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Originally Posted by brotherdoobie
Good to see ya up here, doobie!:)
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Originally Posted by brotherdoobie
Good to see ya up here, doobie!:)
darn your posts are hard to read with the lack of paragraphs but good god you write well!!...so as it is, I just have to respond since I loved reading this (sorry for the late response though as I didn't have a net connection for last 2-3 days)...anyways so here goes (i'll try breaking your response into separate quotes)
I agree with this part...humans have always been selfish and have always done things (in the past) that have benefited them more than others (survival tactics really)...however, with the existence of civilizations now...one is expected (and hoped) to act in a much more friendly nature...its not about "me" anymore...its about "us"...so in that sense, being selfish or acting purely on instincts is no longer a fair call (all other aspects assumed to be constant)Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
Again those circumstances are no longer valid as that is not what we are taught or expected to act as...heck, even animals help out their comrades at times - and we are supposed to act in a whole lot more mature manner than them...again its all philosophical but its not a whole lot more unrealistic than what Maslow seems to claim (or LOTF seems to suggest - just look at Piggy and his actions!)Quote:
Consider the examination of this in literature: Lord of the Flies, is one that comes to mind. This is not an abstract concept. This is human nature in action. We are animals, never forget it. Consider Mazlow's hierarchy of needs. Self-actualization is possible only when the foundations beneath are met. If our sense of survival is threatened, we will act accordingly.
Well, I've never faced these situations so me judging them would be heavily unfair...that said, if a person resorts to cannibalism against say, their best friend or their own family...then I don't even need to judge them - they've shown their character already (and how much they cared for these supposedly-special people)...Quote:
You think during times of duress, that it is that easy to stand firm? POW's were often placed in situations of compromise, and there were times they gave up their comrades, in order to live one more day. People who are lost, stranded, left to survive - sometimes had to resort to cannibalism. Did they think at the time, they would of done such an egregious thing? Likely not, but they did anyway. The only ones who judge and condemn the difficult choices made by men and women in these circumstances are those who never had to face such a difficult choice themselves.
Mind you, just like cannibalism exists, at the other end of the spectrum, we also have cases where people willingly sacrifice themselves just to protect others (and both sides are very realistic imo)..its all about a person's character and self-control (among other things)
Believe me, even if I was in a case similar to the above...I would still not snitch on anyone...if it is indeed my fault, then I will happily (ok maybe not happily) take all the blame for my actions regardless of the circumstancesQuote:
I now rephrase my postulations. Let us say, yes - you are culpable to the max. You are in it as high to your neck as your co-conspirators. Your choices at that moment is not just about you and your friend. Nor is it about you and a value system. It is about you.. and survival. You and jail. One can say, I'd never bail on my friend. Are you ready to bail on your wife? What if it is a choice between your wife, and your friend. What if it is a choice between your friend, and your fear of jail: A grinding fear of what might happen to you in there. A fear of confinement, a fear of losing your children. Animalistic. We are animals. We will act to self-survive. I strive to live a decent life. I hope never to be placed in such a difficult moral dilemma, but I have the foresight to know that I cant predict - absolutely - how I can be when all the variables that will shape my decision are not yet known. phew...
In all truth, anyone who says they would prioritize their family (or in other words, themselves) over others are no different than the real-life criminals...always remember, in such instances, everyone loses something...just because you get off lightly and have a family to go back to...there's also someone else who pays the price and loses out on their family (or what not)
If I was indeed guilty and made someone else pay the price...I'd honestly regret my actions all my life and would probably end up dying in shame
In closing, I'd like to use a very commonly used quote which I think fits here very well
"Do unto others what you want to be done onto"
In short, do not snitch on others if you don't want others to do the same...trust is everything, you lose it once and it will never come back - hence the domino effect (you cheat on me, I cheat on someone else and so on...its a never-ending saga until someone takes a firm stance and accepts their mistakes fully)
Its just my opinion ofcourse but I hope I got my message across decently
Cheers!
p.s. I also want to make one thing clear which I didn't mention yet (forgot about it)...when I say I'll take the blame, I'm obviously only saying this when it is indeed "my fault"...I will never take any responsibility for anybody else's actions (and don't expect them to do the same - although I know some people who'd disagree here)...I may take responsibility for my family's actions but even then, I expect them to realize their mistake before I admit to their faults
In short, I'm not "foolish" enough to take other people's blame...yet am not "clever" enough to blame others for my mistakes either
Just look at the most successful people anywhere. All of them have friends and family that they care about, but they also have a 'fuck everybody else' mentality. You think any of them sits around and wastes their life discussing philosophy? Selfishness is the driving force of life and if you hate on people for it you probably don't like yourself that much and envy people who do.Quote:
Originally Posted by kooltilldend
wow that's a bit rude if I'd say so (and not to me, rather to these celebs)...you can't just "fuck everybody else" and have a successful career...ever heard of the term networking? yeah its supposed to mean the opposite...Bill Gates would be nowhere if Steve Ballmer wasn't running MS today (and rest assure they weren't "friends" when Gates started the company or when Ballmer joined - whichever position he started out as)...Tom Cruise would be nowhere if hadn't met the likes of Steven Spielberg, etc (and vice versa)...even today, Bill Gates can't just say "fuck Ballmer" and expect to remain at the top of the league...it takes a joint effort to succeed...and one person can ruin it all (I don't know the exact quote but it goes something like one dirty fish can make the whole lake stink)Quote:
Originally Posted by BenjaminJust look at the most successful people anywhere. All of them have friends and family that they care about, but they also have a 'fuck everybody else' mentality. You think any of them sits around and wastes their life discussing philosophy? Selfishness is the driving force of life and if you hate on people for it you probably don't like yourself that much and envy people who do.Quote:
Originally Posted by kooltilldend
Also these celebs have a "vision" which gets them where they are today...they don't "stab" (or in other terms, snitch) others to get where they are...yes, running a business can be cut-throat (due to the competition) but even then, everyone knows they are in it together...Microsoft maybe eternal rivals against Apple but even Microsoft knows they only exist due to them (Jobs/MS 1980's - you probably know what I mean)
p.s. I'd just like to mention there's a difference between grabbing an opportunity and "abusing" authority to destroy someone else's existence...and if people still don't feel any remorse when they do the latter...well then there's not a whole lot of difference between them and a cold-blooded murderer or serial killer who doesn't give a "rat's" (pun very much intended) ass about others
hope that makes sense
edit: i forgot to mention another thing...if you think discussing life's "philosophy" is a waste of time then you are either just downright naive or ignorant...life isn't lived by what you possess (i.e. materialistic crap) or by who you know (that's career - not life)...life is analyzed by what you do...by who you are (i.e. abstract - or in other words, philosophical aspects)
Mahatma Gandhi would be nobody today if it wasn't for his "philosophies"...Martin Luther King would be non-existent, etc etc...you could perhaps suggest all of these people are "stupid" that they cared more about "others" than about themselves (and not all the people they saved/helped were their "friends" since it was one of Gandhi's followers that killed him for e.g.)...but at the end of the day, everyone knows who Gandhi/King is...does anyone other than your "family and friends" know who you are? i'm afraid not
Honestly I can't stress this enough...if you "snitch" on others (in the most genuine terms) then you really do not appreciate "life" - call it philosophy or what have you...but that's what it is...in the simplest of terms
Its just an opinion though so take it with a pinch of salt if you must
Is that really true though? That these people did not step over others to get where they are? Plus these guys you mention would snitch in a heartbeat.
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Originally Posted by kooltilldendwow that's a bit rude if I'd say so (and not to me, rather to these celebs)...you can't just "fuck everybody else" and have a successful career...ever heard of the term networking? yeah its supposed to mean the opposite...Bill Gates would be nowhere if Steve Ballmer wasn't running MS today (and rest assure they weren't "friends" when Gates started the company or when Ballmer joined - whichever position he started out as)...Tom Cruise would be nowhere if hadn't met the likes of Steven Spielberg, etc (and vice versa)...even today, Bill Gates can't just say "fuck Ballmer" and expect to remain at the top of the league...it takes a joint effort to succeed...and one person can ruin it all (I don't know the exact quote but it goes something like one dirty fish can make the whole lake stink)Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjamin
Also these celebs have a "vision" which gets them where they are today...they don't "stab" (or in other terms, snitch) others to get where they are...yes, running a business can be cut-throat (due to the competition) but even then, everyone knows they are in it together...Microsoft maybe eternal rivals against Apple but even Microsoft knows they only exist due to them (Jobs/MS 1980's - you probably know what I mean)
p.s. I'd just like to mention there's a difference between grabbing an opportunity and "abusing" authority to destroy someone else's existence...and if people still don't feel any remorse when they do the latter...well then there's not a whole lot of difference between them and a cold-blooded murderer or serial killer who doesn't give a "rat's" (pun very much intended) ass about others
hope that makes sense
do you personally know any of these people that you can say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by pone44Is that really true though? That these people did not step over others to get where they are? Plus these guys you mention would snitch in a heartbeat.
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Originally Posted by kooltilldend
all I or you know is what we are "shown"...how true it is (or isn't), is open to discussion
besides there's a number of celebs who would indeed "snitch" on others (or so it seems anyways)...but then again, I, for one, don't want to be like them anyways
btw I would just like to add that I've totally enjoyed this discussion ever since I've popped in here (it seems like a much more sane discussion than earlier when it just seemed like mindless bashing from both sides)
if we could indeed continue this discussion in the current manner, I'd absolutely love to talk about this for a long long time :happy:
oh and for anyone who's probably thinking I'm a 50 year old who's overly preachy...well I'm just 22...I guess I just uphold myself to standards higher than expected (or so it seems anyways)...but I personally think it will just lead me to a better life and def. a more positive lifestyle...if it does indeed mean, I'll get cheated upon (hasn't happened so far but I can't predict the future so who knows) then so be it...I'll just take it as a cause of my actions and move on...I'm def. not changing "my beliefs" for some1 who doesn't agree with them though (and don't expect others to do any different either)
I guess I just enjoy talking about abstract concepts more than what seems to be mostly be the case around these parts
oh well...
Yeah, Bill gates is my uncle. Exactly what I was saying to you, do you know these people? It depends on the situation really,not pride or principles all the time. I don't agree with throwing someone under the bus at all. Can't be so close minded. Not speaking to you kooltilthe or at anyone specifically.
Celebs have more to lose. It is about leverage.
Was being sarcastic. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by kooltilldenddo you personally know any of these people that you can say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by pone44
all I or you know is what we are "shown"...how true it is (or isn't), is open to discussion
besides there's a number of celebs who would indeed "snitch" on others...but then again, I, for one, don't want to be like them anyways
lol sorry I didn't catch the sarcasm (yeah I'm slow :P )Quote:
Originally Posted by pone44Yeah, Bill gates is my uncle. Exactly what I was saying to you, do you know these people? It depends on the situation really,not pride or principles all the time. I don't agree with throwing someone under the bus at all. Can't be so close minded. Not speaking to you kooltilthe or at anyone specifically.
Celebs have more to lose. It is about leverage.
Was being sarcastic. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by kooltilldend
I'm glad you see my point though and I agree that everything is open to discussion (hence why I am loving this thread)...that said, a person shouldn't "compare" their morals with that of someone else (not even someone who's known for them like Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi, Dalai Lama, etc)
its my firm belief that if you keep "judging" your actions to others...you'll never reach the heights you could otherwise achieve...afterall, only unless you aim for the stars, can you reach the skies :happy:
or in other terms, you have to aim for the very top if you want to get even close...the lower you aim, even lower shall you achieve
p.s. I also agree that circumstances play a very significant role...there are times when one (or even me) may not be able to accept the punishment for their actions...in such scenarios, assuming the cause is genuine, I would at the very least be very grateful for whoever takes the blame for me and would most def. feel sorrow for my actions (and would perhaps atone by helping someone else - or even that person if I could)...either way, that's not "snitching" as I wouldn't be putting the blame on the other person...it would be a "mutual agreement" so to speak
@kooltilldend You sit on your computer and spam forums all day long. So excuse me if I don't take your opinion on this topic seriously. That's just how I feel, I have nothing against you.
Sorry kool, looks like you have caught yourself an anal wart. Good luck wiping him off your ass...Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjamin
You sure you're not self projecting on me? I don't have people creating threads about me.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
As usual, you don't know anything. He's a friend and he did it as a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenjaminYou sure you're not self projecting on me? I don't have people creating threads about me.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
From the Lounge:
@Benny (continued) You've found a new ass to host you. I am sure you will make a good prop for kool as well. Just keep doing what you are doing. I am sure kool will be able to make you his bitch in no time.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaliceI was only joshing with you, man. Glad you thought it was fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
I don't like it up there. At least you bring a little intelligence in that section.
Even if it is coma-inducing.
MGM, I see you are doing some new friends... :)
I'll give you a chance to qualify that, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryant
It all depends on the 'doing' verb.
I'm all ears and chainsaws, like.
What's wrong with it being intentional?Quote:
Originally Posted by chaliceI'll give you a chance to qualify that, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryant
It all depends on the 'doing' verb.
I'm all ears and chainsaws, like.
well I never expected you to take me seriously so no surprises there...there's an obvious difference between our thinking and more importantly, our ethics (or the lack of them depends on the perspective)Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjamin
but hey...whatever floats your boat I say...
Nothing. Nothing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by RartWhat's wrong with it being intentional?Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
Apart from the fact that I'm a married man with 3 kids and MBM has got twins on the way.
It would seriously let our women down, like.
heh no worries mate...I've seen my share of "ignorants" as well...perhaps I'll just get another added to my list (assuming I get a fancy little bitchy response for this which I'm sure I will :happy: )Quote:
Originally Posted by megabytemeSorry kool, looks like you have caught yourself an anal wart. Good luck wiping him off your ass...Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjamin
Friends don't want to hurt your feelings, they will criticize you in a joking way, but that criticism should be taken seriously. I'm feeling nice, I bolded the important part for you. Are you really that slow? I can't imagine what would've happened to you if chalice was clear with you, even an indirect thread got you all worked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
This proves my theory that dumb people befriend each other, stickup for each other, etc. No wonder social darwinism never worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
You are the only guy I have ever come across that could get a "0" on a multiple choice test. You just don't have it in you to be correct, do you? :pinch:Quote:
Originally Posted by BenjaminFriends don't want to hurt your feelings, they will criticize you in a joking way, but that criticism should be taken seriously. I'm feeling nice, I bolded the important part for you. Are you really that slow? I can't imagine what would've happened to you if chalice was clear with you, even an indirect thread got you all worked up.This proves my theory that dumb people befriend each other, stickup for each other, etc. No wonder social darwinism never worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Btw, Rart, just cos you're all starstruck with your new orangey stars, don't get ahead of your little self and consider for a fucking moment that you're not still a n00b spastic.
I'll still chain-gun shite upon you when you post wank.
And then some. Even more so, in fact.
I've never gotten a 0 on anything in my life. It must be intimidating for you to be talking to me though. Who would've thought, one phony philosophical post and some dude named Benjamin showed the world how dumb you really are. I can understand where you're coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Kid, you would not be intimidating (or even a stand-out) in a Special Olympics spelling bee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjamin
LOL @ the snitch
I am the spelling bee judge, you are the retarded speller. You spell the word wrong, and proceed to insult the judge. Now some of the other retarded kids might befriend you, but any outsider knows better.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
LOL @ The Portuguese dude who randomly posts a new english word he just learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad-Day
Was that a "comeback" in your mind/world? :blink: I am starting to believe that I am the only one who bothers to talk to you. And I have been tired of that for quite some time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenjaminI am the spelling bee judge, you are the retarded speller. You spell the word wrong, and proceed to insult the judge. Now some of the other retarded kids might befriend you, but any outsider knows better.LOL @ The Portuguese dude who randomly posts a new english word he just learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad-Day
You have proven yourself to be quite the capable little ankle biter and a worthy prop. Now run along...
chalice, I meant "making friends" not "doing friends", okey?
Well, in that case, yes. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bryant
...and one very confused Chihuahua that won't quit humping my leg. I think it must have been kicked in the head a few times as it just keeps attempting to "comeback" no matter how many times I try to tell it to scram.
[/quote] I'm just trying to put it plain and simple for you to understand. I don't think in terms of insults/comebacks like you do, it's just me talking to someone who never had the opportunity to develop a fully functional mental process.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Alright. No más. No más. I think we have had enough of each other. And perhaps have spammed this thread to its breaking point.
Truce.
Have fun with the rest of the discussion.:)
positive actions, positive responses.
That'll do me, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryant
Makes little difference.
See wot I dids there?
the only theory this proves is that retarded people tend to think others are the same...and we all know what you are by now :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by BenjaminFriends don't want to hurt your feelings, they will criticize you in a joking way, but that criticism should be taken seriously. I'm feeling nice, I bolded the important part for you. Are you really that slow? I can't imagine what would've happened to you if chalice was clear with you, even an indirect thread got you all worked up.This proves my theory that dumb people befriend each other, stickup for each other, etc. No wonder social darwinism never worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
lol,gandhi was a fuckin racist,he only cared about his kind.He constantly referred to black south africans as kafirs and animals in his time in apartheid SA.He was advocating that indians be treated better than the blacks so putting his name alongside MLK is kinda impolitic of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kooltilldend
I've spared you the insults because this isn't an academic forum plus I don't think its right to rip someone apart over their education or the lack of for that matter.However I think you are kinda like asking for it when you try posting intelligently (and then lie) on a forum where most people clearly don't give a fuck about such things as your attempts at intellectual elitism.
P.S-And I think you guys have let this thing go too far that it kinda looks like a deliberate attempt to discredit benjamin.
He didn't say he'd snitch on anyone but rather co-operate with investigators if they asked him who his partners in crime were(you'd be an idiot to do 25 years given an option to distribute the years).
Snitching/playing the role of informer is a whole other issue though(hypothesis aside its a very complicated affair).I know of places where they'd shoot you if they knew you were talking to the cops.However I think its a cancer(more so in black neighborhoods) when multiple witness murders go unprosecuted due to lack of witnesses(get the irony?).Somebody loses a husband,a mother loses her only son,A little black girl gets orphaned yet nobody is strong enough to come forward and help right a wrong.
You know this is partly why its good to keep things on topic coz given the above scenario I think this snitch(of whom Benjamin is not) makes a hero and a better human being coz unlike y'all he at least has a sense of wrong and right.
You guys outta show Ben some more respect. After all he was saying what he believed in, and no1 should be criticized for speaking their mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by kooltilldend
The only thing he's guilty of is getting personal with Megabyteme, but to be fair they're both to be blamed for that.
I like both you guys(MGM and Benjamin) and I hope to see more of what you do best(intelligent discussions), and less personal insulting.
:cheers:
It's the bt section .It's been medically proven to erode brain cells.
Stay their to loong and watch whatt happins.
Even Chalice comes off as a total twit there.
Sorry Chalice.
Gandhi was a racist because he cared about his kind when the Brits took over India and were exploiting the country to the maximum? Gandhi was a racist because he was supporting his kind when Indians were constantly abused in SA during his time there (unless the people were from nobility who he never supported anyways)...Gandhi was a racist because he divided India into two parts when Indians would've otherwise inevitably killed each other to no extent?Quote:
Originally Posted by sez
Really and how's he any different from MLK then who only "supposedly" cared for black people and marched to get equal rights for them against the whites (Gandhi wanted to give Indians their "own" country back)...really if you differentiate between them then you are just being a hypocrite
Wow I must have missed the part where I asked for your advice over "anything"...just coz you aren't "insulting" me through curses, your statements don't exactly sound sweetened to me...oh and fyi I couldn't give a fuck about what you think...I thought that was pretty clear by now though (as you feel the same way)...so yeah, until you can "prove" my so-called lies...please go back to your little hole as you only make yourself look like a foolQuote:
I've spared you the insults because this isn't an academic forum plus I don't think its right to rip someone apart over their education or the lack of for that matter.However I think you are kinda like asking for it when you try posting intelligently (and then lie) on a forum where most people clearly don't give a fuck about such things as your attempts at intellectual elitism.
I didn't say a word against Benjamin so I'm not sure what you are talking about...hell my response was against KallieB and I was merely giving my opinions...just 'coz someone else decides to stick their nose into my posts isn't my problem...also I'm not too sure you understand the meaning of "snitching"...you don't "distribute" years when you rat someone...you throw all the blame on them and walk away unharmed...that's the sign of a guilty bastard (sorry for the language) so that's thatQuote:
And I think you guys have let this thing go too far that it kinda looks like a deliberate attempt to discredit benjamin.
He didn't say he'd snitch on anyone but rather co-operate with investigators if they asked him who his partners in crime were(you'd be an idiot to do 25 years given an option to distribute the years).
I have no idea what you are trying to say here...I said I was talking of "snitching" from the start so all of that is a moot point...yes, people keep their mouths shut so they can get away freely...to me they are no less of a coward than anyone who cheats on others (now do you get the irony?)...yes someone loses a child, wife, etc etc...but then the person who's getting snitched is losing someone too...clearly the "rat" doesn't care about them though as he cares about himself and just "himself"Quote:
Snitching/playing the role of informer is a whole other issue though(hypothesis aside its a very complicated affair).I know of places where they'd shoot you if they knew you were talking to the cops.However I think its a cancer(more so in black neighborhoods) when multiple witness murders go unprosecuted due to lack of witnesses(get the irony?).Somebody loses a husband,a mother loses her only son,A little black girl gets orphaned yet nobody is strong enough to come forward and help right a wrong.
again I didn't say a word against Benjamin...is he a snitch? perhaps or perhaps not...quite frankly I don't know nor fucking care (yet you are as usual "bright" to assume I do)...that said, if someone does "snitch" on others (whoever it may be)...they'll never be a hero for me and are no more than a coward...they maybe "heroes" for you but that's "you" not fucking "me"Quote:
You know this is partly why its good to keep things on topic coz given the above scenario I think this snitch(of whom Benjamin is not) makes a hero and a better human being coz unlike y'all he at least has a sense of wrong and right.
p.s. yes I'm pissed off since you are actually quite skilled at that so congrats to you on that ^^
@albo...I didn't say a word against him until he decided to pick on me...now I have nothing against anyone (esp. not against a person like him who I don't even know) but that said, I'm not taking crap from anyone...and that most def. includes him (and the guy I just responded to above)
cheers!
lol believe me I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
@Kooltilldend, I didn't mean you in particular. What I said was directed at the others more than it was directed at you.
At the end of the day, besides the personal insults, Ben had a few good points regarding snitching and he should be given credit for being realistic.
I, individually, still wouldn't open my mouth when asked to snitch because I have strong beliefs against it, but I kinda understand why others would crack in certain circumstances... I still hate their guts, but I understand
At the end of the day the message is this: "If you can't take the heat get out the kitchen", meaning don't fukin commit crimes if you're not ready to take full responsibility for them------->
"Cause there ain't no such things as Half-way Crooks." (nice one huh?..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP0wsET8__Y)
Needs more Old-Geezer-Cunt-Apple IMHO