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Originally Posted by DirtyDan
Hurray! Looks like Texas understands Bush.
I agree, I dont care what you argue about intolerance, or how it goes against the constitution, Im all for it.
:blink: Bring back the Ku Klux Klan?
Intolerance is fine as long as my views are tolerated. :)
I have no wish to live in an intolerant Muslim society, an intolerant military dictatorship, or an intolerant Christian society. We are a product of our environment and environments change. Why tie yourself to something that was written for societies living in a ME desert 2,500 years ago? Different cultures in different times, Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Hindus, Tibetans, Chinese, Japanese, Celts all had different approaches and tolerated/encouraged different things.
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Originally Posted by bigdawgfoxx
Letting people go around buttfucking and spreading more diseases and shit is horrible, and you need to realize that. You arent born gay thats fucking bullshit.
I really hate this sort of ignorant bullshit. It makes me sad that people actually think like this. :(
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And people think we should let people do w/e they want. Look at where our WORLD is. We get worse and worse, and you cant say were not, look at the things around us. Every year in my city people start drinking and dipping at younger ages. About 7th grade. People start having sex about 7th grade too. TV gets worse, music gets worse everything. Letting people go around buttfucking and spreading more diseases and shit is horrible, and you need to realize that. You arent born gay thats fucking bullshit.
I completely agree.:) Lets keep to good ole southern American values and keep sex to within the family. Completely within the family.:whistling
@Biggles I can arrange for your initiation into 'A Clan Near You'. Comes with free sheet, petrol and laundry fees.:lol: :lol:
P.S. A lot nearer than you think.:ph34r:
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Originally Posted by bigboab
I completely agree.:) Lets keep to good ole southern American values and keep sex to within the family. Completely within the family.:whistling
@Biggles I can arrange for your initiation into 'A Clan Near You'. Comes with free sheet, petrol and laundry fees.:lol: :lol:
P.S. A lot nearer than you think.:ph34r:
:ohmy: I wondered where the sheets off my washing line went!
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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
No, that would be bestiality.
Tolerate the PA, you cruel bar steward.
:blushing: Tolerated, my bad - been up since the wee small hours on Picket Line duty - not at my best.
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Originally Posted by Biggles
:blushing: Tolerated, my bad - been up since the wee small hours on Picket Line duty - not at my best.
Oops
:rolleyes:
Im so sorry that im not on the line...
No, really, i am....
I offer my support from my sick bed ;)
http://www.pcs.org.uk/images/all/PCSLogo.gif
Edit: Strange logo when you link it to here :unsure:
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Oops
:rolleyes:
Im so sorry that im not on the line...
No, really, i am....
I offer my support from my sick bed ;)
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It didn't rain :01:
Out of around 60 (about 90% of potential members on site) only 9 or 10 members crossed the line :01: (Scabs :angry: :lol: )
Most of the offices were closed :01:
Prospect and T&G guys brought us lots of tea and coffee :01:
Guards on duty were T&G members and stopped all the cars to check passes :01:
It was absolutely freezing :(
It was an extemely good natured event :01:
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Originally Posted by bigdawgfoxx
Letting people go around buttfucking and spreading more diseases and shit is horrible, and you need to realize that. You arent born gay thats fucking bullshit.
I agree that people aren't born gay but buttfucking isn't all that bad. :shifty:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
I agree that people aren't born gay but buttfucking isn't all that bad. :shifty:
You are having a Jay Lo moment aren't you? :shifty:
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Originally Posted by Biggles
You are having a Jay Lo moment aren't you? :shifty:
:w00t: :01: :devil:
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Originally Posted by bigdawgfoxx
Damn why are yall so for peace...the mother fuckers terrorize everyone. Fly planes into our buildings and do unthinkable things to other people. But heaven forbid 20 american soldiers die. Its a fing war, thats what happens, and something needs to be done. And Kerry was for the war to, but he prob would have changed up a few things.
so why invade people that had nothing to do with it?
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Kerry said he was gona do about 1,000,000 things, which there is no way he could really do. He looks like an asshole and doesnt speak very powerful. Bush might not use the best words but when you look at him you know he means it.
Only stupid people had trouble understanding kerry, he spoke in English but used words longer than you are used to i guess.... it's not hard to understand bush because he is simple, talks slowly and repeats himself over and over.
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And people think we should let people do w/e they want. Look at where our WORLD is. We get worse and worse, and you cant say were not, look at the things around us. Every year in my city people start drinking and dipping at younger ages. About 7th grade. People start having sex about 7th grade too. TV gets worse, music gets worse everything. Letting people go around buttfucking and spreading more diseases and shit is horrible, and you need to realize that. You arent born gay thats fucking bullshit.
As to the sex part i'm thinking nobody wants you and that hurts.
to the Gay part, desease isn't a gay monopoly, and fact is you can't prove that people aren't born gay. If it's caused by enviroment how come so many homosexuals grow up in these backward biggoted places? All homosexuals are the result of a hetrosexual relationship.
But if so much needs fixing where you live why are we going around the world forcing people to be just like us?
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Originally Posted by Busyman
but buttfucking isn't all that bad. :shifty:
not reading anything but the humour in that busy, however i really don't understand why so many wish to do that.
Each to their own i say...but yuk:sick: :lol:
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Originally Posted by vidcc
not reading anything but the humour in that busy, however i really don't understand why so many wish to do that.
Each to their own i say...but yuk:sick: :lol:
It's something different but not too far out left field.
Ironically, she's the one that asks for it. :huh:
It's ok every blue moon but I actually prefer twat. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by vidcc
and fact is you can't prove that people aren't born gay. If it's caused by enviroment how come so many homosexuals grow up in these backward biggoted places?
I just use logic. It's choice. Environment is not a dictator but an influence.
Can you chose exactly who love?
If you do love that person, can you turn it off?
Okayyyyy now....
Were you born to love that person?
Will scientists find something in your head that predisposes you to love that person?
Prove that I'm not born to like the color blue.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
I just use logic. It's choice. Environment is not a dictator but an influence.
Can you chose exactly who love?
If you do love that person, can you turn it off?
Okayyyyy now....
Were you born to love that person?
Will scientists find something in your head that predisposes you to love that person?
Prove that I'm not born to like the color blue.
but that's all opinion...not proof
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Originally Posted by Prodigy Girl
Say more of what?
I should have been more specific. I was curious about your reasons for not voting for either of the two main candidates.
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Originally Posted by scroff
I should have been more specific. I was curious about your reasons for not voting for either of the two main candidates.
Oh, no problem. I’ll do my best not to ramble. :P
Well, I’m not a fan of Bush, and I didn’t agree with the ideas that Kerry had for the country. Both of these candidates were for things that I don’t support (including the Patriot Act and raising minimum wage). I wanted to vote for a candidate that represented my views the best. I didn’t want to be one of those people who voted based on a candidate’s looks or based upon how others believe I should vote, so I spent a good deal of time looking over the candidates and proposals for this election.
For me, it’s hard to believe that so many people on both sides of the coin got pissed off at those who didn’t support their candidate. There were people at my job who didn’t feel comfortable around their coworkers because a difference in opinion. I had friends not speaking to one another because of this election, too. Also, because I decided to go with a third party candidate, some Democrat supporters told me that it would be my fault if Bush won this election. Perhaps they’re included in the group who still believe that Nader cost Gore the election in 2000. What a shame…
And speaking of which, I really think it’s time for the third party candidates to be in the mainstream. I think it’s sad to find out that Nader had to get signature on a petition just to be on the ballot in some states. I also don’t like the fact that the third party candidates were kept from the debates (Badnarik and Cobb were arrested for trying to get into St. Louis debates. The Libertarian Party had a lawsuit against the Commission on Presidential Debates. Good for them.)
I learnt a while back that when you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil. I didn’t want to vote for evil. In a way, isn’t voting for something you don’t believe in as bad as not voting at all?
Oh, and Kudos to www.flowgo.com and www.jibjab.com for finding humor in all of the political ugliness. :)
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Originally Posted by Prodigy Girl
Oh, no problem. I’ll do my best not to ramble. :P
Thanks for your answer. I would tend to agree, but voted for Kerry because I thought he was better than Bush (lesser of two evils) and didn't think Nader had a chance. I agree with much of what Nader says, but I don't think the country's ready for him or a Kucinich and feel you have to work with what you got.... no matter who won, if it wasn't Bush the congress would have hog-tied them... but I really think Bush is very very bad for the US and the world while Kerry would have been business as usual
I also agree that all the candidates should have been at the debates... even Marilyn Chambers :cool:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
I just use logic. It's choice. Environment is not a dictator but an influence.
Can you chose exactly who love?
If you do love that person, can you turn it off?
Okayyyyy now....
Were you born to love that person?
Will scientists find something in your head that predisposes you to love that person?
Prove that I'm not born to like the color blue.
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Originally Posted by vidcc
but that's all opinion...not proof
You asking me to disprove particular sexual desires are controlled by an amount or presence of something in the brain.
That is tantamount to disproving my predisposition towards the color blue.
There are those that say Johnny was always "that way" even when he was 6.
He later walked with a switch and talked with a lisp.
He found things about men attractive.
Well those things about men, sans looking at the fact they the same genitalia,
are in many ways learned and emulated.
You like what you like.
With that in mind, I don't think it can be fixed medically.
If being born gay is true then that, in theory, can be fixed with gene therapy or brain surgery (who knows), correct?
That would also mean that homosexuality is a mental handicap of sorts.
I don't buy it. :dry:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
You asking me to disprove particular sexual desires are controlled by an amount or presence of something in the brain.
That is tantamount to disproving my predisposition towards the color blue.
There are those that say Johnny was always "that way" even when he was 6.
He later walked with a switch and talked with a lisp.
He found things about men attractive.
Well those things about men, sans looking at the fact they the same genitalia,
are in many ways learned and emulated.
You like what you like.
With that in mind, I don't think it can be fixed medically.
If being born gay is true then that, in theory, can be fixed with gene therapy or brain surgery (who knows), correct?
That would also mean that homosexuality is a mental handicap of sorts.
I don't buy it. :dry:
You don't buy it...so what...it's still just opinion, not proof. I didn't ask you to prove it, you believe what you believe... i disagree with what you believe. I can't prove people are born gay, you can't disprove they are.
Every theory anyone comes up with for either case has a counter theory...so the fact is it can't be proven one way or the other.
But let's say scientists do discover a "gay gene"...you suggest it could then be fixed, that would suggest that if one want's to use ones moral beliefs to fix it either...nature (if you believe god doesn't exist) or gods creation (if you belive god does exist)must be fixed
I don't see gay people as "immoral". i don't see them as "sick". I see them as being different.
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Originally Posted by vidcc
You don't buy it...so what...it's still just opinion, not proof. I didn't ask you to prove it, you believe what you believe... i disagree with what you believe. I can't prove people are born gay, you can't disprove they are.
Every theory anyone comes up with for either case has a counter theory...so the fact is it can't be proven one way or the other.
But let's say scientists do discover a "gay gene"...you suggest it could then be fixed, that would suggest that if one want's to use ones moral beliefs to fix it either...nature (if you believe god doesn't exist) or gods creation (if you belive god does exist)must be fixed
I don't see gay people as "immoral". i don't see them as "sick". I see them as being different.
Bravo... for those who think it's a choice... choose to get a woody when you look at, maybe, Tom Cruise.
I don't see what all the big deal is about either.
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Originally Posted by scroff
Bravo... for those who think it's a choice... choose to get a woody when you look at, maybe, Tom Cruise.
I don't see what all the big deal is about either.
Nice chime in but no one's saying that...at least not here. :dry:
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Most of the world wants Bush out however amercians think he's the best and he's doing a good job in Iraq and such. Funny how the Iraqies don'....
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Originally Posted by vidcc
You don't buy it...so what...it's still just opinion, not proof. I didn't ask you to prove it, you believe what you believe... i disagree with what you believe. I can't prove people are born gay, you can't disprove they are.
Every theory anyone comes up with for either case has a counter theory...so the fact is it can't be proven one way or the other.
But let's say scientists do discover a "gay gene"...you suggest it could then be fixed, that would suggest that if one want's to use ones moral beliefs to fix it either...nature (if you believe god doesn't exist) or gods creation (if you belive god does exist)must be fixed
I don't see gay people as "immoral". i don't see them as "sick". I see them as being different.
I bet if there was a killer gene or a Turret's gene it wouldn't be bad to "fix it".
Btw what is behind your opinion that homosexuality is birthed?
Keep in mind I don't believe gays are out and out hurting folks and don't believe in talking down to them or workplace discrimination.
I don't agree with the lifestyle but I don't have to live it. I leave that for their God to sort out.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
I bet if there was a killer gene or a Turret's gene it wouldn't be bad to "fix it".
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Why not fix it if we have the capability? I have no problem with that. The only way a gay gene could be connected in this theory would be if your morals considered homosexuality to be wrong. Well i don't, i am repelled at the thought but i don't think there is anything wrong with it for those that are gay. Killers harm others...homosexuals just give you the creeps.
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Btw what is behind your opinion that homosexuality is birthed?
i believe if you or i can't be changed gay why would anyone else?
why would someone choose to be gay when they have to go through all this biggoted crap?
I can't be bothered to go into every little arguement...those 2 will do:)
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Originally Posted by vidcc
Why not fix it if we have the capability? I have no problem with that. The only way a gay gene could be connected in this theory would be if your morals considered homosexuality to be wrong. Well i don't, i am repelled at the thought but i don't think there is anything wrong with it for those that are gay. Killers harm others...homosexuals just give you the creeps.
i believe if you or i can't be changed gay why would anyone else?
why would someone choose to be gay when they have to go through all this biggoted crap?
I can't be bothered to go into every little arguement...those 2 will do:)
Turret's gives the creeps too.
Anyway, as I said before being gay is as much choice as you choosing what woman that you find attractive.
Folks that are straight have switched sides before. It amazes that in these instances everyone says, "Well they were gay all along".....as if this gay gene were always trump. :dry:
In other cases, folks are living a lie but that's nothing new. Sociopaths do it all the time (bad example I know). The point is many folks do as society does to not stand out.
You say you or I can't be changed gay...well others have been.
You like what you like.
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Busy
I only gave you a couple of reasons because you asked me to. If you have a different theory...as i said it's opinion, not proof.
you can repeat your opinion again if you wish but as i said i believe what i believe
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I'd think its more a pyschological thing. Not that its defect, but perhaps there is something that differs in a certain section of the brain that picks who we find attractive and this differs from person to person. I suppose this could be linked to whether the same thing is present in our parents and also may change depending on what is experince early in life.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Nice chime in but no one's saying that...at least not here. :dry:
Sorry...
This must have confused me
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I just use logic. It's choice. Environment is not a dictator but an influence.
Didn't realize this was a private conversation...
I'll shut up now...
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Originally Posted by scroff
Sorry...
This must have confused me
Didn't realize this was a private conversation...
I'll shut up now...
Scroff, if you choose not to read further than that one sentence than what can I say? :huh:
Were you being coy or just snippet reading?
Since vid has nothing further to add besides, "I can't change so how can they" and has nothing else behind his opinion, what yours?
It's not a private convo since it wasn't a pm.
I'm hanging up the OPEN sign.
Folk's definition of what choice is seems to be different from how it applies to the "I can't help myself" syndrome. Can't help yourself?
Must be genetic. :dry:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Scroff, if you choose not to read further than that one sentence than what can I say? :huh:
Were you being coy or just snippet reading?
I read further. It appears to me you feel it's a choice. Nevertheless my comment about choosing to get a woody when you see Tom Cruise was just that, a comment.
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Since vid has nothing further to add besides, "I can't change so how can they" and has nothing else behind his opinion, what yours?
It's not a private convo since it wasn't a pm.
I'm hanging up the OPEN sign.
Folk's definition of what choice is seems to be different from how it applies to the "I can't help myself" syndrome. Can't help yourself?
Must be genetic. :dry:
Well of course they have a choice, just as you have a choice to sleep with a man or a woman. It's not a matter of "Can't help myself," it's more a matter of "why should I help myself?"
I think a "heterosexual" man might find sleeping with a woman more to his liking, but he could choose to sleep with a man. But no matter how long he did it, he'd still rather be with a woman.
There's nothing genetic about it, no more than there is for heterosexuals. It can't be handed down from generation to generation like blue eyes or heart disease.
Societies effect is more on how people view LGBT, thus indirectly it effects LGBT. Society tells us it's un-natural, and the more Christian the society, the more un-natural, it seems to me.
Sexuality is not an either/or proposition, people aren't either gay or straight, it's more of a sliding scale. Homophobia (I'm not accusing you here) is not fear of homosexuals, it's fear that you (the general you) might be gay, might be a little further along on that scale than you would like. Why wouldn't you want to be further along that scale? Because of society's view of homosexuality and it's effect on you (again, the general you).
In different societies, and in different times throughout history, homosexuality has been accepted.
Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla... and some people like strawberry... what's the big deal?
You asked... :cool:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
is as much choice as you choosing what woman that you find attractive.
I have a choice?
:unsure:
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Originally Posted by scroff
I read further. It appears to me you feel it's a choice. Nevertheless my comment about choosing to get a woody when you see Tom Cruise was just that, a comment.
Well of course they have a choice, just as you have a choice to sleep with a man or a woman. It's not a matter of "Can't help myself," it's more a matter of "why should I help myself?"
I think a "heterosexual" man might find sleeping with a woman more to his liking, but he could choose to sleep with a man. But no matter how long he did it, he'd still rather be with a woman.
There's nothing genetic about it, no more than there is for heterosexuals. It can't be handed down from generation to generation like blue eyes or heart disease.
Societies effect is more on how people view LGBT, thus indirectly it effects LGBT. Society tells us it's un-natural, and the more Christian the society, the more un-natural, it seems to me.
Sexuality is not an either/or proposition, people aren't either gay or straight, it's more of a sliding scale. Homophobia (I'm not accusing you here) is not fear of homosexuals, it's fear that you (the general you) might be gay, might be a little further along on that scale than you would like. Why wouldn't you want to be further along that scale? Because of society's view of homosexuality and it's effect on you (again, the general you).
In different societies, and in different times throughout history, homosexuality has been accepted.
Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla... and some people like strawberry... what's the big deal?
You asked... :cool:
It's cool. Sounds like you agree.
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
I have a choice?
:unsure:
Refer to scroff's earlier comment.
Example I happen to dislike skinny women. Thicker women with phat ass happen to give me a woody.
I have a choice in who I sleep with but I get wood when see a woman with phat ass. I could say I chose to get wood but we both know that's not case, right? :huh:
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Thats what i meant..
I have no choice in what type of woman "Turns me on"..
This is why i accept that it may well be the same for Gays... they dont "Choose" to be turned on by people of the same sex, it happens.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Scroff,
Since vid has nothing further to add besides, "I can't change so how can they" and has nothing else behind his opinion,
:dry:
I have lots more behind my opinion. I just don't see why i should have to go round in circles. You are not going to change your opinion on it and i am not going to change mine.
EVERY arguement you come up with has an equally valid counter. Same goes with every arguement i come up with.
AS I SAID IT'S ALL JUST OPINION.... NOT ONE SHRED OF ACTUAL PROOF.
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Bush didn't win. :rolleyes: Instead of Florida being the main state of the rigged election it was Ohio. :01:
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Originally Posted by vidcc
I have lots more behind my opinion. I just don't see why i should have to go round in circles. You are not going to change your opinion on it and i am not going to change mine.
EVERY arguement you come up with has an equally valid counter. Same goes with every arguement i come up with.
AS I SAID IT'S ALL JUST OPINION.... NOT ONE SHRED OF ACTUAL PROOF.
Soooo...you have nothing further to add. :blink: Glad we agree.
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Thats what i meant..
I have no choice in what type of woman "Turns me on"..
This is why i accept that it may well be the same for Gays... they dont "Choose" to be turned on by people of the same sex, it happens.
Good, now to go further...
Let's say you are turned on by skinny white women.
Were you born that way?
Nature or nurture?
I, for one, wasn't born to like women with phat ass. I grew up around it, maybe other fellas ogled it, who knows?
At the same time there are fellas that are around phat ass all the time and prefer the skinny women.
Now imagine a scientist who says that hmmm men that like voluptuous women have an enlarged corpuswhateverthefuck and those that like skinny women have small ones. We have a study of 500 men that says so.
Aww man I said I liked phat ass all this time because everyone else did. Now I'm coming about to say I like skinny women. :dry: I must have had a small corpuswhateverthefuck all along. My friend likes voluptuous and skinny women, he must have a medium sized corpuswhateverthefuck.
Everyone's preferences have a chemical signature, didn'tcha know? :huh:
