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Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
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Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
Yeah.
Nobody is claiming to be Mr Perfect, I work hard to maintain my ratio's on my 16/1 home connection I take pride in it actually and when I hear about ratio cheating it annoys me it goes against everything the true spirit of filesharing is all about, filesharing is my hobby, it's been a part of my life for a very very long time & I'm talking about days before there's were mobile phones & internet for the general publicQuote:
Originally Posted by SoulEdge01You two are not offending me because I deserve the flames I'm receiving and I know it, the fact is you don't know me and don't know to what extend I "cheated", sometimes people misbehave and that is normal and you or anybody else here isn't an exception, just because you don't "cheat" on a torrent site doesn't mean you're Mr. Perfect who cannot have a misbehavior in other aspects of life and about posting in this thread I'm doing it because I really regret that "cheating" and I'm serious about it. Also I'm not looking for an invite since I already have an account at BCG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
I just genuinely care about the sites I'm committed too and don't want to see them polluted, by cheats, traders, hit n runners and other tardish behaviour
Interesting proposals have been posted on this thread. Very interesting thread.
If i was running a tracker/site and i wanted to recruit new "good" users i'd simply give invites to good users that have been on the site for over a year (older site), six months (younger site)without any problems, issues, etc. Not necessarily power users or super users whatever because a lot of times these kids have seed boxes and can be super crazy users in a freaking week and that says nothing about them as an actual member.
It's the long term members that you want helping to recruit. IMO
true, even some of them will still surprise you, but the vast majority will at least obey your invite rules.
did anyone actually mention what defines a good user in the first place ?
I think different people take different attributes into consideration based on their own usage habits. Personally I go for the following, taken from the 5th post in this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinfish
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Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
I didn't really read the FP before i made my first post, but after reading a few more post here I have decided that an application process would be the best way to invite someone. The application's main purpose shouldn't be to reviewed by staff but to insure that the inviter gets to know their invitee. The app/invite should include where that person is from, how'd they use the tracker, Profile stats from 3 or more other "quality" trackers ( provided by them pming the inviter from the site they are using as proof), what's their upload/download speed, and finally, where did they meet that person.
The application itself WONT be reviewed unless infractions are made against the invitee's account. If the inviters invitee's application looks shitty (and thus led that person to be a bad member) then you lose a point against your account. THe points deducted against your account will cause you to lose invites, special privelages, or ultimately your account.
With something like this in place it will allow people to get to know the person they invite or face the consequences.
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Originally Posted by Time-TravellerI think different people take different attributes into consideration based on their own usage habits. Personally I go for the following, taken from the 5th post in this thread:
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Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
i agree except for the torrents upped because not everyone has stuff to add but they do help just as much by keeping the torrents upped by others alive as long as possible etc. but otherwise spot on
invite new users to join a holding area forum with the promise of getting into a VIP area, new users have to make 500 serious posts before allowing them into the VIP site, or deciding to let them some other way.
in the vip site have a small group of the people you trust allready, but they use the holding area forum too so the new users can see their stars and makes newbs want to become vips. :shifty:
Profile stats from other "quality" trackers? My first closed tracker was bitme, from someone I don't "really" know but I was all good intention. And it was really hard to get that invite.
I'm brazilian, slow connections and, at first, it was hard to keep the ratio but you don't mess with something that was hard to get and that you really use and like (need).
The bad in all of this is that having a collection of good trackers means "status" everywhere and try harder trackers is quite challenging and addicting until you discover that you don't need more than 3 or 4 trackers or even that you don't have time to be a good user in 10 trackers. Whith lots of unused trackers, you know what comes next...
In this case I must say that my slow connections came for good as I never had many trackers. I admit I got some opensignups just to see "what's inside the box" and never came back, but no mess with those accounts too and here I "try" to show my respect to those trackers that I simple didn't like.
Ah, and I got my bitme account for free, because one guy was nice to me, so why don't be nice to others too? 3 invites to 3 "internet nice guys", and all of them swore that they would never cheat. Today I'm a happy VIP user with no invites, thanks to the nice bitme staff that spared my account.
As a christian I have a christian tracker account and is really annoying to think that some people get invites there (even saying they're christians when they are not) just for trades or who knows what! =/
Because all of this and much, much more I'm a more realistic guy today. Don't know how to get just good users.
I have (or think I still have) a parked account at bitmetv for months now. How could I blame them for blocking my entire country? Is it fair? Cheating is not fair too and that tracker have good reasons for what they did.
At the end, I can't thing about anything that could be totally fair to everybody, good and bad users. =/
btw, this is a really nice topic!
Like I said my suggestion is basically there as an after the fact resource. Meaning, basically the app is just an invite that people have to put some effort into getting to know their invitee before they generate it. It is only if the inviter invites a bad member (cheater, trader, etc.) that the application actually will be reviewed. Based on the quality of the responses on the application they can see if the inviter actually put any effort into the application or not. If it seems that the inviter put a half-assed effort into the application and if they keep inviting losers, then they face consequences.
Now, the reason I put in things like speed and stats from quality trackers, I meant them to be there as benchmarks. If the invitee has X speed and has Dl/ul x amount from x trackers, when he gets invited and then he gets caught for cheating then it means that it's possible that the inviter wasn't putting any attention into that persons stats. The quality of a tracker is relative to what kind of tracker that my invite policy would be invited too . IE if your running a community tracker than stats from the big F's and whatnot could be considered quality.
This could have good and bad side effects, but honestly it works better than you might think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
It often happens that the newbs, in their extreme desire to achieve that which is beyond their grasp or considered "golden," will totally transform into model examples of a good user for whatever community it might be.
Sure, there will be those who never get it, and only fake at being good. But there are lots and lots of people who, if given the right role models and supervision, can become excellent community members and contributors.
That is why I made the random suggestion of having a sister or "dummy" site earlier in this thread.
Basically, this is what people do at smaller BT forums. If your looking to recruit members of a forum FST is probably not the best place to start.
I definitely do not agree with this "application" stuff--if a site can't trust it's long-term members/staff/mods etc to give out invites then who can you trust? Might as well just open signups and roll the dice. :P
Also, when we are talking about "good" members i don't think it should be restricted to "500" posts or "uploading amounts", "donation" etc. A good member is a member that follows the sites rules and contributes the best they can in whichever way they can. Period.
and knowing about this application, the user could tend to know just about the needful (or substantial) infos about the invited while the "yet non-users" will tend to 'act' like if they where in a interview for a new job... don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoeygirly
Agreed. There should be life beyound internet :PQuote:
Originally Posted by zoeygirly
If you work, study, have a girlfriend/wife... if you have a normal life, you'll never have time for all of this. Maybe you'll find time to keep in touch with the tracker you like most, maybe two and no more.
And if we have like 4 or 5 trackers, we'll always end up not being a active user in some of them, which I assume that is not so good (as it could be) to the community, even if I keep good ratios and follow all rules.
I like people who post, forums/irc
of course i also know many dont like to for theyre own reason, and are still good users.
i think most will agree that they need to be active (in some way) and obey your rules. anything else is a bonus.
I totally agree - so far, i invited 3 persons to KG from a yahoo! group dedicated to independent movies and all i can say is that they turned out to be good members in the longer term (after a bit of "torrent education" of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by mamacitaQuote:
Originally Posted by integral
Good point, meant to mention that myself. I'd love to see recruiting done in active forums that have nothing to do with torrenting. Of course, those people recruited from these places would need a little "hand holding" at first.
O'Really:dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by mamacita
Next time plz read carefully(if you did you would see what was my thought and i wrote in quote) someones post and write somethig "usefull" that is exactly what i was talking about and now "spamming" oneself...
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At least my last post is not class of spamming cuz someone can get something usefull :ermm: like "read someones post if you will write a target post"....
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Well, that was why i wrote my thoughts with different fonts and dont think to you will read this edit too but I wanted to edit my post cuz i already started to think i spammed enough (for me) and look like stoi far away from the topic....
Just for future reference RedRansom, its not a good idea to write what you want to say within a quote of someone else. I'm not about to read through a quote of a post i've already read.
Anyways, my indignation was at the fact that you claim that most of the posts in this thread were spam only because you saw there were lots of posts in very little time.
I beg to differ
I've been having hard times finding good members like what you've said to KG since not much of the human beings really really love indie movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephiliaI totally agree - so far, i invited 3 persons to KG from a yahoo! group dedicated to independent movies and all i can say is that they turned out to be good members in the longer term (after a bit of "torrent education" of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by mamacita
If you've got a few to recommend then do tell me through PM, I'll be likely to invite them to KG after a small interview.
I'm PU on KG if you were wondering. :)
Mamacita he had lot valid points in his reply, and he dedicated his time to write a realistic response to stoi's question.Quote:
Originally Posted by mamacita
Randsom is right, next time dedicate more time to reading the whole post before assuming it's spam.
Like I said, why would I read through a quote of a post I've already read? I don't have the time to sit and be a forum freak.
I'm sorry I missed what he said within the quote, but what i said still stands. He bashed the thread, and there's tons of constructive posts in the thread.
BCG is an example of how a private tracker should be run.
I am the softest staff member that we have, so if i did not have any other staff, or i debated every decision/overruled them, no one would get banned full stop, i am all for give them 1 more chance, that punishment was a bit harsh wasnt it.
But I need staff like Cirno and Pezby who are sticklers for the rules and wont take any crap from anyone, if i did not have staff like those, then the site would be a complete mess, even i can see that.
and as most people knows, Cheating stats on a tracker, is probably the worst sin you can do, so it deserves an outright ban.
omg are u still moaning about bcg, dude serious u need to get over it and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulEdge01
:frusty:
But i have already gave you my answer, talk to cirno but i do not think you will get back in.
Cirno is a Sysop, I am a Sysop, we are both the same rank, so i trust him and i will not override him, especially when you yourself has admitted that you cheated anyway.
why what will that achieve, maybe ever person who lost their account should have a chat to and get there accounts back.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulEdge01
Cool.
you may think i give a damn as well, which i dont.
SoulEdge, you should quickly forget about this.
You might anger Stoi, and as he said recently, now they do the extra mile to report cheaters to other trackers.
so you are risking a lot doing that.
Yeah, thats dangerous.
i think you didn't quite understand the message i was trying to pass you, but i'll rephrase it for you, in good old fashioned english:Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulEdge01I'm not telling you should give a damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
for your own sake, you should STFU and GTFO ASAP.
could not of said it better, been trying to tell this guy, but he just dont want to listen. Its like his life has ended since he has lost bcg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
lol
I just seen your account, tbh that is how much i give a shit, i havnt even looked at your account until now.
you even tried to get askew1 to change the decision, but he never believed a word of it, problem with your client wasnt it, even though, you already admited you cheated in here so hmm, lies and cheating.
Everybody happy.
:noes:omg :frusty::frusty::frusty:
Game over.
took you long...Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulEdge01
Stoi
Your invite system was a good idea but is to several sometimes. for example, my referee invite two traders and the two traders was banned my referee got + 200Gb down in your account and I got + 100Gb. When I see that I got + 100Gb I said “WTF S*** happened” after that I talk with Cirno and my referee and know the whole thing. On beginning I said “it's ok’’ but latter I start to think “It was not that fair, I can't control who him invited, this is out of my heads” I only invite two persons because I don’t want hurt my account but now I know that people that them invite can hurt my account to.
That's freak me out :fear: