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People donate regardless, just as people seed regardless of other aspects of the tracker. I find annoying staff, I stay the hell on the tracker side of things, and I might even donate considering they're offering me a service I can't find elsewhere. At that point it doesn't really matter what I think of other people's seeding habits, I'm just happy I'm getting my content fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephilia
Same thing goes for seeders. Some people find it an obligation, and even if the tracker is close to dying due to low donations, they will continue seeding so that they can say they tried helping the place out till the end.
Trying to relate the success of both seeding and donations simultaneously is completely wrong, since the lack of one does not mean the lack of the other. You're better off with the argument that without the seeders (which is an impossible concept...) a tracker would quickly wither and become useless.
For a better explanation; without donors tracker staff say "Donate or tracker will die... 1111!" but without seeders tracker staff will say "No hit and runs or you will be bum-raped by our banhammer."
let's put it another way:
staff = coding, implementing new features, improving the site and running the tracker.
members = content, retention, community = the backbone of the site and the tracker's soul
my point is that members are what makes a tracker better than another random one, more than staff or anything else.
i've seen countless trackers with good staff, great layout and features dying because a lack of dedicated members.
people don't donate just to please staff nor because they like the site design.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I've seen the same, and I understand its necessity. However, nowadays there are ways over transient dedication to the tracker. A review up on FSF, a neat-o design and there's a ton of sheep at the tracker's doorstep. For example, a lot of people joined BTN based on just that one review, without knowing any other information.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephilia
As for the donations comment, you'd be surprised. Personally, I donate to any place I visit and like, just because it would be a shame if it died and I stopped enjoying my time there. I have no problems/gripes attempting to pay the whole server bill alone if I have to (depends on the size of the place...); however, others out there will donate just to get a "VIP" beside their name, or just to see the gratitude, believe it or not.
This goes back to the age old, herd anagram. A shit company releases a shit game, (IW; MW2) people still buy it. A shit tracker with shit material will still get donations from members for the same reason people donate for upload GB's on a ratio free tracker.
seems many users'll join this site.. good luck!
what content has this FTN? porn?:D
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/what-trackers-offer/Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalin
You should really check that if you have such questions, a lot of forums (including mine) don't have such a wonderful addon.
Review is bit outdated but there are some other reviews on the net, try using google :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by anon-sbihttp://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/what-trackers-offer/Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalin
You should really check that if you have such questions, a lot of forums (including mine) don't have such a wonderful addon.
well . dont bother traders ... invites will still be scarce .. so dont even try ;)
good job, did mommy and daddy tell u that u is a letter? maybe they should also explain to u that this is the internet, not english 101. i guess "u" already knew that!Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Shut up before you make yourself look any more idiotic than you already have. :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by ugk4life
Now you just look like you're 13 years old, which if you are, that's fine. If you aren't, congratulations you've managed to turn back time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ugk4lifegood job, did mommy and daddy tell u that u is a letter? maybe they should also explain to u that this is the internet, not english 101. i guess "u" already knew that!Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
UGk first off Ugk is trash and the Houston Texans are garbage. (now that I got that out of my system)Quote:
Originally Posted by ugk4life
No one gives a "fuck" about your statement because it was just pointless and offered nothing to this thread.
You made a 3 word post being pro trader and then accepted positive feedback?
I mean I didn't expect much from a leecher and trader such as your self, but grow up.
And to think this guy claims to have a wife lol.
My parents ,sadly,are both deceased but if they were alive and read your comment they would probably ask me why the annoying young man doesn't know enough to capitalize his sentences.Quote:
Originally Posted by ugk4lifegood job, did mommy and daddy tell u that u is a letter? maybe they should also explain to u that this is the internet, not english 101. i guess "u" already knew that!Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
And in that hypothetical case I might respond and say " it's OK it's the internet and so the rules of grammar don't apply " but then they ( God rest their souls) would probably just ( hypothetically ) look at me and say " That's noble dear attempting to make excuses for the retarded boy ".
"english 101 " classic.
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Originally Posted by cinephilia
I think this is one of the best summations of a successful tracker that I have seen in quite a while. It's cut and dried, to the point, and in my experience, on the money(hyuk hyuk hyuk :P )
As far as the subject of the thread, I think it's nice that they decided, retroactively, to give the donors that stepped up, with no promise of reward, a reward. I am a bit perplexed about the animosity over the decision to change their invite policy to something not really that much different than the pre-existing policy, but I guess I'm just easily confused.
Name one legitimate member that was invited through this donor invite session.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
Even if you come up with one name , I can assure you there are 10 traders that got in for that 1 legit user.
I would, but I respect those people's privacy enough not to go blurting their name out on FST, but I do in fact know a couple people that I trust implicitly that got in as a direct result of this latest move. You seem to be working under the assumption that the only people that donate there are traders. I think that is poppycock, if you'll excuse my tawdry language, and a sign more of your own personal paranoia, not what is really going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls youName one legitimate member that was invited through this donor invite session.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
Even if you come up with one name , I can assure you there are 10 traders that got in for that 1 legit user.
The point of that statement was that I don't really see how this is a dramatic change from the existing policy, nothing more.
Since you support this new invite policy could you please explain why there is one giveaway/request thread for 10 trade threads? And why is this so wonderful?
but those trades are rarely successful and i'm pretty sure most of them are actually scam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
Requests/giveaways are rarely successful also.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephilia
Yes but for entirely different reasons.
Yes trading/giveaways/requests all have a high failure rate for ftn.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
But the fact still remains that their are 10 trades for 1 request right now.
Intr4ns1t could you explain this to me? Because I don't see anything wonderful about those stats.
You are misinterpreting the data.Hardly anyone is newbish enough to think that an ill-conceived request on some dubious internet invite board will get them into FTN hence few if any requests.
On the other hand as been stated many,many times FST remains a preeminent haven for trading in a climate where such places are becoming increasingly rare so obviously anyone of that ilk with a FTN invite to offer( or wanting one) is probably going to ( unfortunately) try their luck here.
Exactly, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
It is easier currently for traders to get into ftn, then legitmate users.
It's the same misinterpretation of data that is in part to blame for this place's ( sometimes) bad reputation.
The bad is apparent even to the most congenitally stupid while sometimes seeing the good requires a bit more effort.
Congratulations you have just,in brief (applicable to any site) , given the reason behind most trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls youExactly, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
It is easier currently for traders to get into ftn, then legitmate users.
The only reason that some people do and some people don't is ethics not economy of effort.
Yes idol but this isn't like any other site which is the point I'm trying to make.
It's more difficult for a legitimate member to get into Ftn as compared to other sites, where as the ease still exists for traders.
This is in return going to attract a majority of poor members, which will trade for their way in.
No it's "easier" for someone that doesn't trade to gain admittance to FTN than someone who does.
One only requiring someone to like them and have a bit of confidence in them while the other requiring a bunch of wheeling and dealing and if successful I'm sure never a truly relaxed moment being constantly worried that they might be found out and unceremoniously truffed ( which I know for a fact most are btw).
All to get into a friggin' bt tracker that , correct me if I'm mistaken, is remarkably like countless other ones out there.
On the other hand if it's someone's "goal' to get into FTN then you are probably right that trading is the surest route but then again if it's someone's "goal "to get into FTN( or any tracker that has dozens of doppelgangers containing near identical content), then in my opinion at least ,they are already a lost cause.
why are they a legitimate user because they've made a request? I would think that most people with an invite wouldn't be wasting it on someone they don't know (I would hope anyway) and would instead give it to their friend who might enjoy the site.
i fully agree with uQuote:
Originally Posted by sear
more over i think people who have invite of FTN, are all very selective in whom they select to give the invites.
and when we are very selective in giving invites, we loose those people who would really make a good stand at such prestigious sites.
I have myself been very selective in giving invites of some high level trackers and i have found that when we are extra cautious then we loose good users and land up nowhere.
anyway this is a general human mentality and i am not an exception ;)
cautiousness during handing out such invites is surely a must.
But extra cautiousness proves to be a problem at times.
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Originally Posted by BABBY
i didnt see your signature ...
Idol do you think a member would have more chance of getting into ftn if:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
1) they put up a legitimate request on the giveaway forums.
or
2) Traded some high level trackers, and some laundered money through seed boxes for an ftn invite.
You are neglecting the second part of that post or unfortunately totally missing the point.
Getting into FTN is essentially no easier or harder than any other place ,either someone invites you or they don't.True in the case of FTN they are is a smaller userbase and therefore ( probably) fewer available invites but it's more about your perceived "need " than actual difficulty .
For the record, I'm actually pretty indifferent to the new invite policy. Because, as I've stated twice already it's not really that different than the last invite policy, in my opinion. The likelihood of getting an invite to FTN through either a trade or a request on a forum are pretty neglible in my further opinion, so I don't really see how this could possibly change the status quo in any noticeable way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
Wonderful or not, it's the way it is, and I don't see this as any kind of profit driven move at all, so I don't really think it's worth a crusade over. If anything, it frustrates me that people automatically jump to assumptions like that about the motives of well established members of the community that have sacrificed a lot of their free time and personal lives to keep a place for people that really enjoy this hobby.
It frustrates me when someone doesn't answer a question.
I didn't answer it because it was answered by others, just as well, and probably better than I would answer it, already in this thread.
I love how "opening the doors" ends up being an extra 60 or so invites being handed out. Now out of a private torrenting community of at least hundreds of thousands of members, how good to you think your chances are of getting one of those invites with your pathetic one line requests, especially when you have barely any other posts at FST?
Exactly.
Most people I know did neither. But then again, they generally don't make requests either. People who donate for invites often have a specific person in mind, since they're not going to donate for an invite and then simply sit on said invite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
Or, of course, they might trade it. However, there are 98 invites on the site right now. How difficult is it really to sort through 98 potential inviters/invitees looking for the traders? That's nothing compared to what most sites need to face. And what are the real chances that out of those 98 people, 89 of them are traders? (Based on your 10:1 chances analogy). Doubtful.
As for "Ease" for invitees versus traders, the same can be said for any site at all. Not sure why this move suddenly makes FTN the only site affected by this issue. The entire reason most people trade is because it's the easy way out.
how many people would sell family for ftn :D :D
All idiots. If someone is prepared to give up something (whatever it may be) so that he may be able to get into a tracker, they deserve whatever it is to be taken from them anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antony
In the end ftn is a tracker like many other trackers out there, in fact ftn isn't particularly fast on pre's (it was once). Yet I notice not a single person has mentioned what kind of tracker ftn is or it's content, only the level, and how much the collectors would donate a body part or family member. You can't even play the community card, because everyone there is too busy being 'leet' for having the membership to be friendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls youIdol do you think a member would have more chance of getting into ftn if:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
1) they put up a legitimate request on the giveaway forums.
or
2) Traded some high level trackers, and some laundered money through seed boxes for an ftn invite.
News of the day kiddies, it's a tracker, if you believe belonging to it will in anyway enhance you as a person, you desparately need to re-evaluate your belief structure.
For what reason would someone want to legitimately join ftn then?Quote:
In the end ftn is a tracker like many other trackers out there, in fact ftn isn't particularly fast on pre's (it was once). Yet I notice not a single person has mentioned what kind of tracker ftn is or it's content, only the level, and how much the collectors would donate a body part or family member. You can't even play the community card, because everyone there is too busy being 'leet' for having the membership to be friendly.
*note* I have been using the word legitimate alot lately.... lol...
The only legitimate reason is the lack of any seedtime restrictions. You can hit and run with no consequences, which comes in handy in certain situations where you may not be able to leave your computer on for a while. Anyway, since it's very unlikely anything good will come of a request here, my advice is: join PTM.