ITS just to let you all know

i think this thread has led to much animosity. but if you take an overall view of it, both sides are right in their own way.
1) iTS staff have obviously made it very clear that they dont want their invites to be traded. while this is hardly uncommon with trackers, the fact that the iTS community is built with a lot of long standing FST members, has lead to a sort of enforcement of this rule. hence everytime someone has tried to trade for its they have just been met with denials from its members. i think this is just because the members of this community are very keen to keep traders out and are very particular, hence discouraging any trades or offers they see here.
2) on the other hand, the bit torrrent invites section, which is the most popular section here in FST, was mainly started so that people could come here and trade invites. so the conflict is very fundamental in nature. obviously it would be asking too much from the FST mods to disallow trading invites for a particular site as it would compromise the very purpose for which this section was started.
all said and done, there are several sites out there which are very strict about invite trading. how they choose to enforce it is by tracking down the traders and banning them from their sites. since only a handful of iTS members have invites, this seems to be a very practical thing to do and traders will easily be caught and dealt with. let it be known to those trading invites here that they are doing so at their own risk and if caught they will get banned from that site.
i hope this extinguishes this fire and all you guys here kiss and make up :D

but your missing the point, if they have a CR here, which they do, they HAVE to turn a blind eye to members that trade invites on FST.

If they have not got a CR then members can trade accounts BUT they then can ban members that trade accounts OR invites on FST.

well so do all other sites. if the CR sees someone trading, he should go ban that guy from the site. i mentioned this at the end. and FST dosent allow account trading anyway
the solution is enforcing the rules on the tracker and not here. im sure after making an example out of someone who trades invites, people will stop doing so automatically

But he cant, thats the whole point here, if he does he will get demoted from CR (if he is caught that is).

if you havnt got a CR you can ban anyone, but Account trades and Invite trades can be posted.

If you are a CR, then Account trades cannot be posted on FST, invite trades can, and there isnt a thing you can do to the members that trade.

thats the way its supposed to work, wether it actually works that way in IRL is another question though.

my friend, if everything worked the way it was supposed to, then it would be a differnt world wouldnt it?
that way tracker invites are not meant to be traded in the first place.
i dint know that a CR will get demoted here if he bans a trader from his site (im sorry i dint have the patience to go through 13 pages :P). if this is true, i think this is an issue which the tracker staff can work out with FST admins. eventually its their tracker and they have every right to ban someone who violates their rules, whether its legal on FST or not. and im also pretty sure there are CRs here who have banned people for trading and still hold their status

well im sorry, going over old shit here from 10 pages ago but..

If a member gets banned for whatever reason on their trackers, the most commen answer is "Well, you should have read the FAQ/Rules and abided by it"

so how come its ok for them to say that to their members, but on here break the rules of FST.

Hypocrycy if you ask me.

If they dont follow the rules of FST, then dont become CR. but dont expect the mods of FST to bend over backwards and kiss your ass just because your a tracker owner/staffer.

yes i am a tracker owner, and i am a CR, but imho, im just the same as any one of you on here, I dont want or expect any special treatment, if i fuck up i expect to be punished just like everyone else.

PS: sorry for the swearing, but this thread is starting to annoy the hell out of me now :lol:

totally agreed m8. if a CR breaks the rules here he should be dealt with accordingly. im not quite aware of what violations were made by which CR (i guess ill have to go through all the pages after all :)) i think this issue can be resolved much more peacefully thats all

No one has broke the rules "in this thread".

I was just trying to point out to members on here from other trackers, that it doesnt matter how many times they post, "you cant trade" the fact is, If the tracker has a CR they can trade and the tracker cannot do a thing about it. (invites that is)

The point is bloody clear! You CAN trade iTs invites here! Why the hell can't people accept that?? If iTs don't want traders, then they can ban the traders account, like every other tracker does. EVERY tracker is the SAME. BitSoup could suddenly decide to dislike traders, and it would go up levels, but that doesn't make it any different! I say lock this thread! Too much spam! :sly:
iTs is no different! So @ all the iTs non-traders/giveawayers: :tease: :tease: :tease: :tease: :tease:

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So traversely, threads will be locked here then right quick - yes?

Has anyone reported anybody for being abusive or bullying in threads, or is this a decision just based on "a feeling"?

Just as you defend the right to allow what goes on, I will defend the right of reply in all cases.

You should take each thread on a case-by-case basis and nip things in the bud so that clear lines are drawn, or openly respond and give a warning to the person who you consider is abusing or bullying the OP.

It could be said what you are doing as the OP of this thread is bullying 1 tracker :P

And secondary, but along similar lines, you've (as in FST - not you personally) allowed posters to get away with things that gave the impression to think they could post what they wanted wherever they wanted with total freedom, that has been the real problem here, and it has been carried too far in certain cases.

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Ummmm no not really threads are locked here on a case by case basis. Sarge did I hit a nerve here? your posts sound a bit angry in nature did I insult you somehow? I am not bulling ITS I am stating that I don't like the fact that member are bulling other members.

What members report here is confidential, I am not going by mere feelings here, Im going by what Iv read in thread upon thread. Things Iv seen with my own eyes.

" Just as you defend the right to allow what goes on, I will defend the right of reply in all cases."

Now this my man makes you look argumentative More or less saying I will oppose the reply of ALL cases, Not that this is what you are doing I know you better than that, but It makes you look like you don't have a clear opinion and you will argue a point just to oppose me.

" It could be said what you are doing as the OP of this thread is bullying 1 tracker :P"

Sure it could furthermore it could be said that aliens have just landed or that the moon is made of cheese :P

"You...allowed posters to get away with things that gave the impression to think they could post what they wanted wherever they wanted with total freedom, that has been the real problem here, and it has been carried too far in certain cases"

Please speak you mind bro, I honestly have no idea what you mean. If you see a post that you feel should be locked by all means report it straight away.

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Nothing could be further from the truth, nothing I post should ever be taken personally, just posting an opposing view that's all, I may have a harsh posting style but that's all that it is, I tend not to use flowery language (or smileys) and just get to the point, probably too bluntly sometimes, but hey, we are all different right?

If you have seen things with your own eyes, and done nothing about it, then that creates the feeling that the same posters can do & say what they want, which comes back round to nipping things in the bud, and stopping those very posters from getting away with it.

I will report more if that's what you want, but more reporting creates more work, but I'm sure now that clear guidelines have been drawn, more & more will report the abusive & spamming posters and those posters that take threads way OffT from what the OP intended.

But just as FST is defending the right of posters to do what they want within FSTs rules, then the right to respond to those open threads, in a polite manner of course, reminding them of what will or might happen, providing they stay OnT and within the FST rules, is also to be defended.

yea you cannot do anything here. but you have the power to deal with it on your site. CRs have done it on numerous occasions.

so that is breaking FST rules.

so dont be a CR

its not rocket science.

i dont think FST allowing this trade is going to make any difference. since only few members have invites in the first place, there are going to be no trades anyway. so i think both can coexist peacefully

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so that is breaking FST rules.

so dont be a CR

its not rocket science.

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what is the exact role of a CR anyway? you can help people about your site w/o being one also. so yea, if you wanna ban traders, dont be a CR

i guess, if an ITS member want to trade his invites so it's ok.
and it's ok for ITS staff to ban his ass.

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i guess, if an ITS member want to trade his invites so it's ok.
and it's ok for ITS staff to ban his ass.

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It's more than fair...:)

lol. just saw the tags on this thread :lol:

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Originally Posted by SAM

i guess, if an ITS member want to trade his invites so it's ok.
and it's ok for ITS staff to ban his ass.

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ffs they can if they are not CR if they are CR they cant.

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Originally Posted by bikernin

lol. just saw the tags on this thread :lol:

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What a hell... :lol::lol:

well,
we have to be fair
some of ITS members had been carried away in their defending for their beloved tracker.
we saw some real harsh posts and some spamming in some of ITS TRADING THREADS.
but most ITS MEMBERS were trying to clarify the fact that there are very few ITS INVITES and most of them were given on request not by promotion,so it's hard to find an invite trader in ITS.that's what most of us as members in both FST and ITS trying to say.
Talking about myself, I'm proud to be a FST MEMBER though i don't like trading or you may say i hate the whole concept of trading.but still i cherish my membership here and i will always do .

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well,
we have to be fair
some of ITS members had been carried away in their defending for their beloved tracker.
we saw some real harsh posts and some spamming in some of ITS TRADING THREADS.
but most ITS MEMBERS were trying to clarify the fact that there are very few ITS INVITES and most of them were given on request not by promotion,so it's hard to find an invite trader in ITS.that's what most of us as members in both FST and ITS trying to say.
Talking about myself, I'm proud to be a FST MEMBER though i don't like trading or you may say i hate the whole concept of trading.but still i cherish my membership here and i will always do .

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We know that you are, and we are proud to to have you as a member here :)

PS: Don't say that i'm am ass-kisser because i'm a trader so i don't have any chances to get iTS from him :lol:

rofl stoi

regardless of u repeating the rules several times...every new guy pops out and ask the same statement :lol:

@bikernin,

read the FST CR agreement:

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-com...677/postcount1

if you are lazy, read the highlighted stuff here

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-its...86/postcount62

just in case u are more lazier i will paste it out for u :P

Invite Trading

The Staff at FST does not believe invite trading is an issue. We’ve found most BT staff we’ve spoken with agree on this. Sites that have issue mostly don’t have them or keep them limited. It’s strange to have invites and then chase and ban those trading them. Many sites give invites to members as a reward for participation, and its clear some members want them to trade and get into other sites.

We’re aware some sites might not agree on this policy, though it’s the policy we’ve chose to take. If you’re here to ban invite traders, don’t ask for “Community Rep” rank on the site. Its better you choose to be a rouge element, although if this is road you choose you will be dealt with as such.


Summary

We believe this approach with “Community Reps” will bring the community closer together. If you agree to the above you may contact FST Staff to request Community Staff rank...

and as previously said in the thread there are staffers from trackers who did not agree with invite trading section so they never asked for CR...or when CR position was offered to them they denied it. Feeling (ScT staffer) is an example, he does not agree with that stuff and hence isn't a CR...but yet he is listed out in a thread (alone with other staffer whether they are CR or not) just so people know how to reach him if any help is required.

Nobody is forcing staffer to be a CR (it's a choice)...if they want to be a CR they have to agree with the agreement...if they don't agree and want to ban invite trader at FST...don't be a CR.

I think the agreement is pretty simple, which part people do not get? :whistling

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But just as FST is defending the right of posters to do what they want within FSTs rules, then the right to respond to those open threads, in a polite manner of course, reminding them of what will or might happen, providing they stay OnT and within the FST rules, is also to be defended.

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the rules are clearly stated so idk what is left there to prove or to defend.

beside, i think vast majority of traders already know the consequences of trade. Even if they don't, there is NO necessity of posting same chant "trading isn't allowed" in every single trade/ request thread for same tracker....not especially by 20 people at once.

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lol. just saw the tags on this thread :lol:

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:hooray:

anyway, if you think this thread will change something, dont waste your time

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I hate trading...invites & accounts...however it's pretty bloody rich to say well people have to respect the site rules or get banned but it's ok for comm reps not to respect the rules of FST.

There are plenty of staffers here who aren't com reps and I hope they ban every trader on this board. But all the comm reps I'm sure are well aware of FST's stance on this issue, no matter how much they or I disagree with it thems just the facts of life.

But I will say I think one of the main points is that ITs has fuck all invites so the chances of people trading for one are very slim. Therefore the best bet is to report it to staff let them handle it and be done with it. Spamming the threads just intensifies the hype. And a mod can correct me if I'm wrong but I was told when I was invited ages ago that the idea was not to draw attention to this tracker.

[OFF TOPIC]Fatcat mate why don't you leach? If you truly love ITs I'm telling you right now that's what it needs, so...[/OFF TOPIC]

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Damn Sear, this is so fucked up, I keep agreeing with everything you say it's just fucking annoying as hell.
Anyway, I've tried to read most of the meaningful posts on the thread and there are a few things I want to add/stress regarding some of the points raised here:

One thing I've noticed and is important to stress is that the bashing of iTS invite traders is not coming from iTS staff but from iTS members who seem to really care about the tracker. While I'm sure it was done with good intent I do think that (without naming names) a few of the members had gone too far with it, and although I hate to admit it I understand why Detale posted this thread: this is the backlash of the uncontrolled behavior by some of the members. People should just relax and try to think about the big picture: is spamming the threads really helpful in preventing trading of iTS invites? My answer btw is that no, it wasn't the spamming, it was the fact that there were simply no invites to trade. All the spamming did was build a hype around the tracker (which was created because of the actions of these vigilantes and not requested/endorsed by the staff), which in turn moved it up the traders' wishlist. The best thing iTS members can do is probably ignore the invite trading threads and report the account trading attempts as soon as they see them. If you read the posts made by the iTS comm. rep in this thread you'll see that he pretty much said that (ITS, please correct me if I'm wrong).

This thread also got me thinking about the FST policy which states that account trading will be disallowed (while invite trading will be allowed) for trackers that have comm. reps here, and I feel that this rule is wrong on so many levels, and I'll try to explain why:

First of all, the existence of such a rule indicates that FST acknowledges that account trading is wrong and hurts the BT community (otherwise why would they make an option to disallow it?). Well, my point here is that if account trading is wrong then it should be banned altogether and unconditionally. You can't have it both ways.

Secondly, in my opinion this rule twists the arms of (most of) the staffers by forcing them to put up with something they do not believe in (invites trading) in return to a promise that another thing which they agree to even less (account trading) will be disallowed. I think that using account trading as a leverage in this way is just wrong, no matter what the benefit for FST members is. As an FST member, I'm willing to forfeit this benefit if it means that it is forced upon the trackers, and I'm sure many others feel the same way.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Sorry for the long post, I expected it to be much shorter when I started it. Let's make it 3 cents then, shall we? :P

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First of all, if anyone is allowed to say "YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TRADE ITS INVITES", if would be iTS staff members themselves.
Please accept my apology if you're one of iTS staff members.

If not, please leave this matter to them to handle and take care.

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Well please take note of my lovely purple stars I am a BT Mod here and FST rules say you can trade ITS Invites here and so I have every right to say

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TRADE ITS INVITES

I nor anyone else here has to be staff at ITS to say this because we are not on ITS now we are on FST

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he was talking about trading of ITS invites being allowed in FST since a few members of ITS seemed to be create an impression that ITS invite trading is not allowed in FST, mocking traders who would want to trade their ITS invites ...since he is a staff in FST,and he is trying to express his views in FST FORUMS,i think his views matter...he also meant if some one chose to trade ITS then its fine with FST,he didnt not imply that everyone SHOULD TRADE their ITS invite...he was not trying to offend anyone or disrespect ITS .... this is just my version of what he was trying to say....people always see what they want to see...

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Yes I have seen people trying to do exactly this, thanks for getting the jist of it.

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I don't think it's ever been implied that you can't trade iTS invites on here as I think most of us know all invites are fair game. I've seen some members saying the site doesn't allow it and that push the point your account will be gone if your caught and most times it's true so I really don't see what the issue is.

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Perhaps YOU yourself didn't but Others sure have flat out said this, when I have more time if it's still needed I will find the posts.

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Basically in a nutshell. FST doesn't give a shit about iTS and iTS doesn't give a shit about FST. :smilie4:

Harsh, but I reckon that may be true.

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Sorry bro, you know I love you man but FST cares a great deal about trackers, we are one of the only trading forums that has CR's and filters UrL's for them we take care and try to have a respect for each other.

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well so do all other sites. if the CR sees someone trading, he should go ban that guy from the site. i mentioned this at the end. and FST dosent allow account trading anyway
the solution is enforcing the rules on the tracker and not here. im sure after making an example out of someone who trades invites, people will stop doing so automatically

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yea you cannot do anything here. but you have the power to deal with it on your site. CRs have done it on numerous occasions.

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If I or any other staff member here find this to be true about ANY tracker not just ITS the CR will be immediately removed and them and their staff possibly locked from the invite section completely. This has happened before and dealt with severly.

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Ummmm no not really threads are locked here on a case by case basis. Sarge did I hit a nerve here? your posts sound a bit angry in nature did I insult you somehow? I am not bulling ITS I am stating that I don't like the fact that member are bulling other members.

What members report here is confidential, I am not going by mere feelings here, Im going by what Iv read in thread upon thread. Things Iv seen with my own eyes.

" Just as you defend the right to allow what goes on, I will defend the right of reply in all cases."

Now this my man makes you look argumentative More or less saying I will oppose the reply of ALL cases, Not that this is what you are doing I know you better than that, but It makes you look like you don't have a clear opinion and you will argue a point just to oppose me.

" It could be said what you are doing as the OP of this thread is bullying 1 tracker :P"

Sure it could furthermore it could be said that aliens have just landed or that the moon is made of cheese :P

"You...allowed posters to get away with things that gave the impression to think they could post what they wanted wherever they wanted with total freedom, that has been the real problem here, and it has been carried too far in certain cases"

Please speak you mind bro, I honestly have no idea what you mean. If you see a post that you feel should be locked by all means report it straight away.

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Nothing could be further from the truth, nothing I post should ever be taken personally, just posting an opposing view that's all, I may have a harsh posting style but that's all that it is, I tend not to use flowery language (or smileys) and just get to the point, probably too bluntly sometimes, but hey, we are all different right?

If you have seen things with your own eyes, and done nothing about it, then that creates the feeling that the same posters can do & say what they want, which comes back round to nipping things in the bud, and stopping those very posters from getting away with it.

I will report more if that's what you want, but more reporting creates more work, but I'm sure now that clear guidelines have been drawn, more & more will report the abusive & spamming posters and those posters that take threads way OffT from what the OP intended.

But just as FST is defending the right of posters to do what they want within FSTs rules, then the right to respond to those open threads, in a polite manner of course, reminding them of what will or might happen, providing they stay OnT and within the FST rules, is also to be defended.

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Sorry sarge I was tired and a little bitchy last night. Now I allowed posters to post their opinions. EVERY thread I have seen like this I have corrected the people saying that ITS invites are not to be traded so if I missed some it means I didn't see it. Believe me I don't normally go picking on 1 site for no reason, anyone that knows me will know this. But I feel it's our job to help FST members first and foremost.

Honestly I'm not just saying this but I like when you report things you don't ever report crap you only report good solid problems that arise. More work!? Thats why we're here bro.

The reason I started this post is because I saw the not so polite posts basically spreading falsehoods about FST rules that got under my skin.

more to come I gtg right now

i'm not an its member, but i learned that the tracker has a very small and devoted userbase.

i can understand that members like to show their support and keep bad users away from the tracker.

what some people don't realize is, that mini-modding in an its request or trade thread doesn't help the tracker at all. every single post like "we don't want traders" or "i told you, you are not gonna get it" does nothing but bump the thread and attract even more unwanted attention to the tracker.
the more its threads with 35 replies, the more will follow.

my advice would be just to ignore those threads in the invite section. i know that is hard, because we're talking about notorious spammer and wannabe staff here.

if its has a very limited number of invites, the traders won't get it anyway. i propose to be cool and let them bump their own thread a few times. after a few bumps they will painfully notice themselves that they can't get what they want.

if you want to show what sort of ideal member you are, ignore the its trade threads and let them die a sudden death. there's no need to show them your superiority.

hardcore traders don't trade to get invites, they do it for fun. i've read some its trade attempts where i was quite sure, that the trader wasn't interested in the tracker at all.
all he wanted was to proof himself and others, that he could get it via trading.

those people want recognition, attention and a feeling of success. every reply, every pm they get gives them a certain satisfaction.
the more they bump their thread, the more they admit their own defeat.
that hurts more than (un)funny pictures and a rule lecture.

if you want to hit the trader hard and support your tracker - ignore all threads that contain the letters "its" in the invite section.

i promise you after a while they will disappear like magic.

be active on its, not in invite trading threads!

nicely put bear!

hope things change after this thread lol

this thread sure generated more publicity than needed for i*S

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duh duh duh dededededede...deh deh deh deh deh deh. :smilie4:

Thanks Detale for this ;) awesome

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this thread sure generated more publicity than needed for i*S

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i think now some non-traders will become traders :lol: lol

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i think now some non-traders will become traders :lol: lol

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You think wrong.

one thing about change is...i never happens over night...or because of 1 or few threads it takes a lot more than this to bring any change.....and even if anything would change it would be temporary....soo dont lose your sleep over it