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i don't think we're rating specialty here...
i mean, how many people would trade BitMeTV for rmvbusters? that's right, no one
so it's not fair to put it on equal level with BitMeTV
there is absolutely no demand for it and thus its trading power is almost inexistant
both bitmetv and rmvbusters have the same rarity level,rmvbusters isn't offered that much but if it's offered then anyone who is intereseted in rmvb movies will definietly trade anything to getQuote:
Originally Posted by crossfade
I got an sct for that rmvbusters 2 months ago so for rarity it's the same and that's why also we have another ranking and it's ranked 3.5 in that ranking while bitmetv is ranked 5
may be soon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkz23maybe you will do review to rmvb?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot foreve
You got SCT for rmvbusters at FST? If so, you are right and rmvbusters shouldn't change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot foreve
If it was not at FST however, that argument is useless because the raking your making here is only used by people who trade via this forum.
I mean if someone trades FTN for Bitmetv, at some other p2p site, should the rating of Bitmetv go up at FST? I think no.
i got sct for RMVbusters here at FST :)
:blink: who this guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot foreve
i thought that i the only guy here that offer sct not for u*-*:lol:
Patriot you measure rarity only be supply, not demand.. Have you seen a lot of ppl asking for rmvbusters? And the fact someone would give ScT or I don't know what for it, doesn't make it rare at all.. That's what I also told you about some of the other sites on the thread (like rp...)..
Look at this example : (on a rough estimate..)
BitmeTV has 25000 thousands members and on a rough estimation there should be at least 1000 idle invites maybe a lot more... Yet BitmeTV is not easy to get at all, a lot of people are asking for it lately with really good offers and still not get it.. That's because:
a)The inviters value pretty high their account as the site is awesome
b)The DEMAND (the word you forget) is huge... BitmeTV could easily fill 50000+ members in no time, (as a note,most ppl who have invites there usually give them to real life friends who aren't into invite trading s#$t..)..
And on the other side are sites like RMVBusters and some more, which may have , let's say, I don't know, 1000 users.. and let's say there are 100 idle invites at the moment... How many want to get there? 10?15??? Maybe 30????? I don't think more... That's why no matter the supply , if the demand is not much then there's no rarity..
And again, you have to take into account when measuring rarity not someone who's crazy for an acc over a site would offer, but what ppl on average offer for that site...
Anyway, in the end I really think everyone says his opinion but in the end Buggyme and Patriot do as they please with their thread so every discussion from one point on is kinda pointless... :(
you need to understand one thing
i'll give you two days to get or RP or BitMeTV what do you think you'll get?...
the answer is BitMeTV. that all.
we call this rarity
it dos'nt matter if bitmetv better than rmvb the only thing is matter is the how hard you need to work to get acct in the tracker
how can you measure if a site's rare or not if nobdy wants it (like it's the case with rmvbusters)... this is what moonspell13 (whom I totally agree with btw) means with demandQuote:
Originally Posted by davidkz23
Perhaps you should read more carefully next time ;)
I made a comparison between RMV and BitmeTV not RP, I mentioned RP because I don't think it's worth 4.5 but I DIDN't compare it's rarity to Bitme TV... And on the comparison I made you didn't say a thing :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by davidkz23
Also, why would anybody want Rp or Revolt besides its current high rating in that list??If Rp or Revolt weren't on that list nobody would even care about them..Or if they were mentioned as a 2, again nobody would want them .. Now if anybody gets them is just out of curiosity or getting them to trade them in turn for something better.. But everybody wants a bitmetv on the other hand ;)
I repeat, rarity depends BOTH on DEMAND and Supply, not only on supply, but you can't seem to understand it, or don't want to.. :ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkz23
Now on that rmv and bitmetv I already made it clear, I'm not going to repeat again..Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkz23
As for the pure rarity thing without caring about content, I guess you would just give ScT for a site with 100 users and 50 torrents nobody has just for the rarity.. :naughty: If you did, then sorry man, but you're just the minority... Most ppl are after getting some accs to start with and trade, afterwards they just want sites they use not sites to have bookmarked and say "wow, what a rare site Revolt is with its huge number of 50 torrents"... :whistling:cool:
Problem with this kind of rating system is the list will always be based on the opinions of the creators. Maybe not fully, 'cause FST members have input, but in the end Buggyme en PF decide what's hot and what's not.
For example, I personally value Bitmetv the same as FTN, TT or Oink, even though acocording to WIAW they are in completely different classes.
On the other hand, i couldn't care less about having RP, FB, NB, SweDVDR, Sebits, CO, etc. even though they are rated quite highly according to the creators of the WIAW thread.
What I mean is, when you rate rarity, you indirectly also rate the tracker itself (community, content, etc.).
If this thread only rated trackers according to their rarity, SCT wouldn't be at the top of that list. SCT invites are not that hard to get if you offer the right stuff or meet the right person.
why you compare RP to Revolt:huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonspell13
RP is a good tracker (like NB FB) and ppl offer a lot for him.
Revolt his just a rare forum.
no. price depends BOTH on DEMAND and Supply, not rarity;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonspell13
no. ppl not given sct for revolt because the content is bad on revolt but ppl knows that revolt his rare. its not mean his worth demonoid but his still rare:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonspell13
i agree i'm also trade my revolt because i wasn't use him but revolt still rare:whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by Moonspell13
for example, i hate u*-* there nothing special in his content so its mean i think he is not rare?
just to be clear i say it again
"What invites are worth" mean: how hard you need to work to get invite to the tracker
for example, revolt invite worth more than bitmetv invite (and i also not go give anything for revolt but still the invite to there worth more than bitmetv invite because if i was want invite to there i'll need to work very hard to get one and if i was want bitmetv invite/acct i'll dont need to wark at all)
"What trackers are worth" mean: which trackers better
for example, bitmetv a lot better than revolt
i agree with you that the old thread is not fair (ppl want a lot of good trackers for shit trackers like revolt or u*-*) and because this patriot work on new thread.
you wrong:)Quote:
Originally Posted by crossfade
you right and that what the new thread should to doQuote:
Originally Posted by crossfade
simple, try to get invite to there and tell me if is rare or not;)Quote:
Originally Posted by crossfade
do you know this tracker "e-traktor"? maybe TD worth more but e-traktor rare and TD not rare, that all what the thread want to say which trackers are rare and he dont want to say which tracker better in content or speed or which tacker have most demand
ok, and what is the price? what you want to pay for it, when you pay you trade your money for goodsQuote:
Originally Posted by davidkz23
well here an invite is traded for another invite
so the law of supply and demand is valid here
why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkz23
a creation is always based on the opinion of its creator(s)
sure is valid and because of taht i told already that i dont give anything for revolt but is not valid to say us which tracker rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossfade
yeah but he listen to members here and do change based on their opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by crossfade
I think this is getting nowhere.... You said that I'm talking about price and rarity is another thing ... I just want to remind you that price derives from rarity in real world so those 2 words are highly connected if not similar on most cases..
My opinion is that in its current form , the WIAW list is not serving its purpose.. not at all..
I wanted to write so much but it's gonna end like an essay or something... In the end, I'm sorry to say, but let everyone decide for himself the validity of that list.. I think we are not kids here... I only feel sorry for the usual noob who will come here and get ripped (give his beloved Oink acc just to get that shity site which someone decided it's worth 4)... But in the end everyone is responsible for his actions..
well,if u wanna phrase that right then u should say remove those trackers from the listQuote:
Originally Posted by Moonspell13
and as far as i have seen in our dear members replies and suggestions alot of guys in here wanna more trackers to be added to the list and not to remove some of them
also for example:let's say someone asks about the rank of RMVbusters and what should he offer for it ,should i laugh at him and tell him that RMVBusters is a 2 ,if so he will never get that invite or acc and that's also why we have implented another ranking besides the rarity rank and the other rank is for Content+speed+Pre-Times and that's also why we have colors to specify different trackers and that's also why we have reviews to alot of trackers
also there is Corey's thread which should be very helpful to all members once completed
so all these factors should help any member to decide what he wants and what should he get or it
You are accusing us of rating trackers depending on our desires,i think this is awful and lame of u to think so because if we were as u said i think we wouldn't have made any thread asking for members suggestions and what they think will help to improve the thread and i think also we wouldn't have listened to members in here regarding their notes and edit our rankings depending on the majority of opinionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Moonspell13
We listen to every member opinion and suggestion in the sticky thread and if a majority agree with something then it's changed directly
We don't need to bump any tracker because we already have almost all of them
Also if we weren't taking members opinions about trackers then we wouldn't have edited alot of rankings depending on the majority of members opinions and suggestions
i think members in here has trusted us and voted for us to make that thread and i think we have been doing some hard work along with the aid of alot of members in here to make that thread helpful to every member
Also there is aphrase in the thread which states that this thread shouldn't be taken too literally
so if the members in here think that we have failed to maintain that thread and if they think that we have betrayed their trust and have used that thread for our purposes and that we didn't listen to their suggestions and opinions regarding any tracker rankings then i think they can say that and i promise i will leave the ranking thread and they can choose other members to maintain the thread
Patriot I will repeat what I told you in irc the other day: in my opinion the thread should only have rarity rankings of the major known trackers: Sct,Ftn,Ukt,Ftwr,Fscr,Bitmetv,Oink etc. = trackers that everybody has some interest in and there have been enough trades to rate them based on what on average people give to get that.. Smaller trackers like IT,Rp,Revolt,Place,Vault,Rmv and some others, which are not of everybody's interest should be excluded from the list... If anyone really wants them he can just make an offer on his thread.. If he doesn't get them he can return with a better offer...It will be more easy for anyone, plus, these sites won't be filled with 0/0 accounts from ppl who keep them just to trade and not because they really like the sites...In short leave the "market" (if we can use that word) on its own to put a value in these trackers ... Because in the end the only thing this list will be it will be of a long listing (since more and more and more sites will be added by demand I guess) which will just "push" people to get site they don't want / use...
As for the second paragraph of your post, first of all I think my last post applies there also.. You said that I said you pump up values of some sites , but I didn't say anything like that here.. I said that based on somebody's mind (buggyme and you in this case, or however has the job of rating anything )rarity tags are given to sites.. About the pump up thing, I only told you in irc in private if you remember , not here.... Because I didn't want to turn any thread into flaming here.. And now you say *I* am lame (?)!!!! But I won't bother about that, if you want more about that, pm me....don't turn this thread into flaming..
Whatever......
ps. Don't say names so easily to other people..
ps2. You take things too seriously, relax..
ps3. If the thread still exists, you will see that I also voted in that poll for Buggyme (and you in turn...)...
rarity and thus price/value depends on supply and demand so you going to get some poor trackers at the top.
As for the current ratings i got to say that they seem ok to me. i havent been on every site listed but of the ones i have been on i would have put them in the order they currently are in. sct and tl and bitmetv are my favourites and they rightly score highly and are listed according to how hard they are to obtain.
It all depends on how you want to look at this (rarity or quality wise) and reducing the number of trackers listed wont help members who are not interested in the rare trackers but would like some information on the lesser ones.
so long as our comments are taken into consideration when the list is updated i say keep up with the good work.
Moonspell13
why you wrote this? IT,Rp,Revolt,Place,Vault,Rmv
RP and IT they are no small trackers
they have alot members and alot torrents
They were examples not of small trackers, but of trackers that not everybody is interested... By the way though, IT is small, 1300 torrents.... Place has 3500 ...It was an example of very specialised trackers, not small ones..
Ok, I have another question...
Why is SweDVDR ranked 4? They will open the site for invites soon...
Oh wait, didn't Patriot Foreve want to get rid of his PU Account? I remeber quite some threads where he's trying to trade it for something decent.
So if you're gonna tell me this thread is not based on the opinions of its writers, you're blinded by the truth.
Also, several people have suggested to raise FTN to 5. Why hasn't this been done yet. Well, form what I understood, Patriot Foreve got his account at FTN disabled. And if it's ranking goes up a little more, it will be hard for him to get in again.
Reading post #138 might give an answer to your last statement/answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossfade
Since I might not be so clever as you think you are, could you point exactly where the answer is :whistling?Quote:
Originally Posted by geen
in my opinion trackers should be rated by relase time and down speed(number of seeders per torrent),
al the rest is secondary.
I dont care if a tracker is hard to get in , or if it has 100000 torrents.
all I want is to have fast releases and fast download speeds.
I just got my ands on iplay and WB, and I found myself thinking, why on earth are these rated level 3 and 4.
1 or 2 seedrs per torent. very few torrents. down speed not good.
is this the concept of a level 4tracker???
from what i've seen, TL is by far the best tracker on the scene.
TB is great also, but torrents die too young there.
funny :D :D ,you are now attacking my person because u disagree with opinionsQuote:
Originally Posted by crossfade
U know why SWEDVDR is ranked 4 because i refused to higher it to 4.5 while my acc was offered for trade and why is that because i saw that alot of memebers were offering SWEDVDR at the same time so it shouldn't be upped as it's not as rare as FTN or RP or others and u can check my posts and see my replies
Secondly:i have traded that SWEDVDR awhile ago so if i was playing with rankings as u said then i should have lowered it after i traded it and this didn't happened
about the invites at SWEDVDR ,yes when they open invites in 20Feb and u see alot of accs available then it's gonna be lowered
about FTN,do u think that FTN is as hard as Sct or UK-T in rarity? i don't think so because check the last 2 weeks posts and threads and u will see how much FTN was offered and that's what made it stay at 4.5
but regarding the content i gave it a 5 because it deserves and i gave UK-T a 3 because it's just rare and that's why we have made that new rankings
Do u think that i am affected that i got disabled at any tracker ,well that's hilarious because i can get any tracker i want in the same day ,if i want ftn or any other tracker quickly then for your information i can get it easily in the same day
and as i said before i don't need to lower or higher any tracker because i already have almost every tracker and the trades that i do is only for reducing the amount of the trackers that i already have
i got plenty of pms daily from members in here asking for advice about what they should go for if the have this tracker or that and i answer them all and i think most of them were pleased with what they got because i haven't recieved asingle complaint from any of them
You can see also that i am one of the highest ranked traders here and if m offers were bad or disappointing then i think ppl won't trade with me anymore
i am also one of the few members here who replies to every single pm he got although my inbox gots filled more quicker than u think and that's because i care about all members in here and i always wish FST to still be the best community and i know that i got alot of help from members here when i was starting my way and it's time now to help others
You can ask anyone whom have traded with me successfully what offers i gave to most of them and u can ask them was it fair or not and i think u will get an answer to that
i think members in here knows that i take in consideration every single opinion and suggestion especially in the sticky thread because if their opinions were useless as u say then u wouldn't have seen them partcipating more than once
so if u have problems with me personally then take it outside but if u have any suggestions and opinions then i would be really glad to hear them and discuss them
Completly irrelevant offensive post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonspell13Since I might not be so clever as you think you are, could you point exactly where the answer is :whistling?Quote:
Originally Posted by geen
I was replying to crossfade, not to you. I thought it might be helpfull since patriot edited his post and crossfade might have missed it. As you can see, theres a number in every right corner of a post, browse a page back and you will find post #138.
anyway patriots edit:
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You are accusing us of rating trackers depending on our desires,i think this is awful and lame of u to think so because if we were as u said i think we wouldn't have made any thread asking for members suggestions and what they think will help to improve the thread and i think also we wouldn't have listened to members in here regarding their notes and edit our rankings depending on the majority of opinions
We listen to every member opinion and suggestion in the sticky thread and if a majority agree with something then it's changed directly
We don't need to bump any tracker because we already have almost all of them
Also if we weren't taking members opinions about trackers then we wouldn't have edited alot of rankings depending on the majority of members opinions and suggestions
i think members in here has trusted us and voted for us to make that thread and i think we have been doing some hard work along with the aid of alot of members in here to make that thread helpful to every member
Also there is aphrase in the thread which states that this thread shouldn't be taken too literally
so if the members in here think that we have failed to maintain that thread and if they think that we have betrayed their trust and have used that thread for our purposes and that we didn't listen to their suggestions and opinions regarding any tracker rankings then i think they can say that and i promise i will leave the ranking thread and they can choose other members to maintain the thread
I gave my opinion , and 2 good examples and still didn't get no reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot foreve
sorry,post wrong thread
Reputation doesn't mean a thing.. Servernet had +23.. Where is he now?? I don't disagree that you answer to all your pms and that you help a lot of people, maybe it's true and that's good, but it's completely irrelevant with the discussion here..
First of all, I don't think Crossfade attacked you neither me not anyone... You are the first who called me lame and as you see I didn't answer to that.. We are *supposed* to have a mature discussion here .. Of course you might be offended by the fact that me and I don't know if anyone else agrees say that you and Buggyme have used somewhat certain sites via their numbered rarity to gain.. I know I gonna be flamed now but that's my opinion ... Also, it's not that I'm calling you anything bad, in the end everyone here is to trade and everyone tries to get the best trade he can... But I think you both should be more *objective* to your rankings... A lot of times people have told why that site is there up or down or anything, and usually your thread is updated without any explanation... That of course is more for Buggyme not you...
As for the fact that you can have any tracker you want the same day, I don't disagree, you might, but if you do, why are you still trading then so much??
ps. Geen sorry if you think I was offensive.. But still I can't seem to find the answer I'm looking in that post...
We have now anew ranking system as u can see,one for raity and the other forQuote:
Originally Posted by S.L.B
content+speed+pre-times
so for example revolt is rated 4 in rarity but in the [] it's rated 1
TL is 2 in rarity because it's given for free but in [] it's 4.5 and it has beaten alot of highest rare rated trackers
so that's why we have two rankings now and along with reviews and corey's thread then i think u can choose now the trackers that u need :)
haha my idea :)
i feel smart (not happening a lot) lol
i still think that rarity is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot foreve
I can open up a new tracker an only give 1000 acc, does that makes it a good tracker.
It sure makes it rare but that doesn't mean good.
the rarity should be conceded only to trackers that have atleast 4 in two of the other values.
example:
WB
raririty 4
content 3
spedd 2
in this case the rariry shouldn't be in favor of the tracker.
I guess i make myself undestand , besides my bad english ;)
your english is fine and i think you're totally rightQuote:
Originally Posted by S.L.B
rating trackers with crappy content for rarity is pointless as most people (there are always exceptions) want a tracker for its content and not just to have and conserve it
so rarity should not compensate for the content, i think only tracker that are actually wanted by people, should also be rated on rarity (or better: scarcity or abundance)
revolt, for instance, should not be on the list - it's barely a tracker
well,u accussed us of using the thread for our purposes,do u think that i should :shutup: and thank u for your offensive and wrong accussions :huh: ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonspell13
The Trackers are edited in the thread depending on demand,supply and members opinions,so i think if u looked in the sticky thread well u should see guys asking for trackers that should be upped or should be lowered and depending on the majority of opinions we edit the thread
if u suggest that we should make alog for editing the trackers then i think this is agood idea and i think u could have said that in abetter way instead of that offensive way
i don't know what u mean by objective as agreat numbers of members here find the thread fine and if there is aproblem in any ranking we are very pleased to see your opinion about it in the sticky thread
also i don't need to answer that question about my tradings but here is your answer,i am still trading for some reasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Moonspell13
1)i am trying now to lower the no of trackers that i use
2)There are lot of great members who have helped me when i first came here and for some resons they didn't get some trackers so i try to help those who helped me
3)I have alot of Friends who doesn't spend so much time in FST as i do or not members in FST so they trust me with their accs and their trades and i do some trades on behalf of them
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.L.B
That's why we have two rankings,reviews,Corey's Thread
if u open atracker with 5 torrents and 10 members then u may be a 5 in rarity but have u seen me giving u another 5 in content+speed+pre-times?
no i will just give u only a 1 in the other ranking and that's how u can figure what trackers that u would need ,it's not just about rarity now because the new edition of the thread have both rankings and along with reviews,Corey's Thread i think it's helpful
If u were refering that we should remove trackers from the list,i think there are plenty of members here who are fine with the current available trackers and they also wanted new trackers to be added and u can see that i have asked if members think that we should remove some trackers and i think almost all members who replied said that it's fine and we should add more and that's what 's going to happen as we are going to have avote on the new trackers that should be added to the list
Maybe this discussion should end, because it's going in circles and the same people are just not getting it.