Riaa Spies

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Originally posted by Faethe@2 August 2003 - 17:32

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Like I said earlier the fact that I have them online is not an implied permission for you to take them. Whether I switch this option on or not.

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Wrong. Perhaps you would like to take that argument to

http:\\www.eff.org

If you have items of whatever nature in your share folder, and are using a p2p folder - the implication is that you wish to share them. Whether you own the copyright on them or not is irrelevant - you are making these copies available for mass distribution on a p2p network. I find it hard to believe that the RIAA would approve of such a scheme, as it would implicate that they themselves are the originators of the material that they are seeking to defend. Try explaining THAT to a judge - we just had to spread more of it around to make damn sure we were nailing people who had copywritten material. Explain WHY you had to spread it around in the first place - and if your case is still alive at that point - prepare to be countersued into oblivion for FRAUD. And if you think still, that you have a valid technique for defending your copyright, by all means continue to do so, because I am positive CNN would love to broadcast the exact technique being employed by the RIAA to "ensnare" persons trading copywritten material.

Bullshit.

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Excellent post, well presented.

It would be easier for people if you could make that a quick link tho'

Like this I think

Don't think there are spies in this forum.

But more popular forum's like dslreports have spies

Jpaul - you are doing this just to be the spy for the day, huh? Come on - fess up. Because if that is the case, you are doing a fantastic job of it. If the RIAA is making use of viral techniques to spam message boards with propoganda - don't you think they would be making a more direct case? Like download a file - go directly to hell, and your mom will not love you anymore?

If you support the RIAA why not just say so? Its something to argue about at any rate...

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Originally posted by JPaul+2 August 2003 - 09:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 2 August 2003 - 09:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DasScoot@1 August 2003 - 22:54
Putting a file up on Kazaa is a lot less passive than just leaving your door unlocked. It&#39;s more like putting your TV out on the curb with a sign saying "Take this&#33;&#39;

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Not even remotely analagous.

There is no sign on my hard drive saying take this.

Neither is there any implied offer. Trust me, we have checked with some very expensive lawyers. Both in the US and Europe. [/b][/quote]
You actively have to download Kazaa, and install it.
You actively have to select the files to be shared (either by selecting the folder to be shared, or placing the files in the My Shared Folder).
The Kazaa network asks your computer &#39;what files can we download from you?&#39; and your computer responds with the files in your shared folders.




I honestly don&#39;t see how lawyers could consider that not being entrapment. But then, if they&#39;re RIAA lawyers, perhaps it&#39;d be more profitable for them to go along...

id just like to add that ive read an article which says that they will be going after the people who are sharing the files in the first place not neccesarilary the people who are actually downloading them&#33;&#33;&#33;

the point is that the people who are sharing the originals are the ones who are breaking the copywrite law and are the people who are fueling the industry&#33;&#33;&#33;

without the people who are holding huge amounts of files there would not be a p2p community, therefore that is why the riaa et al are chasing theses pepertrators first&#33;&#33;1

i think that means u mr jpaul or mr knowit all as u shall now be known&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;







i shall post a link to the article when i can find it again

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Originally posted by basics@2 August 2003 - 19:32
id just like to add that ive read an article which says that they will be going after the people who are sharing the files in the first place not neccesarilary the people who are actually downloading them&#33;&#33;&#33;

the point is that the people who are sharing the originals are the ones who are breaking the copywrite law and are the people who are fueling the industry&#33;&#33;&#33;

without the people who are holding huge amounts of files there would not be a p2p community, therefore that is why the riaa et al are chasing theses pepertrators first&#33;&#33;1

i think that means u mr jpaul or mr knowit all as u shall now be known&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;







i shall post a link to the article when i can find it again

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You really don&#39;t have a clue do you.

No matter how many time it is explained to you. Please read the words and try to understand them.

I live in the UK. The RIAA are unlikely to try to sue me, it is possible but very unlikely.

I disable showing people a list of what I have, I also use a proxy (and a NAT router for that matter). I change my own IP on a regular basis.

It&#39;s too much bother to come after someone like me, when there are easy targets, using KMD from a static IP, displaying a list of what they share.

me too;) so what di u think about the possibility of their uk counterparts to follow suit over here then?

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Originally posted by JPaul@2 August 2003 - 20:19
I live in the UK. The RIAA are unlikely to try to sue me, it is possible but very unlikely.

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Ah, I take it the facade has left the building.
That EFF thing did ya in I&#39;m guessing.
Gotta give Faethe credit, I&#39;ve seen some of his other posts.
Nice addition to the board.

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Originally posted by basics@2 August 2003 - 20:36
me too;) so what di u think about the possibility of their uk counterparts to follow suit over here then?

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The closest UK counterpart I can think of is Federation Against Copyright Theft. Their resources go on trying to catch people who are doing this for profit, selling DVDs and CDs at markets and car boot sales, that type of thing.

Take sensible precautions and you will be absolutely fine. There are plenty of easy targets, so until they start on them I wouldn&#39;t even think about it. Honestly it isn&#39;t a problem.

Unless you are one of the sheep who just blithely goes about using KMD, leaving their file list open etc.

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Originally posted by REALITY+2 August 2003 - 21:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY @ 2 August 2003 - 21:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@2 August 2003 - 20:19
I live in the UK. The RIAA are unlikely to try to sue me, it is possible but very unlikely.

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Ah, I take it the facade has left the building.
That EFF thing did ya in I&#39;m guessing.
Gotta give Faethe credit, I&#39;ve seen some of his other posts.
Nice addition to the board. [/b][/quote]
No I really am a spy, I just can&#39;t be bothered answering questions any more, it was an excellent post though. Well thought out and written.