For A L L That Use P2p Or Share Files

Allright.. HEAR me my File-sharing brethren =
I live in India, which happens to be the second(or first) biggest Cd maker in the world. You know all those really nice CD's Sony, and Uni and other companies use.. well they're made here.

Acc to my sources (ME, .. I purchase CDs by the Lot) , the cost of one (blank) after packaging is close to Rs. 4.
yes... Rs.4.. Divide that by 45 to get the dollar price .. THATS $0.08.
most of the copying work is done somewhere in Asia for most companies.

Considering the quantities they work with, I don't see how their costing would rise somewhere above $1-2 per CD. Add to this their overheads.. artist payments (which aren't much,.,. ) etc etc. you are looking at a cost of MAXIMUM $ 7-8
(DOn't forget, 2 dollars a CD for 10 million Cd's is a lot... add to that royalties from other stuff and concerts)

And these are VERY conservative estimates, the costs should be less for them.

The ridiculusly large amounts of profit they are making are absolutly unfair.
they need to get more streamlined and more efficient if they feel they aren't making enough money.. :blink: :angry:

Hmm.. on the other hand, my cousin who works in a Music company( cant name which.. :angry: ) was fired because of declining profits attributed to file-sharing.

WHich I BELIEVE is the true reason the RIAA and everyone else is so pissed.

Music sales have been decling and probably profits shrinking. In truth this is due the inefficient and old management and business plans run by Music companies who have never faced a Financial crisis situation and hence never had to STREAMLINE.

Now, due to the weakening economy (American specially) it seems that everyone in the organisations is blaming file-sharing. To admit their bad business practises would result in pay-cuts, andeven worse, . people being fired.

SO... the scape goat --- FILE-Sharers. <_<

hi guys and girls. i have read quite a few of all of your repleys. i really done give a crap about criminals here or any other of the sort. as long as more petitions are made or whatever to stop the riaa. that is the only concern. just try and try again and if it doenst work get more people just keep trying. i know i am. and maybe you should too. because i dont want kazaa ending up like napster&#33; :angry: :(

decided to add my opinion in here...

firstly, i haven&#39;t sent a letter as i don&#39;t live in the us but i agree that everyone in the us should send theirs in,
secondly, the fact that artist&#39;s are losing a lot of money because of p2p is BS, it&#39;s the labels that are losing money, big name artist&#39;s make most of their money from T.V. appearances & live concerts, also many artist&#39;s have embraced the internet and p2p for music, almost all the unsigned bands and smaller bands i have known have their own music up on their sites and encourage you to share it, for what better way is there to get your music heard? there are also many big name bands that have embraced the internet likes of U2 who rotated songs from their albums on their site for free d/l&#39;s and Offspring who have all the tracks to all but one of their albums on their site and were stopped from releasing "Conspiracy Of One" online by their record labels, & Linkin Park who have released countless tracks via their LP uderground site.

personally i have already spent 2000 pounds on CD&#39;s in my life (mostly legal), which ain&#39;t bad for being 17, and i buy albums whenever i can afford them, but in order to be able to listen to most of the music that i want to i have to d/l it as it may either a) not be available in this country, or B) i just can&#39;t afford it

i feel i&#39;ve rambled enough for now so i&#39;ll quit whilst i&#39;m behind :blink:

uh i uh.... sent my letter. and i think that they cant do anything and they should give it up and leave us alone so if the riaa reads this go to hell stinky bastards. thank you

You know what keeps me warm at night? The knowledge that even if Kazaa (Lite) goes down, there will always :P be a substitute for downloading for us normal little people. Fuck the big captalistic bastards who don&#39;t give a damn about us, long live Kazaa and all other so called &#39;illegal&#39; activities.
Hail to people who made KL possible and all other previous and coming proggies :) .

My prayers go out to all the &#39;nerds&#39; and small people&#33; Fuck &#39;m, those captalistic imperialistic pigs. They can&#39;t stop us and they never will&#33; :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

:blink: aye, aye.
well said.......well said indeed&#33; :blink:

I am not US citizen, so i could not sign the petition. But EFF seems to have very reasonable solution to the problem. I believe that most of all would like to listen to legal music.

The sad thing is that most of us who have greatest collections, are the most often original buyers.
I find file sharing as a very good way of promoting music, because if I find particular song/album interesting, I go to the shop and buy an original. Which does not change the fact that I am still called delinquent, with my collection of over 5000 illegal audio files.

On the other hand, music companies make millions out of nothing.
This "nothing" means the cost of physical production of a disc, cover & the box, transporting it to the place of selling PLUS artist royalty.
In Poland, usual price of a CD oscillates between 40 -60 PLN (10.1 - 15.2&#036;) and consists of: 3.3% manufacturing & wrapping costs, 1.4% tranportation, 8.3% royalty and 30 - 35% retailer fee and all other costs (tax etc.).
So where the F :swear: K goes the rest half of our money???

Moreover, major companies localize their production in countries with cheap workforce (needless to say that in malaysia workers earn ~1&#036; for a DAY of work).
I just do not agree with such unfair practices, and I won&#39;t support them with my own money.

I signed the petition and sent the letter. And anything I get into comes to pass, musicsharing will become legal.
And I for one would gladly pay a reasonable fee for music sharing if I know it will give me a peace of mind AND ensure the artist that I like and support get paid.

Being an avid file sharer I feel I can ask this question (at the expense of being flamed big time, ....................... but being a big sharer that is my point, I&#39;m allowed to ask)

How many have you ever run a retail/manufacturing/sexvice, business? And Genuinely understand the costs and issues involved?

I await being flamed by dickheads and liars.


regards

jfm

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Originally posted by jfm@2 November 2003 - 04:10
Being an avid file sharer I feel I can ask this question (at the expense of being flamed big time,&nbsp; ....................... but being a big sharer that is my point, I&#39;m allowed to ask)

How many have you ever run a retail/manufacturing/sexvice, business? And Genuinely understand the costs and issues involved?

I await being flamed by dickheads and liars.


regards

jfm

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would owning/running a motel count? as that&#39;s what my family does for a living and i understand about all the cost&#39;s etc. you were taling about.... so what was the point in your post??

(other than being desperate for attention and wanting flamed)

That&#39;s funny... I am also paid by my sis who runs one of our three drug stores (or pharmacies - I still don&#39;t know which form is correct). Moreover I happen to study logistics on an economical faculty of Szczecin&#39;s University...

You can always say that you know more, because nobody can know everything, but my actual knowledge makes it possible 4 me 2 run my own business...

Signed & sent letter also.


But I noticed something kinda funny just a few lines down from mine:
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I guess Eminem is on our side. :lol:

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Originally posted by DrSpud@4 November 2003 - 11:41
Signed & sent letter also.


But I noticed something kinda funny just a few lines down from mine:
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I guess Eminem is on our side. :lol:

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Well, thats good to know...
:lol: :lol:

ive always been sharing, no one is going to kill off kazaa.

O.k. i feel its time to add my two cents here. Since the "cover" on all this is "suppos" to be about the artists...lets talk about them for a minute. Being a serious musician as im sure at least a few of us in here are, look at the other inside scoop. Does anyone have an idea roughly how much &#036;&#036; the average indie rapper made off thier last ALBUM SALES? How long are thier tours? Now how about the average "signed to a label" rock or metal band? The difference is night and day. The misconseption is that once a band gets "signed" everything is smooth sailing. In a way it is. That phat jag you see them driving in isnt really theirs. Its the record labels, and so is the house and everything in it. The image has to be presented to keep the new talent drooling for the &#036;&#036;. A signed band tends to make 99% of thier cash from touring and merchandise...NOT record sales. In all actuallity, for the most part newly signed bands make less off thier album sales than they would working for Mc D&#39;s. This seems to be the trend until around the 3rd album...as long as the at least go gold. Anyone remember the "black album tour" ? Thats where their &#036;&#036; came from...years on the road, and thats why metal guys party..live on a bus being away from your family for that long. Now do you remember this summers "St. Anger tour"? it was all of 15 or so shows......hmm..wonder why the tickets were &#036;75 a piece. No need for the money...among other things. No go back and look at that indie rapper again. Hes pimpin. Those guys record and produce thier discs themselves. These days...if your a rapper and you put out a good disc and have a few contacts...your golden. Look at how much the Major Labels loose in this situation...and they have no control over them since they dont have a claim on everything they own. Now to the P2P. How friggin easy is it to make your own recording studio these days? What about pressing your own discs....doing your own artwork? Not much effort at all. The bands of yesterday are gone. Anyone remember how larger than life guys like motley crue and gnr were back in the day? Now anyone can be musician, make and sell thier own music...its not hard. And your right, it is about the money, but not artists, they dont make shit off the discs unless they own thier own label. This is our time to "stand up and shout&#33;" people...because i live in a small town where people dont say a friggin word. And it shows too (like in the way if you get a D.U.I.) they impound the vehicle for a year, no matter who owns it. And its a &#036;30 a day storage fee. Thats only the beginning. City imposed smoking bans...it will only get worse if we dont fight&#33;&#33; What happens 10 years from now when ya wish you would have sent that email while you were waiting on that file? Anyone remember the P.M.R.C. ?&#33;

yo go to LOCHAP.com and join the fourms B)

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Originally posted by Popdrinker@16 November 2003 - 13:21
yo go to LOCHAP.com and join the fourms

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Don&#39;t understand what this has to do with this topic...

alright i&#39;ve had quite enough of all this RIAA bullshit.....this is just another form of terrorism and stealing money from hardworking people. I&#39;m not anti-government but certainly enough to hate this shit. I was watchin a show a few days ago and it said that madonna toured one year and came back with around 16 mil in total benefits. that was about 16 years ago and with all the increase prices for tickets artists make even more money.....the radio is still on......another chunk of money. to add to the increase of money. celebrities and musicians don&#39;t have to spend a dime to get shit. non known bands may still have to but thats beyond the point. celebrities get free stuff all the time getting free food and everything....some celebrities have enough money invested in cars to last a normal american a lifetime. i&#39;ve sent all that stuff and all i gotta say is if they do catch me...heheh they wont....the computer will be gone.... this could be random babbling because i&#39;m kinda tired not enough sleep ever.

This is my first time coming to this site, and the first topic I clicked on. As soon as I read the letter and knew what it could mean if I sent it, I did it without hesitation. I agree with most replys here. If you don&#39;t agree, stop sharing so you don&#39;t get arrested when the RIAA gets what they want. Love, Peace, and Share.

What do they think??? Getting money from kids???

Hell no, they aren&#39;t going to pay those people at any cost and just sit in jail for free.

How dummer these people will get???

They getting dummer now and kids getting smarter now.

People are afrade to stand up for their kids now days because of brainwash by the government and not by God of will.

Remember that guys and girls&#33;&#33;&#33; :(

If that was my boy&#33;&#33;&#33;

I would stand up for him and sued the complany for that.

There isn&#39;t a law that say that we can&#39;t copy a music and share those.

But there is a copyrights law that saying that we can&#39;t sell musics that doesn&#39;t have our name on it.

Other words, over rules for doing that boy like that without him selling those musics&#33;&#33;&#33;

Even the Bushes in this world will have to face the fact that p2p can&#39;t be rooted out, &#39;cause there&#39;s simply no main root to dig out.....They may b able 2 pick one or two less carefull users (use a firewall and peerguardian&#33; pleeze&#33;) out of the gigantic pool, but all that amounts to is psychological warfare. Seems to me the only thing that can bring p2p down is if we all delete our shared folders and run like hell,cause there aint no way 2 stop us any other way(and i think they know it, hence the meaningless litigation).


All we normal users have 2 do is wait for them to realise that their attempts to controll or regulate p2p is futile (they will b assimilated.. :P ) and meaningless, frankly.Technology will find a way (thanx to smarter people than me out there, who devellop software like k++, thanx ,whoever u are).

Wich doesn&#39;t mean that we shouldn&#39;t try to speed up that realisation-process. I signed the pettition. We all should.Main thing is:

Don"t get scared out of p2p by corporate spook tactics&#33;&#33;

The key to this is subdue, threat, sue and control you people as if owned...
Why even be bothered by it, congress could careless if a few people raises hell about it, they know that if they get their way its a win win situation... why make filesharing legal cause of a few individual?
we people are bothered by whats legal and illegal so much that even minor thing like sharing files is a major issue.

I agree that we should put up a stand against all these bs litigations. For one breaking the copyright law means that one is reproducing the original and redistributing it for a profit. How many of us are truly doing that? Probably not many. I have never made a profit from my downloads, they are only for me to listen to on my computer or in my CD player. No different than taking some of my own bought tapes/CD&#39;s and making a mix from those (as we used to do when tapes came out.

I would send in a letter but I live in Canada so not much I can do there to help, sorry about that. I don&#39;t agree w/ paying to share a file from you not the label companies, especially considering they only pay at most &#036;0.80, if the artist is lucky, for every CD we purchase. Like I said in a previous post the CEO&#39;s are only pissed off b/c they could not grossly increase their own pay and bonuses while screwing over the artists. Could site to check out on this is http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

Is an actual producer telling the real story of how injustly artists are treated by these same labels who are sueing,

[COLOR=purple]Hey everybody I&#39;m posting this message because I just read somewhere that K-lite has been shut down thanks to sharman networks, and some copyright infrigment suit brought against them. There was a rumor of k-lite 2.60 coming out, but nobody seems to know when.

I wanted to let everybody know that I found a link for a clean version of KMD (Kazaa Media Desktop). I know that not a single person on this site wants to use regular kazaa ever again, but I figure take what you can get.

Here is the link if anybody wants to try it Clean KMD download, found on ZeroPaid.com at http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../12252003d.php

I don&#39;t know if anybody wants to download it or not, but I just wanted to make everybody that is still checking the k-lite board aware of it.



Damn Sharman-Networks, and F*ck the RIAA :frusty:

The problem with paying for your music is this if you give a mouse a cookie what happens?

Man, I really want to sent in this letter, but I can&#39;t. The service only seems to be available for U.S. residents. :(

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Originally posted by Time+26 July 2003 - 06:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Time &#064; 26 July 2003 - 06:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only

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Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in.[/b][/quote]
I agree with the original post, and I&#39;ve helped the EFA (the Australian chapter of the EFF) with this issue here in Oz. I have no objection to paying for music, as long as the quality is guaranteed and my listening choices aren&#39;t tracked. If the companies want to track my listening choices, then they should consider that information as fair payment for the information (music) I download.
Now, for Americans: I would like to see the principles of your Constitution adopted by the rest of the world. They make good sense. But I have to give back to the user "Time" some of what he&#39;s dished out, so all you Americans who simply love your country and regret some of your government&#39;s harsher actions, please forgive my following statement.
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OK "Time", here&#39;s some attitude for u: U get stuck into someone pointing out that this site is U.S. only, consider this. There are 200 million of YOU. There are 5,900 million of US. The Roman Empire fell. The Spanish Empire fell. The British Empire fell. Your turn&#39;s coming. Asshole.

My letter&#39;s BEEN sent in to my AUSTRALIAN MP.

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Originally posted by Time@26 July 2003 - 06:10
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@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only

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Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in.

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I agree with the original post, and I&#39;ve helped the EFA (the Australian chapter of the EFF) with this issue here in Oz. I have no objection to paying for music, as long as the quality is guaranteed and my listening choices aren&#39;t tracked. If the companies want to track my listening choices, then they should consider that information as fair payment for the information (music) I download.
Now, for Americans: I would like to see the principles of your Constitution adopted by the rest of the world. They make good sense. But I have to give back to the user "Time" some of what he&#39;s dished out, so all you Americans who simply love your country and regret some of your government&#39;s harsher actions, please forgive my following statement.
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OK "Time", here&#39;s some attitude for u: U get stuck into someone pointing out that this site is U.S. only, consider this. There are 200 million of YOU. There are 5,900 million of US. The Roman Empire fell. The Spanish Empire fell. The British Empire fell. Your turn&#39;s coming. Asshole.

My letter&#39;s BEEN sent in to my AUSTRALIAN MP. [/b][/quote]
Agreed.

I would rather pay x amount of money per month, then get a law suit filed against me.. ;)

(x = Some cheap price) ;)

If a musician is good I support him, but directly.

Peace, man & woman & everyody else - Share your thoughts openly and if possible in a way that does not hurt so much ;)

I registered and sent the letter to my representatives. Thank you for this quality and timely information, Clocker.

I&#39;ve had enough of this RIAA bullshit.
http://locborg.myftp.org/ip.gif

Electronic Frontier Foundation Releases File Sharing Recommendations
Suggests Voluntary Collective Licensing at Future of Music Event
For Immediate Release: Tuesday, February 24, 2004

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San Francisco, CA - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) today announced the release of a report outlining its favored solution to the music file-sharing controversy. The EFF white paper recommends that the music industry adopt a model similar to that used by radio stations today, known as voluntary collective licensing. The proposal suggests a way that artists and copyright holders can get paid and music fans can share music freely at a reasonable charge without feeling like criminals.

"Voluntary collective licensing aligns the interests of the music industry with music fans," said EFF Senior Intellectual Property Attorney Fred von Lohmann, "The more people share music, the more artists and copyright holders should receive compensation for their creations."

The report, entitled "A Better Way Forward: Voluntary Collective Licensing of Music File Sharing," is part of the organization&#39;s "Let the Music Play" campaign.

Von Lohmann will speak on this and other topics from 9:30 - 10:30 a.m., Wednesday, February 25, at the Future of Music Coalition&#39;s Music Summit West at Hastings College of Law, Louis B. Meyer Lounge, 198 Building, 1st Floor, 198 McAllister Street, in San Francisco.

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http://eff.org/share/20040224_eff_pr.php

again i say this is just piss in the wind , p2p will never stop and they know it , fear is our freind.

untill the recording company&#39;s bend to the fact and keep playing bullie boys, there will be some one and some way to curcum nav the system.

as i have said b4 , if the 3 million + users banded together and did a class action the music industry would have to change the way they do buisness

The realism is it costs too much to buy music and anything else, so for most the alt is to p2p it

never mind go to see it live ???? lol i would love to see my fav band live but i could never afford &#036;100 a show, shit thats a month d/l and all the music i can get

make the cost equil to download costs and whazam, i would buy it in an instant


of course there are those ppl that will p2p for free no matter what, and that will never change, but if it was affordable for 90% of the population to buy then they would make money and we would all be happy

It again come down to cause and effect , they screw us, so we screw them

enough said, sign the petition, make noise, be heard. Just dont sit on the side line playing fox, while you have your pie and eat it too

I will write my letter when i get home.

But I just want to make a quick point.

If we pay monthly fees, or anyfees for file SHARING it defeats the purpose of p2p netwroks. If we end uppaying somesort of fees, we lose they win.

I dont like to lose.

When you share your sandwhich at school, do you charge that person? No, you do not. If you share your cell phone for a few minutes with your friend so they can get a ride home or somthing, do you charge them? No. Sharing is a free term. So File Sharing should be free.

If the EFF plans on argreeing to a WINNING stettlement, they better keep things free. The banner idea was a good one, and i&#39;m sure some of FREE solutions on that site (which i will also read when I get home) are good.

But what about a tax on burnable cd&#39;s and dvd&#39;s. Just think about it, every1 pays for burnable cd&#39;s. So impliment a tax of like 1 penny per cd, and like 2 or 3 penny&#39;s for a dvd. Just think about it, we only pay 1 extra dollar for 100 cd&#39;s, and like 2 or 3 bucks for the bigger and better dvd&#39;s. And we all know how many burnable cd packs people buy. And for those of us don&#39;t buy burnable cd&#39;s, but maybe only once or twice in a lifetime, we get a very nice compensattion, dont you say?



Sorry if this was already mentioned, I read up to page four b4 skipping to the last. But this was my idea and I think it is a good one (even if others have thought of it)

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Originally posted by DoLFaN@3 March 2004 - 09:03
But what about a tax on burnable cd&#39;s and dvd&#39;s. Just think about it, every1 pays for burnable cd&#39;s.

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why do you think "music" cd-r&#39;s cost more?
its the same shit...they just tag em "music" cd-r&#39;s
to make you think they are better for burning mp3&#39;s
well, they are not, nor are they worth the extra money you pay for em
they are over priced so the artists get a cut
there&#39;s an article about it on tech-tv i think, look it up ;)

[B]BLABLABLA,we&#39;re all screwed

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Originally posted by loozer@26 March 2004 - 07:04
[b] BLABLABLA,we&#39;re all screwed

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Especially when you forget to close the tags ;)

This could be reassuring - I don&#39;t see ANY mention of the username "KazaaLiteK++@KaZaA" listed in the list of users being named in the lawsuits on the RIAA Hit List at the RIAA Hit List link

I wonder why they didn&#39;t also list all the "Doe" lawsuits that we know they have prepared in advance? I bet it&#39;ll get really confusing in court if they ever happen to sue someone whose name really IS "Doe"&#33; :D Maybe they could claim mistaken identity?

So here&#39;s the answer (from the UK).

All file sharers in the US change their names to John(Joan?) Doe&#33;

Seriously, good luck to all you criminals - living proof we were right to send our sheep stealers and footpads to the colonies&#33;