Do you own a gun?

Does anyone have statistics as to how many kids have been accidentally shot in their own homes by their parents guns? If so how do these statistics compare to the amount of burglars shot in a private house while carrying out a burglary?

It should make interesting reading.

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Originally Posted by bigboab

Does anyone have statistics as to how many kids have been accidentally shot in their own homes by their parents guns? If so how do these statistics compare to the amount of burglars shot in a private house while carrying out a burglary?

It should make interesting reading.

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Based on nothing but my own prejudice I am willing to bet that the figure is higher in the ewe essay than in the UK

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Originally Posted by bigboab

Does anyone have statistics as to how many kids have been accidentally shot in their own homes by their parents guns? If so how do these statistics compare to the amount of burglars shot in a private house while carrying out a burglary?

It should make interesting reading.

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According to data from the National Center for Health Statistics, in 2001 about 39% of the deaths that resulted from firearms injuries were homicides, 57% were suicides, 3% were unintentional, and 1% were of undetermined intent. (See table on firearm deaths by intent by age group).

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http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/frmdth.htm

Sorry, I had to add this too :lol:

http://www.rense.com/general62/gns.htm

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Originally Posted by Agrajag

You can't afford the attitude you do have, as you are their role model.

You appear to think that your personal dignity is more important than another person's life. That's just twisted.

I have said that I would do anything to defend my family and that is the case. Shooting another person is simply not my first option. If there were any way to deal with a situation which did not involve violence then I would take it. If however there were no other way then I would resort to it, but only as much as was needed.

I have made that pretty clear to anyone who took the time to read my posts and not just select one sentence from each to quote back.

I remain of the opinion that you and others having guns has made matters worse. I remain of the opinion that if you try to use the gun or aim it at someone then you will just make the situation worse.

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They won't have a role model if they are dead.

Quotes say alot. I mean you can't have it both ways.

Either something is murder or it isn't. You allude to protecting one's family when I allude to something darker in using a gun. What if it's a knife? :blink:

I can respect someone saying, "Get the fuck out of my house!!!" in lieu of firing first. I don't have six guns located in different corners and areas of the house for "protecting my shit".

I have it for being cornered.

I will go further and say that if someone attacks me in my house and they don't have a gun, they are getting shot as well.

I am under no obligation to fist fight, knife fight, etc an intruder due to a no gun ideal. He could slit my throat but yet......I held on to my "no gun policy". :dry:

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Originally Posted by JPaul

I have said that I would do anything to defend my family and that is the case.

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Good then we agree on something.

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Originally Posted by RPerry

Sorry, I had to add this too :lol:

http://www.rense.com/general62/gns.htm

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I think we've discussed that before.

I reckon the definition of accidental death is a tad loose there.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

They won't have a role model if they are dead.

Quotes say alot. I mean you can't have it both ways.

Either something is murder or it isn't. You allude to protecting one's family when I allude to something darker in using a gun. What if it's a knife? :blink:

I can respect someone saying, "Get the fuck out of my house!!!" in lieu of firing first. I don't have six guns located in different corners and areas of the house for "protecting my shit".

I have it for being cornered.

I will go further and say that if someone attacks me in my house and they don't have a gun, they are getting shot as well.

I am under no obligation to fist fight, knife fight, etc an intruder due to a no gun ideal. He could slit my throat but yet......I held on to my "no gun policy". :dry:

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It's murder if you unlawfully take someone's life, nothing difficult about that. If you use unreasonable force that is unlawful, as such it's murder.

You do have different degrees of murder, premeditated being only one of them. So actually no, you are wrong when you say either it's murder or it isn't. I believe you call it first, second and third degree murder.

It is different if it's a knife, depending on the type of knife. A knife is something you can reach for in the heat of the moment and react instinctively with. Obviously that would be something like a kitchen knife.

You however have 6 guns scattered about the house. They are designed to kill people and you bought them in advance. Hardly heat of the moment self defence.

It really is just a huge cultural / ethical difference between us. Never the twain and so forth.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

It's murder if you unlawfully take someone's life, nothing difficult about that. If you use unreasonable force that is unlawful, as such it's murder.

You do have different degrees of murder, premeditated being only one of them. So actually no, you are wrong when you say either it's murder or it isn't. I believe you call it first, second and third degree murder.

It is different if it's a knife, depending on the type of knife. A knife is something you can reach for in the heat of the moment and react instinctively with. Obviously that would be something like a kitchen knife.

You however have 6 guns scattered about the house. They are designed to kill people and you bought them in advance. Hardly heat of the moment self defence.

It really is just a huge cultural / ethical difference between us. Never the twain and so forth.

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Ok if I lawfully take someone's life, it's not murder.

1st, 2nd, are 3rd degree murder is still...wait for it....MURDER. :ohmy: So no, you're wrong. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree burns are still BURNS hence the included name. :dry:

I can instinctively reach for my gun in the heat of the moment. If there's a break-in at any place in the house, I am almost guaranteed a powerful weapon.

If you place any weapon around "for a just in case" situation, it is no different than a gun except I have a better chance of making it through my ordeal when it come down to it.

One thing I keep forgetting is that many of you haven't handled a gun to any degree whether you agreed with the ideal or not. I hate handling "instant death" as some see it, as well. However I know how to handle it (unlike many) and realize it will far fetched for me to ever have to use for confrontation.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

1st, 2nd, are 3rd degree murder is still...wait for it....MURDER. :ohmy: So no, you're wrong.

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I take it you were joking when you posted that, after having posted it's either murder or it isn't.

The bottom line is that you are an American, you think it's OK to have 6 guns in your home. It's a way of life thing, bowling for Columbine and all that sort of chap.

I would be more worried about the guns themselves than I am about someone entering my home with any intent other than burglary. Unless I am a victim of hamesucken, which would now be terribly ironic given my position.

Similar to yourself I have had some weapons training, but very little. More to do with recognising a variety of weapons and making them safe. I have only ever fired shotguns or air rifles, but I have handled most types of weapons from handguns to assault rifles. I don't like guns, well more I don't like what they are designed to do.

If you feel you need 6 guns in your home to be safe that's no problem with me, you live on another continent. However I wouldn't like my neighbour to do it.

It really seems to be a cultural deal.