Are there any good arguments against trading?

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

The question you posted, puckface, it´s not for me but I´d like to state my opinion: giveaways are a very irresponsible thing, a proof of disrespect to the tracker. In my firsts days here I made 1 or 2, fortunately only a few convinced me and I didn´t give not even the 20% of offered.
I can´t deny some users try to do it in a very demanding way and select winners very carefully. Even so I don´t like giveaways... I´ve seen excellent proofs, non traders, and respected users applying, but they requested something they didn´t know what it was exactly, or they didn´t like the site, or whatever, and many accounts are created and never used... in the best of the cases.
The first thing I have on my mind is that I am a guest in a private site, it´s not my site, I´m only there as an invitee, my first obligation is follow some rules and keep the behavior they expect from me.
Giveaways are exactly the same that trading.
I have given dozens of invites to very wanted and high leveled sites, but I like more to select the candidate by myself, I see a guy who is asking for a certain site, he insists, I check his profile and then it´s possible I call him via PM and make my own test. If he passes it, he may get it. So far that system has worked very well for me.
But giveaways for getting RP, to look like a cool guy or exhibit them later as a proof or helping and generous member when he asks for something is nothing else but crap.

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A very well put post that I do agree with :)
I personnally will not give invites to people on these sort of forums (with the odd exception that I know from else where) as I will not know them well enough.
Most sites do not like give aways as the chances are the rules state must give them to people you know and trust, now 90% of people here do not use there real nicks that they use for sites so how can you trust them? Also ratio prrofs with names blocked out could really be any ones that they have found on a numerous sites like this one.
I also do not see that a speed test proves any thing about a users capabilities to manage there torrents correctly. Also I have noticed people with ratio's as high as 20 on torrent sites that have wait times and this to me is more damaging to other members of that site than a ratio of 0.8 so I consider them as bad users on them sorts of sites, unless of course most of the excess upload against download is due to the fact they are either A an uploader there or have donated for gigs.

Now I know the topic is about trading accounts/invites which I also disagree with and this is due to its against site rules in 99.9% of cases, if you are a member of any site you should at least respect the rules of the site.

But to me the worst offenders are sellers of invites/accounts the owners/staff have more than likely spent not only a lot of time building the site but else there own money and by selling invites this is totally disrepecting them.
What would people say if the likes of stoi, brandon and other site owners started selling invites to help fund the sites costs. I am betting that there would be people here really tearing strips off them calling them money hungry %*!$'s. Yet some people think that selling invites is no different than trading, this I cannot figure out why!!!


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Well put stoi :)

i would have to agree with stoi.
even both really want to get in the trackers. and will use the account and seed back what they've downloaded, then i think trading for that is okay.

but if both only want to have the tracker so that they can boast themselves then it would be very wrong to do so..

That why if you do trade for a BCG buffered account, it useless to most traders, even if its got 300TB buffer.

if you download # of torrents (and its in single figures) and dont upload anything on them, or dont seed them for the SP, you go into KL and cant download anymore.

So the damage that you can do on BCG is minimul.

@KennyX in reply to your reply style

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The majority of users, traders or not, just dont give a damn about community. They post on forums only when there is a problem: they never join IRC, never give torrent comments and generally use the tracker only to download stuff. So what if traders are not big on community, they just act like the majority of users do.

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So your just there for the goods gtfo, there is no thanks for the effort of others, and capping/encoding/racing/uploading all takes time & effort, but they can get stuffed this is all for your own entertainment.....nice

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They are thieves, just like me, and have no inherent right of moral superiority over anyone else who uses FST. People like benchez, or anyone else in the anti-trade brigade, are the real scum of the torrent world as they are so morally hypocritical; not us average FST users as we dont claim to be morally superior, better or more elite than anyone else.

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You do realise you've managed to single out a staff member of a tracker, to hurl these little nuggets of wisdom at, actually one of several staff members in this thread and not the only one you have managed to insult. Well done wish you luck if you ever need their help. You just don't get it, the bit torrent section isn't the be all and end all, this is a forum where alot of different people meet, and many of the people you have chosen to be so vehement at have been in the community for a very long time, because unlike you they view it as a community.

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

The question you posted, puckface, it´s not for me but I´d like to state my opinion: giveaways are a very irresponsible thing, a proof of disrespect to the tracker. In my firsts days here I made 1 or 2, fortunately only a few convinced me and I didn´t give not even the 20% of offered.
I can´t deny some users try to do it in a very demanding way and select winners very carefully. Even so I don´t like giveaways... I´ve seen excellent proofs, non traders, and respected users applying, but they requested something they didn´t know what it was exactly, or they didn´t like the site, or whatever, and many accounts are created and never used... in the best of the cases.
The first thing I have on my mind is that I am a guest in a private site, it´s not my site, I´m only there as an invitee, my first obligation is follow some rules and keep the behavior they expect from me.
Giveaways are exactly the same that trading.
I have given dozens of invites to very wanted and high leveled sites, but I like more to select the candidate by myself, I see a guy who is asking for a certain site, he insists, I check his profile and then it´s possible I call him via PM and make my own test. If he passes it, he may get it. So far that system has worked very well for me.
But giveaways for getting RP, to look like a cool guy or exhibit them later as a proof or helping and generous member when he asks for something is nothing else but crap.

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well the question was really for everyone and I appreciate your response.

I think the big problem is how and where its done.

Lets take 2 members and 3 trackers i just pulled out of thin air.

Both members are in BitmeTV, they both take part in the IRC and the forums. they get to know each other.

they talk for a few weeks, one asks the other if he knows any 0 day trackers, because he hasnt got any, the other asks if he knows any games trackers, because he hasnt go a specialised games tracker, but he loves games.

they each have an Invite to FTN and BCG (if either of us had invites)

so they invite each other, to those 2 trackers, after getting to know one another. they are both in each others invite tree so they should keep an eye on each other, and as they have been talking for a few weeks anyway, they should know each other well enough.

and who gives a fuck if one is lvl 9 and the other is lvl 2, they both want those trackers to use them, so whats the harm. (they are both just trackers after all).

but doing it on FST to anyone that can give you fake screenshots and fake speed tests is just bollocks. it shows that you cant have a very good judgement to who you invite and you do not care about the tracker.

When i do giveaways on here, i add everyone i give an account to my friends list.

the amount of loosers that dont use the account, get into KL never to return, or just plain cheat right in front of me is ridiculous.

not many are saints on here, thats not to say you dont get some, but they are few and far between i have to say.

what i am trying to say is, if i can do giveaways and get scum, what chance have yous got.

Seems like everyone wants their "piece" of manuscript to be a "Sticky" so that all will remember, how "clever" & Articulate they have written......LOL

Did Not know this is a Literary , Essay or thesis or dissertation Forum.....must have join the "wrong" Forum.....help me !.....LMAO

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Originally Posted by Artemis

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Originally Posted by kooftspc11

there is really nothing wrong with trading. yeah, its against site rules but.....

traders dont bother me as much as anti-traders do. i dont like pepsi but i dont feel the need to put it in my signature nor do i think its necessary to adopt an outwardly anti-pepsi mentality and smear it all over a forum

wtf?

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ahhhhh I see my favorite little forum troll is back to toss some more flames on the fire then sod off to watch the mayhem........ it gets less fun when people get wise to you

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ahhh i see my #1 fan on fst...how do you do, sir?

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Originally Posted by Artemis

@KennyX in reply to your reply style



So your just there for the goods gtfo, there is no thanks for the effort of others, and capping/encoding/racing/uploading all takes time & effort, but they can get stuffed this is all for your own entertainment.....nice

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They are thieves, just like me, and have no inherent right of moral superiority over anyone else who uses FST. People like benchez, or anyone else in the anti-trade brigade, are the real scum of the torrent world as they are so morally hypocritical; not us average FST users as we dont claim to be morally superior, better or more elite than anyone else.

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You do realise you've managed to single out a staff member of a tracker, to hurl these little nuggets of wisdom at, actually one of several staff members in this thread and not the only one you have managed to insult. Well done wish you luck if you ever need their help. You just don't get it, the bit torrent section isn't the be all and end all, this is a forum where alot of different people meet, and many of the people you have chosen to be so vehement at have been in the community for a very long time, because unlike you they view it as a community.

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Do you think anyone will tell ben that this oaf called him "real scum".

Why should he (not ben, the oaf) care though. He has decided that his opinion is more important than anyone else's. Based on arguments that go along the lines of "Why lock your door, people can get in anyway?" Fantastic, if entirely specious logic.

Anyway, the bottom line is if it's against a site owners rules then that's it. You can speak to him and try to change their mind. However if you decide to just break their rules, then it's you who is the scum, that's just a fact.

I like how people love to argue the point that traders can be honest people who only stop once they've got their one "dream" tracker. Start viewing the post/thread history of random traders in the trading section, and tell me if you still have the audacity to argue that point.