why not switch to usenet?

Just as you say torrent users could live without torrents if they were to switch to usenet, usenet users could just as easily live without usenet if they were to switch to torrents.

As for usenet having more content available, I suppose so if you also count the unknown numbers of just plain garbage that is there as well. I have never had to search through more than a few torrent sites to find ANYTHING I want, ever. If you go the torrent route you don't just use one or two sites, you have a handful of them according to your needs, so your not searching hundreds of trackers or even a dozen. I always get what I want within minutes. In the last year alone I have downloaded and shared over 15 TB of good files not garbage, on just 2 sites, so others have also benefited from my use of torrents. I would not call that a waste of time, and I doubt the people that got the files from me didn't think so either. I doubt that most usenet users have come within spitting distance of that much traffic.

Like I said before, both have their advantages it's all relative and I don't draw the distinction between the two really when one word covers both users: Pirates. The internet is a pretty damn big sea, certainly big enough for us all to dip our beaks and enjoy it no matter how we do it. Saying one is better than the other is like saying that Baptist is better than Catholic.

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Just as you say torrent users could live without torrents if they were to switch to usenet, usenet users could just as easily live without usenet if they were to switch to torrents.

As for usenet having more content available, I suppose so if you also count the unknown numbers of just plain garbage that is there as well. I have never had to search through more than a few torrent sites to find ANYTHING I want, ever. If you go the torrent route you don't just use one or two sites, you have a handful of them according to your needs, so your not searching hundreds of trackers or even a dozen. I always get what I want within minutes. In the last year alone I have downloaded and shared over 15 TB of good files not garbage, on just 2 sites, so others have also benefited from my use of torrents. I would not call that a waste of time, and I doubt the people that got the files from me didn't think so either. I doubt that most usenet users have come within spitting distance of that much traffic.

Like I said before, both have their advantages it's all relative and I don't draw the distinction between the two really when one word covers both users: Pirates. The internet is a pretty damn big sea, certainly big enough for us all to dip our beaks and enjoy it no matter how we do it. Saying one is better than the other is like saying that Baptist is better than Catholic.

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Do you even know what you are talking about? Let's just talk regular scene releases which most trackers have. Now imagine having access to 250 days of those releases. And you are talking about usenet traffic? lol Usenet gets the most traffic. Just think about everything that gets uploaded to usenet daily. if you can't find stuff on usenet well then you really don't know what you are doing because like I said. It's very simple.

I have had to go through mmmm 20 torrent sites looking for a movie for example and I have had to get it, either on Usenet or a warez forum. That's why I switched because I found that BT was a waste of my time. Now I really don't use torrent sites. Unless I'm looking for something that I know it would only be in a tracker like Underground-Gamer or Pleasuredome etc...

Not only that. You must leave your client seeding, you have to use your bandwidth till you have met the seeding requierements for that tracker. Where you could have been using your bandwidth for gaming or using your system resources for something else. Seriously, you are not done with your download till you have seeded back what you need to.

Oh yeah by your post I can tell that you really have no idea of the amount of content that usenet has lol. Just think about this. A music tracker has what mmmm like 160,000 torrents. A General tracker may have over 20,000 torrents and remember that tracker's really won't have everything that was uploaded months ago. Basically just the newer stuff and the really popular stuff that still gets hits. On the other hand usenet gets everything released on the scene and it stays there a really long time. That's not counting what a ot of forums release on usenet with non scene names.

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When I checked Karagarga's content like 8 months ago there was not a movie I recognized. It made me wonder who really needs this tracker.

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Really? Just because a movie doesnt star Russel Crowe or Will Smith and isnt whored out by Hollywood doesn't mean its not a good film.

Holy shit I never cease to be amazed.

Saulin,
Do you bother to read the thread and you ask me if I know what I am talking about? I have already stated many of these things earlier. You missed the fact that with the proliferation of no ratio sites your argument concerning maintaining ratio is just not a very strong one, anyone can become members at a few different no ratio sites. I have already stated this. I don't need access to a zillion different files, I am only interested in 0-day and BT fits my needs. I also stated in an earlier post, I have no need for a file that has been out a year either so retention time is just not of any value to me personally, just as I don't care about how long they stay on trackers either.

As for the amount of traffic, not that it really matters but when I spoke of that I spoke of personal numbers not BT or Usenet as whole. If you have to search 20 trackers and you can't find what your looking for that is current then you must have the sorriest trackers known to man. I don't really frequent warez sites for stuff so I can't really say much about those. As for usenet content no I don't know exactly whats on there but I have a real good idea that it's the same thing thats available on torrents. If it has any value to people and if it is on usenet then it will be on one of my trackers of that I have no doubt. Bottom line to the total traffic question between usenet and torrents as a whole is who gives a rats ass?

At least do people the courtesy of reading the thread and all their thoughts and post before you decide to comment. You could have saved yourself a few minutes had you known that the items you addressed have already been talked about. I have also already stated that both forms have their good sides, and that it is just a matter of personal choice and really no need to go back and forth over which is better? Some people dig the usenet and thats fine with me, I don't care how you get your loot as long as your getting it and your not snitching on me. I don't want to beat a dead horse, so I am not going to go through point by point here, it's a matter of personal preference, they both serve a function to those that use them. No one way is the ultimate solution, they both have trade offs, it's just a matter of choice. There is no evil side to the argument and there is no war.

It's simply a matter of how do you want to get your files. Usenet is convenient and fast. Less trouble. That's whay you pay for it. BT is for those that don't mind looking at different sources or waiting longer to get the files and I don't mean pre times here. I mean wether what you want will be available and whether you will get good download speeds. If you haven't noticed there are a few people that switch to usenet because it's simply easier and faster when it comes to grabbing stuff. Oh yeah you may not care about tracking down old releases but many people do. That's one of Usenet's strengths. Astraweb is at 250 days of retention and Giganews it's at 260.

I do agree with you and I said it since my first post. Both sources are good and the truth is that if you want to be sure that you can get everything you can, then you need both sources and also warez forums because when usenet and BT fail, usually you can find what you want on some warez forum or site.

Oh about me searching through 20 BT sites. That's not joke and that included ScT, TL, RevTT, SCC, Demonoid etc... You can have all the trackers you want but not even all of them put together will have everything you may want. The same goes for usenet. It has a lot of content but obviously not everything. Oh yeah I guess you also should read all my posts on this subject :). Obviously I preffer usenet and I have my good reasons, I also have my good reasons about why I don't like to use BT much and I have explained them.

For the record I have read the whole thread, a couple of times in fact looking for some usenet info as I said I am going to give it another look. I think the file you must have had such trouble finding was no doubt a older file and not a fresh one which is as we both know usenet will absolutely have the advantage in terms of life and speed since it is so old on a torrent site it is unlikely to have more than a couple of seeders by then.

It seems we have reached a consensus then, usenet and torrents both have their supporters and both have great content and allow for people to communicate and share, taking a break from the everyday bullshit that is so prevalent in the world. While the suckers continue to bow to the man, there are still people in the world willing to buck the system.

It's also good to see someone respond with intelligence rather than flaming, should not have to say this but it is nice to see and appreciated. See? We can get along despite the fact that you prefer to pay for your pirated material! Just kidding, peace.

it also seems that saulin doesn't know how torrenting works.
saulin, give me the title of "the film you didn't find anywhere", i'm pretty sure i can do something for you :yup:

I think he finally found it on usenet that was his point.

But if he uses Usenet, then warez forums, then Bittorrent, how come it took him so long to find it, and why did he look at torrents first for it, when his whole argument is based on he prefers usenet and he looks there first for everything.

I may be being pedantic, been up all night with the baby, but i think i bring up a pretty good point, surely he would have looked at usenet first, found it, so never even bothered to look at torrents.

I have a feeling he is telling a little white lie here, just to make usenet sound great and torrents sound shite.

each to their own though.

lol. If memory serves me right I think it was "Blood in, Blood Out" DVD9 and that was before I moved to Usenet. I started using BT heavy since 2007 but I really found hard finding some stuff. Especially when it comes to applications. You have to look in different trackers. It's much easier just doing a search on warez boards or usenet. I also had a hard time finding Alive 1993. I think SweDVDR had it but only 1 seed and it was going so slow. I can't remember where I ended up getting it from. That was before I moved to HD. Now I try to get only movies in 720p if they are available, then DVD9.

Since probably 8 months I mainly use usenet. I have had all those hard to find trackers and one thing that bugged me is how hard it is to seed on some trackers like ScT and BitmeTV and Bitme. So you can't just go crazy leeching what you want. That's one of the big cons of BT. And not all trackers that are free leech actually have great content. I do have to say that BCG probably has the best seeding system in the whole BT world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/usenet

"Usenet is distributed among a large, constantly changing conglomeration of servers which store and forward messages to one another. These servers are loosely connected in a variable mesh (Think of it as a spider web. There are multiple ways to get to any point in the web, so if any of those ways is blocked for any reason, there is always another way to get there, allowing the information to reach its destination safely. In this manner, one can easily see that it would be hard indeed to prevent the spread of information across Usenet.) Individual users may read messages from and post messages to a local server operated by their ISP, university or employer. The servers then exchange the messages between one another, making the messages available to readers beyond the original server.

Removal of copyrighted content from the entire usenet network is a nearly impossible task, due to the rapid propagation between servers and the retention done by each server. Petitioning a usenet provider for removal only removes it from that one server's retention cache, but not any others. It is possible for a special post cancellation message to be distributed to remove it from all servers, but many providers ignore cancel messages by standard policy, because they can be easily falsified and submitted by anyone. For a takedown petition to be most effective across the whole network, it would have to be issued to the origin server to which the content has been posted, but has not yet been propagated to other servers. Removal of the content at this early stage would prevent further propagation, but with modern high speed links, content can be propagated as fast as it arrives, allowing no time for content review and takedown issuance by copyright holders.

Establishing the identity of the person posting illegal content is equally difficult due to the trust-based design of the network. Like SMTP email, servers generally assume the header and origin information in a post is true and accurate. However, as in SMTP email, Usenet post headers are easily falsified so as to obscure the true identity and location of the message source. In this manner, Usenet is significantly different from modern P2P services; most P2P users distributing content are typically immediately identifiable to all other users by their network address, but the origin information for a usenet posting can be completely obscured and unobtainable once it has propagated past the origin server.

Also unlike modern P2P services, the identity of the downloaders is hidden from view. On P2P services a downloader is identifiable to all others by their network address. On Usenet, the downloader connects directly to a server, and only the server knows the address of who is connecting to it."

I should point out that the Simpons torrent hasn't been released yet, and your watching it via Usenet.

The Simpsons S20E18 PROPER HDTV XviD 0TV - has been posted to Usenet, expect one for the x264 to follow.

LOL

You are on just crappy torrent sites.

Any of the high up torrent sites will get files literally seconds after pre.

The Simpsons S20E18 PROPER HDTV XviD 0TV
Uploaded 20s after pre.


Underworld Rise of the Lycans DVDR-MPTDVD
Uploaded 4m20s after pre.


To settle this, usenet will never get scene content faster then high up private torrent sites as usenet uses private torrent sites to get their files.

LOL

The filesharing Hierarchy

Scene Group
Topsites
Private Torrent Sites
Newsgroups/usenet
Public Torrent sites
rapid share

The Simpsons S20E18 720p HDTV X264 DIMENSION

Added to Usenet - 01:28:31 AM GMT
Added to Torrential Tracker (private) - 03:10:22 AM GMT
Added to NZBMatrix - 05:02:53 AM GMT
Added to EZTV Tracker (public) - Arrival Pending

The Simpsons S20E18 720p HDTV X264-DIMENSION
2009-04-27 01:03:02 GMT

TorrentLeech

I dont know wtf torrential tracker is

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To settle this, usenet will never get scene content faster then high up private torrent sites as usenet uses private torrent sites to get their files.

LOL

The filesharing Hierarchy

Scene Group
Topsites
Private Torrent Sites
Newsgroups/usenet
Public Torrent sites
rapid share

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Surely you don't expect anyone with an ounce of sense to believe that do you?

@Snarkyone - Your problem has been moved here.

Well gee Skizo, I don't know why you moved my post? I didn't start the thread, my participation in this was to go ahead and give the usenet a shot which was the point of that thread it was in. I was trying to show the difference between the two forms and some of the issues that I needed to hassle with that this thread started in regards to Usenet vs BT. I think it really should have been left here or just deleted my post since it was not intended to be a thread upon itself.

That said, whats done is done, and I am not going to cry about it. I just wanted to make it clear that it was not my thread and not so much a problem as an experiment to try and bring some facts to the table so that all can be informed with facts and experience not just some yahoo running his mouth. I don't care if it stays where you put it or if it is returned to here, thats up to you, at least now you are informed about the post and it's purpose, I was not looking for help with a problem, I was sharing the process I was going through over Usenet. Peace!

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The Simpsons S20E18 720p HDTV X264 DIMENSION

Added to Usenet - 01:28:31 AM GMT
Added to Torrential Tracker (private) - 03:10:22 AM GMT
Added to NZBMatrix - 05:02:53 AM GMT
Added to EZTV Tracker (public) - Arrival Pending

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Hey, nice trackers :mellow:

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The Simpsons S20E18 720p HDTV X264 DIMENSION

Added to Usenet - 01:28:31 AM GMT
Added to Torrential Tracker (private) - 03:10:22 AM GMT
Added to NZBMatrix - 05:02:53 AM GMT
Added to EZTV Tracker (public) - Arrival Pending

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You are trying to point out that Usenet has faster pre than private trackers? I mean, cmon, dont be silly. Not that i do give a shit about pretimes, but you are completly wrong on this one.

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The Simpsons S20E18 720p HDTV X264 DIMENSION

Added to Usenet - 01:28:31 AM GMT
Added to Torrential Tracker (private) - 03:10:22 AM GMT

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:huh:

No wonder you like newsgroup so much. Your trackers are terrible!!
SCC pwns pretimes and usually gives me max download speeds.

Heres the stats for that release.
(07:06:17) (@PRE) [PRE SEARCH] [ The.Simpsons.S20E18.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION ] [ TV / Family_Animation ] [ Released 10h 10m 43s ago [4/26/2009] ] [ 585.0MB in 16F ](07:04:31) (@Tracers) [SEARCH] [ The.Simpsons.S20E18.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION ] [ Uploaded first @ SCC 4m 27s after pre, followed by [ThB, ScT, TGB, TL, TD, TV, TB, DH, ScR, HT] ]

Another site not mentioned above that beats ScT roughly 98% of the time on pre-times, and posted is GFT. For that same Simpsons episode GFT dropped at 2009-04-27 01:01:16 with a pre-time of 4 min 34 sec. It took it a while longer to hit usenet for sure. If you have sites like GFT, or Sct, or a couple of others that have great pre times you just won't have a need for usenet. Once again it is all about personal choice really.

More pre- racing shit. Honestly, as if a few hours makes any fucking difference.
Since I don't check usenet until I get home from work, I'm already about 16hrs behind the upload... but on usenet no-one else knows what I'm downloading unless they're already watching me and by then I'd be fucked whichever source I choose.

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More pre- racing shit. Honestly, as if a few hours makes any fucking difference.
Since I don't check usenet until I get home from work, I'm already about 16hrs behind the upload... but on usenet no-one else knows what I'm downloading unless they're already watching me and by then I'd be fucked whichever source I choose.

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Well the reason the pre's were mentioned was because the guy tried to make the point that usenet gets stuff faster than trackers.

All peeps are doing is proving him wrong :)

You really are a twat.

Yet another chapter in that big ass book called "You Can't Please Every Fucking Body". This thread could go on and on until the end of time with no end in site. I can say that I did as I said I would and got a Usenet account with NewsDemon and I did get it at 35% off for the lifetime of the account by using that coupon. That made them drop quite a bit in price. So far though I have not been all that impressed but there is still plenty of time to get to a point I am comfortable doing Usenet if I really had to, I still can't see swapping torrents to usenet though.

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Yet another chapter in that big ass book called "You Can't Please Every Fucking Body". This thread could go on and on until the end of time with no end in site. I can say that I did as I said I would and got a Usenet account with NewsDemon and I did get it at 35% off for the lifetime of the account by using that coupon. That made them drop quite a bit in price. So far though I have not been all that impressed but there is still plenty of time to get to a point I am comfortable doing Usenet if I really had to, I still can't see swapping torrents to usenet though.

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Funny cause I did. It's so much more convienient and I spend much less time tracking things down. The best of all is that you can leech whatever you want cause it's all paid for :)

You are still a rookie to usenet. You need to learn how to find things, what's the best way to grab stuff. The key is searching for stuff without relying on NZB sites. really the adavantage of BT is pre times and who gets a release minutes after it's release? I'm so busy with stuff that I get to the stuff I want days later and sometimes weeks and sometimes months lol.

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The Simpsons S20E18 720p HDTV X264 DIMENSION

Added to Usenet - 01:28:31 AM GMT
Added to Torrential Tracker (private) - 03:10:22 AM GMT
Added to NZBMatrix - 05:02:53 AM GMT
Added to EZTV Tracker (public) - Arrival Pending

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You are trying to point out that Usenet has faster pre than private trackers? I mean, cmon, dont be silly. Not that i do give a shit about pretimes, but you are completly wrong on this one.

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Yea, right.

Fringe S01E18 720p HDTV X264 DIMENSION
Added To Usenet - 04/29/2009 2:49:27 AM GMT
Added To NZBMatrix - 04/29/2009 6:23:08 AM GMT

Fast.and.Furious.R5.LINE.XviD.COALiTiON
Added to Usenet at 6:06
Added to sct 6:34 (my local time is +3 GMT)
lol at your beloved trackers :lol:

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Fast.and.Furious.R5.LINE.XviD.COALiTiON
Added to Usenet at 6:06
Added to sct 6:34
lol at your beloved trackers :lol:

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Now add-in a full bandwidth download (about 30 minutes on cable)... with no need to seed it back.

:fst: > Usenet

Fringe.S01E18.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION
pred: 3 minutes and 9 seconds (2009-04-29 02:18:23)

Fast.and.Furious.R5.LINE.XviD-COALiTiON
pred: 1 minutes and 16 seconds (2009-04-29 03:36:23)

- that is GFT, i believe sct/scc have similar pres, if not better.

So you got your shit on usenet 30 mins before PRE. Impressive. :lol:

that's right usenet owns all 0-day trackers together in every aspect -speed,retention,pres,security,content..... yea keep your bt :ghey: community for you i prefer girlfriends

lol ok if you say so, continue to live under the rock.. i wont argue with an idiot.

anyone recommend fast usenet server from USA please :-D

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lol ok if you say so, continue to live under the rock.. i wont argue with an idiot.

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neither do i ,but the truth is that you don't have arguments :lol:
even staff members at so called high level trackers are using newsgroups think why(if you can)

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anyone recommend fast usenet server from USA please :-D

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Astraweb -http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.html

tnt, how old are you seriously ? can't you read previous posts and participate constructively instead of saying sh*t ? :pinch:

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that's right usenet owns all 0-day trackers together in every aspect -speed,retention,pres,security,content..... yea keep your bt :ghey: community for you i prefer girlfriends

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typical fanboi nonsense

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that's right usenet owns all 0-day trackers together in every aspect -speed,retention,pres,security,content..... yea keep your bt :ghey: community for you i prefer girlfriends

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why talk shit?

lets compare sct and usenet. Okey:

speed, no difference, i have 100/100 and I maxx it all the time.

retention, sct pwns usenet so motherfucking hard! sct's oldest torrent is from 2005-09-21 03:39:31. and brace yourself, it has 10 seeders ;) So speed wont be a problem there. Hmm, I wonder if your usenet provider has retention over 3 years...

pres, no way, usenet can go hide. their pres are worse than all rather good torrentsites.

Stop talking shit, you may like usenet, but get your facts straight before you talk

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Originally Posted by tnt

that's right usenet owns all 0-day trackers together in every aspect -speed,retention,pres,security,content..... yea keep your bt :ghey: community for you i prefer girlfriends

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why talk shit?

lets compare sct and usenet. Okey:

speed, no difference, i have 100/100 and I maxx it all the time.

retention, sct pwns usenet so motherfucking hard! sct's oldest torrent is from 2005-09-21 03:39:31. and brace yourself, it has 10 seeders ;) So speed wont be a problem there. Hmm, I wonder if your usenet provider has retention over 3 years...

pres, no way, usenet can go hide. their pres are worse than all rather good torrentsites.

Stop talking shit, you may like usenet, but get your facts straight before you talk

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Sorry but no tracker can beat usenet on retention. I had to call you on that. Let's put it this way. Usenet has the same retention all the way. Torrents have good retention on some torrents. Most of them should be a few months old. And yes they may be old releases from years ago but they have not been up for years.

In fact one drawback of torrenting is that something could be uploaded but months later it has no seeds. Then the guy that has it starts seeding again and it shows up again. Then dies and this just continues. Where on Usenet all uploads are up always and well, we now have over 260 days of retention on usenet.

I'm sorry but there isn't a single tracker that could take on usnet. You are wrong. Get your facts straight.

Oh and BTW ScT having a torrent 3 years old is nothing to be proud of. On usenet you can find stuff that was released probably 10 years ago.

The only trackers that can have very long retention are public trackers and demonoid which is pretty much a public tracker. But again speeds are garbage and they are not safe.

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I'm sorry but there isn't a single tracker that could take on usnet. You are wrong. Get your facts straight.

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I'd be interested to know what trackers you have actually used.