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So many wouldnt expect that, that they may be willing to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
Make sure you take pictures when it happens :D
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Originally Posted by fook3dSo many wouldnt expect that, that they may be willing to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
Make sure you take pictures when it happens :D
My tummy hurts from all the laughing, stop it Brandon you'll give me a stitch in a soon!
this is a nice way of not saying it ,isn't it ;):whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by BrandonI was actually going to use what u just said as an example (the part about how they never give invites here for free, b/c they know they can just sell them) but I knew it would just be held as another "sct attack" when the reality is, sct isnt the only one doing that. I also kept that example back because I knew the second I said it, Feeling or kimii would take the response to go and offer them just to destroy what I said. But yea, nice to know you caught on to it without me saying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost+Rider
Once again. Another post that results in a meaningless, somewhat childish response. You do realize the fact that you only post here on this site when the topic involves me, and those posts are only relating to "more bullshit from Brandon" or "lol u make my tummy hurt from laughing" or some other petty comment towards me.. More proof that you have bitter feelings towards me with nothing better to add to the topic. Also shows your immaturity ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
If you have nothing productive to add to the topic, why post? I guess I could be like you and say something meaningless like the fact that your sct avatar is a picture of a Backstreet Boys member.. But then I realize you're the perfect example of someone I never want to become.
Hmmm 8 members and 2 guests reading this thread. I wonder what site the 2 guests are from? 1FTN and 1 SCT. Wow what an enjoyable thread this is.
the thread is, "Sct disabled. Help?" not "Brandon posted here so u can too feeling".
:rolleyes:
Im not going to argue against your bullshit anymore, so ill just let you run your mouth, i don't have to convince anyone other than the people that are close to me what a retard you actually are. Ill let the whole of FST believe your well worded lies.
Why post? This is a forum is it not? Its what your suppose to do. Why do YOU post is what im thinking, just so you can make people think bad things about sct, me, and the other staff and users. :yup:
My avatar is very pro tyvm. Don't worry, i wont ever be like the bullshitting little retard that you are. :noes:
with all due respect, feeling. pointing at the topic of the thread isn't a very intelligent move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
brandon did help in his way.
what did you do?
if this wasn't a ftn vs. sct discussion you would never have posted in this thread and ignored the issues of one of your members.
one of my members? his inviter used a hacked paypal account to invite him and another, so i we disabled him and the others.
He wasn't one of sct's members at all. His ban was justified. All brandon did was make himself look good in this sct vs himself arguement, that i mite add, he started himself.
the guy who opened the thread posted his problem and in the same page got his answer, hacked paypal , etc. That's it , problem solved. Brandon of course , as always, ScT takes your money, feeling drives a Porsche ( and a ferrari as backup in the garage) by your donation money, like always , even users are bored with his atitude . Have you seen a FTN thread in which ScT staff starts bashing FTN ? I haven't. Brandon should take his frustrations in PM's instead making a public sceneQuote:
Originally Posted by Polarbearwith all due respect, feeling. pointing at the topic of the thread isn't a very intelligent move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
brandon did help in his way.
what did you do?
if this wasn't a ftn vs. sct discussion you would never have posted in this thread and ignored the issues of one of your members.
You already convinced the public with the fact that you have no defense against what has been said (other than saying I'm a liar), as well as the fact that you're immature (calling me a childish names like retard and making posts against me just b/c you dont like the topic). You also, once again called me a liar with yet again, absolutely no proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
Why do I post? I post because I like to be vocal about things that are important to me. I also post b/c I know that I tend to see things in a more detailed perspective than others, so I like to use that ability to show others. For example, I know you're going to stop posting in here because even you know you have nothing you can in public that won't be put under the microscope and studied. Whereas, you can for example go to kimii right now (like u prob are) and say "Brandon is such a fuckin liar, <insert some clever lie or comment about me>" and nobody can say "er wtf?" or counter it b/c the people close to you are only close to you because they don't know your true nature yet. You know, the only reason I found out about it was when I was staff on your site and found out you were being two-faced and telling 3 different staff members totally different things. Remember when you told me Chriz wanted me gone from sct and you were trying to take up for me, and then I talked to Chriz and he showed me logs of you saying you wanted me gone? That was the first time your true colors started to show through. You prob also remember that before that truth came out, you had manipulated me enough to not only vocally state in your forums defending you, but also going against an innocent person (Chriz) who I should have been defending.
I also know you're going to stop posting b/c even you know you're making yourself look like a fool. The fact alone that you're going to sit there and call me childish names (calling me a Retard when I have a college education and you don't is kinda funny though) whereas I'm mature enough not to call you childish names, to me makes me a better person.
Want the icing on the cake? I feel sorry for you. Most people can't help being who they are, and judging by what I know about you, the pictures I've seen with the people you hang out with, etc.. I really do feel bad for you because I know you probably are who you are based on how/where you grew up. You know what the difference is between you and I? I'm not ashamed to say I actually hope you change some day. I really do.
I never once said anyone drove a Ferarri or a porshe. See now you're making immature posts as well, and taking things out of context from what they are. Have I seen an sct thread in which sct starts bashing FTN, no. Why? Because FTN isn't the example of taking torrent sites away from their original purpose and using them in what could be said immoral purposes. What could they possibly say that FTN is doing that is wrong? We don't do any immoral practices..Quote:
Originally Posted by dragos
In defense of myself though, my first post in this topic was only informative and stated facts with no personal affiliation to it. It only got personal when kimii made the attack against me. Perhaps you should re-read this thread dragos.
PS: congrats, you get to keep your sct acct.
Oh, but to counter what you just said dragos, you should hang out in their irc more often. Better yet try talking about FTN there and tell me you won't get kicked/banned ;) Did you know you can't even have ftn in your vhost on sct's irc network? One of our staff members actually had theirs forcefully removed (celtic). I'm sure they'll remove it from the kick/ban script b4 you can test it though :P
Once again though I'll remind you, I wasn't the one who started to make it personal.
you are right. the ban was eligible and i would probably have disabled him as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
it was also pretty obvious that the guy was a victim and quite desperate.
he also seemed to have liked sct pretty much.
so a few words from you like this:
"you were a victim of a scammer and we're sorry for your loss. unfortunately we can't enable your account again."
would not only show respect to the guy, but do good for the reputation of sct in general.
way better than showing up, calling sysops from other sites retards and then leave again.
you are not an official com rep here, but over 3.000 people from all over the world will read this thread.
i think it's a great chance to represent sct in a friendly and polite way and underline everyone's oppinion that it is without any doubt one of the best trackers out there.
You might have college education, but you really don't have any common sense.
This thread was about how a user had an account at sct and lost it. You come along and post the same shit you always do in any thread regarding sct, about the donations and how we spend it on things like cars and all that crap, its the same old thing from you, and it makes me laugh out loud.
Im happy with who i am, i am who i am yes, but you dont know that much about me, how can you feel bad for me from "the pictures I've seen with the people you hang out with, etc". LOL there are no pics, and what's the "etc" u always make it sound like there is lots more, like in a previous post where you say when sct stops "selling" invites, ratios, t-shirts... etc. We don't sell anything we just give rewards to ppl that donate, and we don't give anything else other than invites and some gig back to them, as for the t-shirts... lol, that was a one time special offer, like i said how this post started, a college education doesn't mean you have common sense :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Polarbear
What you don't know is that all his questions were answered in our IRC support channel. This is just the aftermath from Brandon and his little spammy posts.
Very good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbearyou are right. the ban was eligible and i would probably have disabled him as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
it was also pretty obvious that the guy was a victim and quite desperate.
he also seemed to have liked sct pretty much.
so a few words from you like this:
"you were a victim of a scammer and we're sorry for your loss. unfortunately we can't enable your account again."
would not only show respect to the guy, but do good for the reputation of sct in general.
way better than showing up, calling sysops from other sites retards and then leave again.
you are not an official com rep here, but over 3.000 people from all over the world will read this thread.
i think it's a great chance to represent sct in a friendly and polite way and underline everyone's oppinion that it is without any doubt one of the best trackers out there.
Wow Feeling. Is that bullshit I see coming from your mouth? Where in here did I state you profit and buy cars? Or did you just make that up..:dry: And there are pics.. Once again you calling me a liar (saying there are none) and me once again proving you wrong. Like this one for example:Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4039/img0862jf6.jpg
You also state: "like in a previous post where you say when sct stops "selling" invites, ratios, t-shirts... etc. We don't sell anything we just give rewards to ppl that donate, and we don't give anything else other than invites and some gig back to them". I can recall quite clearly you even making numerous news posts as well as mass pm's about the t-shirts you were "selling". Also, it would seem my college education would benefit me in what you just said, b/c anyone who has an education clearly knows what the definition of a "purchase/sale" and a "donation" consists of. I hate to break it to you dude.. But that's like saying me going to the store and getting a t-shirt, is like me donating money and them rewarding me with it.. Do I donate to my cell phone company and get a reward of minutes too? Money -> product -> purchase. We learn that in Marketing.
If that were true, why was this topic created by the user? :frusty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
@Brandon
Hey Brandon, i have known you before and you know me too. I know how you were before and it doesnt seem like you have changed a bit. Same old friendly guy. But due to me being really really lame, i couldnt be there forever. it was my mistake...i was still a newbie. If you want to know who i am, PM me and i'll tell you who I am.
TBH, why is only your side of the argument ever heard? Why doesnt sct staff not reply with proper counter-facts or counter-arguemnts to prove you wrong?
Either they are extremely confident that you are wrong or they are just here for the fun of laughing at you blatantly enough so it would seem that you arguments are merely funny and not serious facts.
I exactly what you mean Brandon. Dont repeat yourself too many times but dont resort yourself to attack personally. Repeating yourself will only make ppl think that you're trying to drill (force) the idea into their head rather than them trying to understand it.
Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi were good men, if u are taking one for an example, i'll provide the other one. Both followed the same principles: passive violence. Its better that you take the hit and turn your cheek than to rather fight back. If you really really know deep inside of you that you are right for speaking out loud, then do it...no one will stop you, but they will follow you. Until one day you shall suffer the same fate of being assassinated (or disabled).
Hey Brandon, if u really cared for kimii, you will know how she will be feeling right now. I know how it is. You cannot let your hope die just because some ppl trying to suppress you. If that were the case, i would have seen this thread locked long before i even laid my eyes on it. I have read every single post in this thread before i made my own post. I did not think about the posts much. I just posted what i thought i saw in your posts and kimii's and many others'.
I have known you Brandon for quite sometime when i was on YOUR site (yes you were there, kimii was there: she hated me for what i had done, i bet she never forgave me, but i have been over it, Zlo was always there and our good old staff members there). You were all there on the staff page and i visited the irc everyday. I had known you well my old friend, and i will never forget you.
I digress with all this talk. let us continue the argument.
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Originally Posted by Polarbear
" The Generl" got disabled because of that
i saw him writing that before
@ feeling:
of course there's the possibilty, that he's not telling the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by orka
if you tell me he was listened to in irc, i believe you. why should you make this up.
Oh, and in regards to the "etc" part Feeling..
That was in place to the more personal things about you that I might not know, and that you might not share with people. Perhaps you had a bad childhood for example. In one of the logs I read that was taken from kimii's computer (I won't share that in here b/c thats a bit personal and I don't have her consent) I saw you say you live alone and ur parents are never home. Speaking from a psychological point of view, that can do a lot of damage on a child growing up. You know, statistically the children who grow up in single parent families are more likely to have problems later on than those who have both (which is why it's so easy for you to take advantage of kimii since she runs to you for that companionship not knowing any better). Sounded to me like you had the unfortunate childhood of having neither, which would explain why you act the way you do. Being able to run to a father when you have a problem can build a lot of compassion in someone's heart, vs someone who doesn't have that relationship growing up and in turn holds that anger inside and builds off it. As I said, I feel sorry for you b/c I know you can't help who you are.
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Originally Posted by redcorvette
I'm really impressed with your outlook on things, and I'm also starting to think FTN made a mistake letting u disappear.. I admire people like you who can say something meaningful enough to make me stop and think about it. There are always going to be people who will take something said as negative vs positive when it could be taken either way. What I say about sct might look like negative comments, but if you look at the big picture my intentions are quite good actually. People shouldn't be hating me for speaking out against sct, they should be thanking me for expressing my views regarding the wrongness in what the site is doing and helping me make a difference. It always takes one person to be brave and speak out and take a stand. I decided to be that person. Did you ever think that maybe the reason I speak out about sct so much is because I actually care about it and want it to change? Of course not.. The human thing to do is to look at something negatively before thinking about it positively.
Regarding what you said about the assassination of those two people, history has proven that the most influential and admired people get assassinated because people are afraid they'll make a difference. The fact that Feeling is bothered enough by what I've said to post in this thread just b/c of it (he never posts here on FST unless its about me), makes me feel good knowing that what I'm saying obviously means something. I'm sure Feeling would be the one assassinating me in a real life situation (he did disable me no sct. twice.).
About kimii, I've never lost hope nor faith in her. She's a smart girl, she'll figure it out eventually. She might be a bit blinded right now, but deep down she's got a pretty good heart so I have no doubt that'll shine through in time.
The difference is though, orka has no reason to come here and lie about it. Feeling does though, which would be to prevent him from looking bad at how he handled the situation. Not saying Feeling is lying b/c I don't know.. I'm just saying that orka's position is more believable due to the circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear@ feeling:
of course there's the possibilty, that he's not telling the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by orka
if you tell me he was listened to in irc, i believe you. why should you make this up.
this is turning into a personal attack now :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
No attack at all actually. He asked and I elaborated. I was very sympathetic in what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackbirdthis is turning into a personal attack now :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
PS: an attack is initiated by one person. If this was an attack, then it was one he willingly requested because he brought it up.
Wow is that a picture of a Best Buy Geek Squad meeting? (I kid, I kid, :P)
This is seriously turning into a Dr. Phil episode.
Brandon, as a user/admirer of FTN (take it as some friendly advice) you need to let it go. Let this thread go, you have said your peace and before anything else is said you should just move on. Anything else that needs to be said can easily be said/discussed on irc in private. I don't think this is the correct outlet for this type of stuff.
C'est la vie Brandon C'est la vie.
Brandon - stop getting personal. I very much doubt you have the experience or knowledge of Feeling to have any real insight into the effect of his childhood and even if you did it has no place here.
You might want to take a look closer to home before you start taking the moral high ground. FTN and ScT arent so different you know. Both sites facilitate millions of dollars worth of copyright infringement and both sites accept money from their members. When you're in that position its not to easy to turn around and say what you do is fine but if you sell leech then you are scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
At the end of the day Brandon you need to accept the fact that most users dont care if a site makes money. Look at TL they openly admit to it and everyone here loves them. You could start a thread here with absolute proof that ScT was making money.... You would get 20 pages of everyone posting how outrageous this was and how ScT staff are greedy bastards, then everyone who used sct would go back there and the others would go back to requesting invites. Nothing would change. I understand why as a former staffer you would be upset becuase you've put effort in to a site and now see someone else making money, but you need to appreciate that shouting about it here wont change anything. You're not with ScT anymore, you've started your own site and done things your way. Move on.
(dupe post)
I won't comment on that. But have it be known, you also don't have any experience or knowledge of what I know so your comment becomes a bit void.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Sure, FTN does take a step across morality in terms of warez. But only one of those two sites crosses the line and sells it. Not only are they selling things that artists/corporations are creating, but also the time that the groups use to get that infringement material even to them. Yes both sites accept money from their members, but once again, only one of those sites accepts it in an appropriate way. Once again, one site taking advantage of the situation at hand, vs the other not. It's very easy to say what I do is fine when compared to something that crosses the line on many more levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeusYou might want to take a look closer to home before you start taking the moral high ground. FTN and ScT arent so different you know. Both sites facilitate millions of dollars worth of copyright infringement and both sites accept money from their members. When you're in that position its not to easy to turn around and say what you do is fine but if you sell leech then you are scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
It's not the fact that sct/tl/etc makes money that is the problem. It's the fact that sct/tl/etc takes advantage of a situation (not to mention taking advantage of corporations and the groups that are putting all of this stuff on the internet) in order to benefit from it. Do you agree that it's ok for people to take advantage of others? I personally don't. And regarding TL, the fact that they openly admit to making money off the site takes away the ability for them to take advantage of users because the users know beforehand that they're making a profit. It's already in writing that they're purchasing. Is what TL does right? Of course not. TL takes advantage of the situation, sct takes advantage of the situation and the users. Both sites are at wrong. Besides, you and I both know SCT didn't have to go p2l to stay up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
The point isnt that sites (sct as my example) make money or could be making money. It's that sites take advantage of others in such a shady way that the average person wouldn't realize it. I strongly disagree with people taking advantage of others.
I completely agree that I dont know taht much about you. But heres what I do know. I know youre a college student, so you probably dont have a great deal of experience of psychology. And I know you live the other side of the Atlantic to Feeling, so you probably dont know him that well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
Its easy to make sweeping statements such as "perhaps you had an unhappy childhood" but you dont really know about whether he did or not and, as I said before, personal stuff like this doesnt belong here.
But point is who are you to say where the line should be drawn or what an "appropriate" way to cover your costs is. Making a few bucks from the site is nothing compared to the amount that torrent sites are costing the copyright owners everyday. People have different ideas of where the line should be drawn. I happen to agree that the line should be drawn at making a profit but I understand that others might not see it that way. At the end of the day I would rather all torrent sites made money (as long as i can use them for free) than have no sites at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
Well I personally think TL is a lot worse. Not only do they profit on a much larger scale, but they also re-enable banned accounts if you pay them and have adverts. They also have a vip system that traps users in to it, as if you take advantage of their offer of leech then you will get banned if you dont renew 3months later. Kingrob might 'fess up that the sysops rake in a killing but if you read their faq it will also say that all money is spent on server costsQuote:
It's not the fact that sct/tl/etc makes money that is the problem. It's the fact that sct/tl/etc takes advantage of a situation (not to mention taking advantage of corporations and the groups that are putting all of this stuff on the internet) in order to benefit from it. Do you agree that it's ok for people to take advantage of others? I personally don't. And regarding TL, the fact that they openly admit to making money off the site takes away the ability for them to take advantage of users because the users know beforehand that they're making a profit. It's already in writing that they're purchasing. Is what TL does right? Of course not. TL takes advantage of the situation, sct takes advantage of the situation and the users. Both sites are at wrong. Besides, you and I both know SCT didn't have to go p2l to stay up.
The point isnt that sites (sct as my example) make money or could be making money. It's that sites take advantage of others in such a shady way that the average person wouldn't realize it. I strongly disagree with people taking advantage of others.
I dont agree that ScT takes advantage of anyone. Its very clear that you dont have to donate. Its also very clear
what you get if you do donate. How is that taking advantage?
I agree that ScT probably didnt have to go p2l to say up (although ultimately not seeing their paypal accounts I can only make a good guess on this). That said, I stand by the fact that what good does it do to yell about it? Most users only really care about getting their files fast and dont really care about site politics, certainly not enough to stop using a site.
Actually, after finding out how good I was at reading people's personalities and behaviors I changed my major to psychology. So contrary to your belief, I have 3 and a half years of psychology as of now (semester is ending). My minor is IT, and I plan on getting my masters once I graduate. As I said, you don't know much about me or what I know either. You don't have to live in the same country to understand somebody. Any psychologist knows that the key to understanding anything is through communication. Everything you do involves communication, even reading this post, your eyes are communicating with your brain. Talking to Feeling online, and seeing him act and behave is also communication. You're right I might not know factually that he had a bad childhood because I haven't asked him. But I can say based on what I do know, that the chances are high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Good point. My main point was that someone saying something needed to be done, and only saying/doing it just to take advantage of the opportunity, vs the need for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeusBy point is who are you to say where the line should be drawn or what an "appropriate" way to cover your costs is. Making a few bucks from the site is nothing compared to the amount that torrent sites are costing the copyright owners everyday. People have different ideas of where the line should be drawn. I happen to agree that the line should be drawn at making a profit but I understand that others might not see it that way. At the end of the day I would rather all torrent sites made money )as long as i can use them for free) than have no sites at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
How do you know sct doesn't re-enable accounts if you pay them? The thing I like about TL is all the answers are clearly out in the open. There are no uncertainties. When all the answers are on the table, it's hard to say someone was taken advantage of because they knew beforehand the circumstances at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
You don't have to, but they make it difficult enough that you have to resort to it. That's considered taking advantage of both a person, and the situation. You don't have to buy the gas at my gas station, but would you be willing to walk 5 miles to get it elsewhere? Prob not, because the limited supply will cause you to eventually resort to getting it from me. Yes, sct prob hands out free invites, but I bet you it's on a very limited scale. That way, since the demand is so high people are forced to resort to buying them, but sct can say that they don't sell them b/c "some" users have them. Same with selling GB. SCT knows that there's high demand to use the tracker. They also know that the larger the userbase, the harder to seed back. They're even smart enough to know that most users don't have an internet connection fast enough to upload in competition with the servers. So they take advantage of the users and the situation and offer GB's for sale knowing that users will either have to not use the site, or purchase the GB. Make sense? That's taking advantage of the users who have crappy internet connections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
A more positive way to handle that would have been doing something another site did (changing the ratio from 1:1 to 1:2).
There's so much demand and loyalty from some users on SCT, I can guarantee people would have donated willingly without expecting GB or invites in return to keep it up. That should be pretty obvious. I don't speak my mind expecting change to happen. I do speak my mind hoping for change to happen though. There's a phrase that goes a little something like this: "The worst thing you can say, is nothing at all."Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Here's the question on my mind. Why can't sct just give out invites normally to every user instead of doing it for donating? Could it be related to the 3979 EUR of 1500 EUR donations currently in their account? Let me rephrase that. Does SCT "need" to sell invites?
Goes along with what I said about limited supply. What better way to get donations then to open 3,000 or so slots with a limited supply of free invites in the population.
Say it with me. Taking. Advantage.
TL's goal is to make money which explains why they do what they do. What's sct's goal? If them opening slots on site was to help users and get more people in, why didn't they give an invite to every user for free? Is any of this making sense?
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Originally Posted by YoYoYyes i think they doQuote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
" The Generl" got disabled because of that
i saw him writing that before
true
I actually dont think 3 years studying something at college amounts to considerable experience. You might disagree though. I also think theres only so much you can tell from someone over the internet. Either way I think we should probably just drop this point because it doesnt really matter. I still think that this info doesnt belong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
I dont know that theyve never done it. I do know that if they do then they dont openly advertise it and try to pressure users into donating to get back in.Quote:
How do you know sct doesn't re-enable accounts if you pay them? The thing I like about TL is all the answers are clearly out in the open. There are no uncertainties. When all the answers are on the table, it's hard to say someone was taken advantage of because they knew beforehand the circumstances at hand.
Yes I accept that with the exception of some older members like myself that if you want invites you have to buy them. But you act like people really need invites. You can use the site quite happily without inviting anyone else. Some sites dont hand out any invites at all and nobody complains about that. So I still dont accept that they are taking advantage of anyone.Quote:
You don't have to, but they make it difficult enough that you have to resort to it. That's considered taking advantage of both a person, and the situation. You don't have to buy the gas at my gas station, but would you be willing to walk 5 miles to get it elsewhere? Prob not, because the limited supply will cause you to eventually resort to getting it from me. Yes, sct prob hands out free invites, but I bet you it's on a very limited scale. That way, since the demand is so high people are forced to resort to buying them, but sct can say that they don't sell them b/c "some" users have them
Actually in my experience the larger the site the easier to seed back it is. I accept that its difficult on Sct if you dont have a seed box, especially if you actually leave your house and dont have them time to constantly jump on torrents as soon as they are uploaded. I dont think Sct should be too apologetic about this though as its what leads to them having excellent speeds.Quote:
Same with selling GB. SCT knows that there's high demand to use the tracker. They also know that the larger the userbase, the harder to seed back. They're even smart enough to know that most users don't have an internet connection fast enough to upload in competition with the servers. So they take advantage of the users and the situation and offer GB's for sale knowing that users will either have to not use the site, or purchase the GB. Make sense? That's taking advantage of the users who have crappy internet connections.
Yeah it would be lovely if they moved to a nice share index/no ratio system where eveyone could get by without fear of being banned for low ratio. However, they arent taking advantage of users by moving to the new system, and heres why... the old system was even harsher!Quote:
A more positive way to handle that would have been doing something another site did (changing the ratio from 1:1 to 1:2).
If they had moved away from a fairer system to one where users had to pay then Id be with you, but they havent. On the old system those that couldnt keep up got banned, now at least they have a chance if they are willing to buy upload.
You're probably right. It is possible that enough of these people werent willing to keep donating every month but I accept Sct is almost certainly quite profitable now they are p2l.Quote:
There's so much demand and loyalty from some users on SCT, I can guarantee people would have donated willingly without expecting GB or invites in return to keep it up. That should be pretty obvious
No they dont need to. By selling them they will get more donations which = more money. I agree with you.Quote:
I don't speak my mind expecting change to happen. I do speak my mind hoping for change to happen though. There's a phrase that goes a little something like this: "The worst thing you can say, is nothing at all."
Here's the question on my mind. Why can't sct just give out invites normally to every user instead of doing it for donating? Could it be related to the 3979 EUR of 1500 EUR donations currently in their account? Let me rephrase that. Does SCT "need" to sell invites?
We seem to be fundamentally in agreement. ScT wants to make money. I just dont agree they are really taking advantage of the users. They are more taking advantage of an opportunity to make money. Maybe we both mean the same thing and are just wording it differently.Quote:
Goes along with what I said about limited supply. What better way to get donations then to open 3,000 or so slots with a limited supply of free invites in the population.
Say it with me. Taking. Advantage.
TL's goal is to make money which explains why they do what they do. What's sct's goal? If them opening slots on site was to help users and get more people in, why didn't they give an invite to every user for free? Is any of this making sense?
/me collapses from too much quoting
Seeing as you are so interested in my childhood, it was a nice one thanks, no problems at all. :happy: At least its something different than the "ScT is a money machine" rant that happens to appear in anything concerning ScT on here.
We at sct have gone into depth about where the money goes on ScT, which is more than anysite has done just to show the users what we do for them.
Tbh, what we at sct do is none of your buisness actually, if you put the amount of effort you do in trying to bash sct and its staff and a certain female member as you do into your own site, you might have a good site one day.
Just give up on your stupid rants, like zeus said, no one really cares about it, you dont even care, but its the only thing you can do to make ScT look bad in peoples eyes.
Oh this line made me lol again with the way you worded it.
"They're even smart enough to know that most users don't have an internet connection fast enough to upload in competition with the servers"
Most users? You do know ScT has 50% Seed boxes and 40% Swe 100mb home lines, that leaves 10%, yea thats most users brandon. Your college education coming into play there.
Not really gonna comment on the kimii thing, yea shes a smart girl, thats why she stop talking to you bud, nothing to do with me.
As for the rest about not giving invites away and gigs when ppl donate, that's for us sct staff to decide, yes we have talked about it on staff and things may change in the future but at the mo its staying like it is, it allows us yo provide more content for sct and faster ( not like things could get any faster :happy: ) downloads. Win Win for the users esp the 15,500 that haven't donated, so 1,500 users have kept the site alive over the past 2 and a 1/4 years... that's not bad tbh. As some one said, we don't make you pay to be on sct, as long as u seed and ain't a retard you account is fine, if you wanna donate to help sct that's personal choice, thats what you ain't getting B.
Anyhow, my last post here, as the user in question has been dealt with.
Im sure B will go on to post his well worded crap, and im sure he will wow over the FST troops. :frusty:
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Another personal attack on me. Seems very common for you. btw, I never bashed you nor that certain female.. More assumptions/misinterpretations from you huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
As i said, just using it as an example.Quote:
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Oh? Someone with a college education would know not to give statistical numbers without showing data to back it up:frusty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
She only stopped talking to me b/c you put lies into her head about me making up something that quite possibly made pretty damn good sense. That was all you dude. I was the one who blocked her btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
Has nothing to do with how I word anything. Has everything to do with backing up what is said.Quote:
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/Bran
Wow that was some read... now on to the next part yaaaaaaay
/me gets the coffee & biscuits ready
lol, thank f*ck I was told about this thread! This, without a doubt, rivals some of the seasoned soap operas ever seen on TV!
You have e-dramas, e-relationships, e-spies, e-thugs... all the works!
:bowdown:
much more interesting than a thread about some guy whining about being banned cos he bought an invite from a scammer isnt it :)
:wacko:
How do you know FTN doesn't re-enable accounts if you pay them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
How do you know any site doesn't?
I'll be eagerly awaiting any promised proof in the post.
Limited is the opposite of unlimited, well done. Any closed tracker with a limited amount of servers has a limited amount of invites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
Maybe you didn't mean 'limited', maybe you meant 'restricted', I personally wouldn't call 14,000 invites within the system, the majority being free, particularly restrictive to the community as a whole.
Could you please explain what "help" users in your case means?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
(Not the basic concept like actually bothering to explain why users get banned on site, even when your own staff are pestering you to do so)
Opening slots is not a 'reward' for existing members, if anything it is a 'reward' for non-members who want to join.
These new users offer new forms of activity in the forum, produce more peers on torrents (both in seeding speeds and their ability to leech significantly), and just happen to allow some members to invite their friends, yes.
In an attempt to get back on topic, allowing orka13 to stay would have prevented a deserving person with a legitimate invite from inviting a friend (yes, highly coincidentally the limited amount of invites is due to the limited amount of places).
The user got a clear explanation of the situation on PM onsite (through his friend) and even quoted that here. He then entered ScT support and received the same explanation and the matter was solved.
The user has since asked to be reinstated and offered to donate if done so. Despite him saying he was broke after originally paying his inviter.
ScT feel he would not be a good addition to the site as he (a) offers money for invites, (b) is offering to bribe staff to get re-enabled.
ScT was his first choice however they do not want to be associated with such users...
..but you can currently find orka13 on FTN
Brandon wasn't there a deal you made with a certain FTN user that him donating monthly you would watch over his account to make sure he wasn't disabled due to bad ratio? :rolleyes:
:drunk::glag::oops::stars::lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Feeling
I do not see why ( nearly ) every time ScT or FTN is mentioned a war of words breaks out.
Brandon and kimii obviously have some problems....but I fail to see why it should always end up on a public forum for everyone to see.
All your personal problems should be discussed behind closed doors via PM, IM or by phone/text.
I sincerely hope you guys sort out your differences as life is too short - trust me, I found that out the hard way.
I wish you guys all the best and I pray you resolve your differences soon.
Kind Regards
Why doesn't someone lock this? This is beyond ridiculous at this point.