I brought this up before, but "popular" might be too nondescript a term. Apple is a religion to many that consume their merchandise at great expense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Cicero
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I brought this up before, but "popular" might be too nondescript a term. Apple is a religion to many that consume their merchandise at great expense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Cicero
Wouldn't it be nice if we all knew about your obscure tech brands but most people dont.I personally dislike the Mac OS but I see why people stick to it.they are used to it.one of the reasons I can't switch over to a Mac.and their are advantages to being popular in the tech department.i have never used another tablet but from what I see others don't have the software to match the specs.its because all the developers go to what's popular.Who wants to use something that won't even use it's full potential?not saying that these other tablets are not good.but for now they are being used for their full potential.
"Obscure tech brands". You just applied that label to Lenovo, Zune/Microsoft, and Nokia. Are you sure this is the right kind of argument to bless with your presence?Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggyjuarez
Maybe in the future we will all be using other OS's that are better.but it would take years even being that its better.I won't even use anything newer then windows xp.just like people won't switch from Mac.point being, people have different options on what makes a device great.sometimes it's just convenient to follow your brand.
You know your logic doesn't hold when Apple itself was on the verge of bankruptcy 15 years ago, only to have a market cap of $500b today.
People like change. People like good change. It's why Apple was successful incrementally every time they did something right. It's why Motorola was successful in 1981, Apple in 1984, and I can list hundreds more examples.
If Google actually releases its glasses hardware this year, I promise you, they will be mass adopted.
But when apple does it, They do it by creating a whole new catagory.creating new users that don't have to be mind fucked by switch their device.I never heard of portable music players that don't need CDs before the iPod.you can also do the same with the iPad.
mp3 players were out well before the ipod, tablets were out before the ipad, some of us don't wait to get out information from a marketing department.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggyjuarez
What? Apple invented fuckall. Before the iPod there were the Diamond Multimedia Rio PMP and the Eiger MPMan. Before the iPad there were a bunch of HP/Lenovo touch tablets, and Palm/Blackberry touch PDA's. Apple has always had their way paved for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggyjuarez
That they are capable of jumping on the right bandwagon at the right time is a gift. But Apple (as far as I know) is not accredited with any original design patents. Just iteratives.
Their success lies in the ability to get a bunch of halfwits to believe these alternate realities. I see a man standing around that we can't trust Obama because he's an Arab muslim and think, what an idiot. Apple sees that same guy and thinks, easy money.
Apparently: Ive, Apple's main industrial designer, is always accredited with great design. I recently heard a story about him trying to pass light through Aluminium in an effort to make a neater looking product when it came to Macbooks. What physics?Quote:
Originally Posted by mjmacky
I think ziggy's right. for a lot of reasons I'm not going to write about.
Further to that, Darky's use of neat and sharp as adjectives make me think he is out of touch with kids today.
Did I say apple invented the mp3 or the tablet?no.just that they bring things to the masses by improvement along with again being popular.i would hate to see where we would be in both departments w/o apple.
Enjoy your blackberry.
You'd have to be more specific, or am I to assume that you think we should all be wearing Stacy Adams to church?Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
You misspelled it, but it still carries the same sentimentQuote:
Originally Posted by ziggyjuarez
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Originally Posted by ziggyjuarez
Vast improvement, Is a whole new catagory.
:slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggyjuarez
I've never met the girl and I'm not sure, given the context, what the verb means and if 'to church' is a euphemism or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjmackyYou'd have to be more specific, or am I to assume that you think we should all be wearing Stacy Adams to church?Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Beyond that, I think jiggy is right because what he is trying to say is that he doesn't really care if Adidas make the most functional chavsuits, or if they can compete with the price of similar clothes, he will buy Adidas because that brand is approved of by his peers and he likes how it looks.
The consumer is often less than completely appraised of the item's specifics and even less concerned with them. Erudite customers are a fickle bunch and have no concept of brand loyalty, Apple isn't trying to cater to your needs.
Apple is clearly exploiting this and so long as people are happy with their expensive, but aesthetically fetching, iProduct - then ziggy wins.
Um. There are also a fuckload of indefensible statements.
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Originally Posted by mjmacky:slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggyjuarez
iPad 500 $
Itouch 200$
More options out there guys.I say the itouch is a great deal considering it runs ios just like the 500$ ipad and it's only getting better.who else does this?as far as I know the other guys give you the option of the tablet or a phone and isn't cheap.I think this is an example of getting what you pay for.
You were starting to make a case, but then you undid all of your hard work. No wonder you shy away from the longer diatribes.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
jiggy > you
jiggy's still using windows xpQuote:
Originally Posted by manker
You're on a work computer aren't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Yeah but I could install Win7 if I wanted.
I just like XP :happy:
You're just lazy. I have nothing but a list of gripes every time I jump on an XP machine (gripes I never had before Win7).Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
XP all the way :wub:
It's like preferring Symbian over Android, you obstinate orthodox outfit of OS operators.
There's no reason to not prefer Symbian over Android. Symbian had tethering, modem functionality, radio functionality, penta-band, unlocked/rooted functionality, SD cards and many many applications before Android (that are just now being ported - example being the Javascript engine of Kinoma Play) came along. EDIT: Add OTA upgrades, FM transmitters, superior camera options, better speakers, integrated kickstands and hardware cues, a much better music player (that includes a better PowerAmp version), and I could go on for days.
Your example is like saying people should prefer Windows on ARM over Windows on x86 simply because it's newer and better. That doesn't discount that the legacy and support for x86 is still superior in every way.
The only true way Android has been better than Symbian all these years is the fact that while walking around I had a phone in my pocket that I could code in Java/HTML5/Python any time of the day, so long as the layering was applied to the SDK.
P.S. Only now is Android pulling ahead of Symbian head and shoulders with the latest slew of phones, and the Symbian platform's death. Otherwise, yeah.
Much of the stuff you listed on the software side is shared with Android. As for the hardware side, that's completely device dependent. The applications and hunting down/acquisition was a pain in the ass, as was rooting and messing with custom ROMs. I pretty much hated all of my Symbian applications. Google music works fantastic for me for what little use it gets, and I haven't seen a more superior video player than Mobo Player on ANY device (options for soft decode playback when hardware can't decode, it's like switching to ffmpeg, peformance of that varies with device obviously). I've been able to find much better apps and then some ever since I switched from my Samsung Innov8 to the Samsung Galaxy S. There isn't a single thing I really miss from my old phone with the exception of FM radio (but even that was annoying since the wire coming out of the jack acted as the antenna.
Symbian development could have turned up something that rivaled Android, but Nokia dropped the fucking ball on that one. I was more than happy to depart.
Correct, on all counts. However, when both Android and iOS launched (with Linux and OSX kernels respectively), Symbian still made them both look like toys. I have obviously since moved to a SGSII, mainly because of the gorgeous screen, and have modded it to hell and back to make it usable, because frankly AOSP Android handles like a broken Lancer. Symbian Belle handles like an ES300.
Either way, both are obsolete. We both know that Windows 8 ARM is going to be a staple very soon, and it will be a two leg race between iOS/OSX and 8ARM/8x86.
Nokia slowed down development of Symbian while exploring Linux based alternatives. First it developed a version of Maemo (V5) for use with a highend smartphone the N900, but there were no third party takers for software development. Then Nokia partnered with Intel to develop an offshoot of Maemo called MeeGo. Intel pulled out of being a development partner and leaving Nokia once again with few development partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjmacky
This is the most important factor involved in releasing an O/S, the third party support of the O/S. Developers moved away from Symbian because there was a far more popular choice out there being taken up by multiple handset vendors that includes a software showcase in Android Market/Play. With the loss of Intel as a partner for MeeGo, there was very little support for this as an alternative and no other handset makers were prepared to pay the royalties when Android is offered free.
The last port of Symbian I used was S60 V5 which was supposed to be updated for touchscreen, it was a pig to be honest it was very slow and clunky and although there are things I adore about the Symbian O/S this version managed to turn me off completely, where as Android is getting better all the time.