that word conjures up for you then that's being racist. If you didn't mean it then you're pretending to pre-judge him with whatever negative preconceptions that word conjures up for you. Which is pathetic.

Which is exactly what I wrote in my first reply -- I just wanted to get it clear if you considered the term 'Paki' as racially offensive.

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i disagree. it means nothing to me but people that look a certain way. i know it to be offensive though. even when i was little and used to use it in everyday conversation it meant nothing more than people who look a certain way.

i don't know why you're trying to blur the line between racist and racial :dabs:

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

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Originally Posted by manker

Okay, so it is a racist slur, you know it's a racist slur and so does your intended target.

If you meant it as pre-judging him with whatever negative preconceptions that word conjures up for you then that's being racist. If you didn't mean it then you're pretending to pre-judge him with whatever negative preconceptions that word conjures up for you. Which is pathetic.

Which is exactly what I wrote in my first reply -- I just wanted to get it clear if you considered the term 'Paki' as racially offensive.

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i disagree. it means nothing to me but people that look a certain way. i know it to be offensive though. even when i was little and used to use it in everyday conversation it meant nothing more than people who look a certain way.

i don't know why you're trying to blur the line between racist and racial :dabs:

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Your initial point, which I disagreed with, centered on hurling racial slurs at someone you hate. Which you said was just being a cunt.

I said that it's not just being a cunt, it's more than that - and I'm quite obviously right.

I know the difference between racial and racist, doesn't everyone, but that really isn't what you're talking about when you mention using racial slurs against someone you hate.

So to come to a conclusion;

Manker is a sheep shagging Welshman
Crabgirl is a greasy inbred gypsy
Baz is telly-burning white trash
JPaul and Gep are dirty wee Jocks


And I'm a sophisticated European


Case closed

:O Racist Belgians!


Daveish is far from Scottish.

The word Pakistan was created in 1933 by Rahmat Ali Chaudhry, a Cambridge law student, to refer to the independence movement that existed prior to the British decolonisation project of ex-London law students. It derives from the Urdu words for "pure country". However, the abbreviation Paki acquired offensive connotations in the 1960s when used by British tabloids to refer to decolonisational subjects in a derogotary and racist manner. In modern British usage "Paki" is typically used in a derogatory way as a label for all South Asians, including Indians and Bangladeshis. To a lesser extent, the term has been applied as a racial slur towards Arabs and other Middle Eastern-looking groups. In recent times there has been a trend by second- and third-generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word, such as in the name of the clothing company PAK1 or the independent refugee television news agency paki.tv.

The racist connotations may be confined only to the UK. In Australia, the Pakistani cricket team are commonly referred to as the Pakis, just as the West Indians are known as the Windies.

Gypsy (also gipsey, gypsey, gypsie) is a word (sometimes derogatory) in various languages that most commonly refers to any of the following ethnic groups:

* Roma people, also spelled Rroma, Roms, or Romani, an ethnic group in Southern and Eastern Europe and the Middle East:

Gitanos, also spelled Ciganos, a Roma people in Spain, Portugal, and southern France
Kalderash, the most numerous of the Roma people, from the Balkans, Central Europe, North America
Romnichal, also known as Rom'nies, mainly in Britain and North America
Sinti, also known as Zigeuner or Zingari, a Roma people mostly in Germany, Austria and Italy

* Gypsy people not directly related to the Roma:

Lyuli, an ethnic group in Kyrgyzstan, Central Asia
Irish Travellers, also known as Pavee, a nomadic people living in Ireland, Great Britain, and the United States
Sea Gypsies, different peoples of Southeast Asia
Yeniche (people) of Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, and Belgium.

* Caló (Spanish Romani), a jargon spoken by the Gitanos Roma
* Romani language, the language of the Roma, an Indo-Aryan language not related to the Romanian language
* Shelta language, a language spoken by the Irish Travellers
Right that's that sorted.

The Roma People (singular Rom; sometimes Rroma, Rrom), sometimes called "Romany Folk" in the United Kingdom, often referred to as Gypsies or Gipsies, are a diverse ethnic group who live primarily in Southern and Eastern Europe, Western Asia, Latin America, the United States and the Middle East. They are believed to have originated mostly from the Punjab and Rajasthan regions of India. They began their migration to Europe and North Africa via the Iranian plateau around 1050.[27]

Traditionally most Roma spoke one of several dialects of Romani (Romany), an Indo-Aryan language. Today, however, most Roma speak the dominant language of their region of residence.

They say it's derogatory then I found this, http://www.paki.com/
Now I is confused.

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Originally Posted by Skweeky

So to come to a conclusion;
Baz is telly-burning white trash
And I'm a sophisticated European
Case closed

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There are 4 things I really can't stand, racism, people who can't add up and Belgiums...

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

my comment pwned yours and yours. even barbie agreed, and he's a cunt

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I retract my endorsement of your post. :dabs:

Originally, I thought you may have had a point, and that there was a difference, but after sleeping on it, I've concluded that the only difference is that between racism and racial hatred.

The Sun today has redeemed itself.

A columnist said (of the Jade fiasco) that Channel 4 has been hoist by its own retard - and that Jade's Mum would up up in arm about the whole thing.

Class.

Spoiler: Show

Jade's mam has only got one arm

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

my comment pwned yours and yours. even barbie agreed, and he's a cunt

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I retract my endorsement of your post. :dabs:

Originally, I thought you may have had a point, and that there was a difference, but after sleeping on it, I've concluded that the only difference is that between racism and racial hatred.

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racial hatred is racism. personal attacks are not. a personal racial attack raises questions about racism but in itself it's nothing more than an attempt to hurt one person. hence, not racism

i think it is all over rated
but racism is not a good thing

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Originally Posted by Skweeky

So to come to a conclusion;

Manker is a sheep shagging Welshman
Crabgirl is a greasy inbred gypsy
Baz is telly-burning white trash
JPaul and Gep are dirty wee Jocks


And I'm a sophisticated European


Case closed

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I don't know - you turn your back for 5 minutes and Skweeky is out of her box and jumping on the lid.

Not sure the BB thing is racism because how can three terminally stupid chavettes diss someone who is beautiful, clever and successful? It is a bit like being subject to racial abuse from a goldfish (albeit a goldfish would be more articulate)

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racial hatred is racism.

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Agreed, but racism does not necessarily have to be racial hatred.

By the way, did anyone else notice last night that at the end of the show they didn't give out the phone numbers for who to evict? :blink:

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Not sure the BB thing is racism because how can three terminally stupid chavettes diss someone who is beautiful, clever and successful? It is a bit like being subject to racial abuse from a goldfish (albeit a goldfish would be more articulate)

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Edwina Currie called them "three slags" on Question Time last night :lol:

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Not sure the BB thing is racism because how can three terminally stupid chavettes diss someone who is beautiful, clever and successful? It is a bit like being subject to racial abuse from a goldfish (albeit a goldfish would be more articulate)

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Edwina Currie called them "three slags" on Question Time last night :lol:

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Jade Baddy is slightly overweight but i wouldnt say she was the size of 3 slags :unsure:

the media are fags too. from what little i've seen. jade was personal but the other two were the ones that were saying indians are skinny 'cause they can't cook chicken.