Should Trading be totally Stopped???

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Originally Posted by Falchion17

Yes! I was really looking forward to getting into GFT this weekend but they closed it due to traders!

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No they close it due to ass kissers.:hug:

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Originally Posted by bilkenter

TT is great, i agree with specialised high lvl trackers, they are definitely worth. I can purely pay 50 dollar just to get in tt, tt definitely deserves it. Yet other general trackers, i highly doubt. A friend of mine asked my opinion on certain site recently, he has been looking for it for 1 year and half to get in, gosh it was such a waste of time, i kinda blame staff for it, forcing people to chase after a site that isnt worth chasing for 1 year and half... That is pretty freaking. Staff shall actually engage in dialogues regarding their sites a lot more. Or their members shall do it otherwise more and more people will end up looking for disappointment.

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The attractiveness of a tracker boils down to the tracker exclusive content IMHO. Everyone needs general trackers, of course, but some of the very best ones are relatively easy to join. So a "high level" general tracker can simply not be as attractive as a "high level" tracker with specialised, tracker exclusive content, simply because you can easily find the content of that "high level general tracker" (God I hate this....) elsewhere. And as far as pre times are concerned, the differences are really marginal when it comes to 0day content.

Some sites do actually want the 'elitist' touch. This is likely influenced by the 'real scene', where this kind of attitude is prevalent.

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Invites: CLOSED!!!!!!!! \o/ There wont be any invites in saturday most you can thank to Traders! We will be open when FST closes for good ^^

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This was the message.

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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu

How does trading destroy trackers security and giving away doesn't??

If you want to stop trading be objective and stop giveaways as well because they ARE both against the any tracker's rules.

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i agree with this point.
well-motivated requests should be the only way to get into a tracker imho.

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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu

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Why don't you PM tracker staff and ask them what they think about you giving away invites on FST. Don't be surprised if you get disabled.

I'm not saying that we should keep invites for ourselves and our RL friends. This is what trackers want us to do. But I'm saying trading is as "bad" as giving away. If you think that some shitty ratio proofs are measures of security than LOL. Besides if you trade you can technically ask for ratio proofs as well. So trading from one perspective brings exactly same consqeuences onto the tracker - I was doing plenty of GA and guess what, half of my invitees from FST was disabled. If it comes to traders it's very rare you will see your invitee disabled.

So question of tracker security and other crap is irrelevant here. It's equally "destructive". The remaining question is pure ethics. Is it fine to trade it. And I will tell you that YES. It's fine because is totally up to you what you do with your invites. The only exeption is when you have to pay money. See, I was invited to many great trackers as a giveaway and I always felt gratitude so I invited these people somewhere esle as well. So even though it was technically a GA we exchanges invites just like trade. Do you consider that bad? I don't think so? Why? Because now days people (especially noobs) are getting very frustrated that they can't obtain some of the trackers they wish they had. They make request for FTN, and no one wants to invite then but in the trading section they see a guy trading FTN invite. What do these people think? - I would say they think: "What an f-in asshole... I want invite and he has one, but he won't give it to me". Here you go. I just explained why noobs are so anti-trading. It comes from pure noobness and hipocracy that isn't a pretty thing so they cover that and say "it's for tracker security puroses". BS.If you were concerned about tracker security you wouldnt even speak about this tracker on forum like this. (example E****).

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There is one place where I offer my invites and if I asked the staff about it, they'd say it's a great site. I'm sorry for you, but I didn't start of at FST. Besides I ask for profile links 95% of the time, unless I know the person.

2.) It's a whole other thing mentioning a tracker and trading your way in or making a GA/REQ. IMO.

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Originally Posted by The_Martinator

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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu

"IMO"...

Why don't you PM tracker staff and ask them what they think about you giving away invites on FST. Don't be surprised if you get disabled.

I'm not saying that we should keep invites for ourselves and our RL friends. This is what trackers want us to do. But I'm saying trading is as "bad" as giving away. If you think that some shitty ratio proofs are measures of security than LOL. Besides if you trade you can technically ask for ratio proofs as well. So trading from one perspective brings exactly same consqeuences onto the tracker - I was doing plenty of GA and guess what, half of my invitees from FST was disabled. If it comes to traders it's very rare you will see your invitee disabled.

So question of tracker security and other crap is irrelevant here. It's equally "destructive". The remaining question is pure ethics. Is it fine to trade it. And I will tell you that YES. It's fine because is totally up to you what you do with your invites. The only exeption is when you have to pay money. See, I was invited to many great trackers as a giveaway and I always felt gratitude so I invited these people somewhere esle as well. So even though it was technically a GA we exchanges invites just like trade. Do you consider that bad? I don't think so? Why? Because now days people (especially noobs) are getting very frustrated that they can't obtain some of the trackers they wish they had. They make request for FTN, and no one wants to invite then but in the trading section they see a guy trading FTN invite. What do these people think? - I would say they think: "What an f-in asshole... I want invite and he has one, but he won't give it to me". Here you go. I just explained why noobs are so anti-trading. It comes from pure noobness and hipocracy that isn't a pretty thing so they cover that and say "it's for tracker security puroses". BS.If you were concerned about tracker security you wouldnt even speak about this tracker on forum like this. (example E****).

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There is one place where I offer my invites and if I asked the staff about it, they'd say it's a great site. I'm sorry for you, but I didn't start of at FST. Besides I ask for profile links 95% of the time, unless I know the person.

2.) It's a whole other thing mentioning a tracker and trading your way in or making a GA/REQ. IMO.

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If you havent noticed which you havent, there are no E**** GA, Trades or mentioning. LOL, what kind of tracker you are talking about. I'm talking about respected trackers that many users pursue and your probably talking about some garbage tracker that invites everyone who is willing to spend 2 minutes writing a request.

Very simple way to stop trading.... Close down invites (like Hdbits did).... and its all the better for it.

why not simply requesting the tracker(s) you wish to get into?
no matter what the level is as long as the request is well-motivated with 'real' arguments (and not full of those sophisms we generally see in every single request).

for the record, i know at least one fst member who managed to get into FSC after making a decent request... so why not?

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Originally Posted by RexNex

Very simple way to stop trading.... Close down invites (like Hdbits did).... and its all the better for it.

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Then that leads to account trading. :P

Really though, I'm against trading and haven't done it before. I tend to agree with cinephilia in that with a good request it's possible to get into nearly any tracker.

This whole thread is devolving into a gigantic flamewar though. Really, with such subject matter of course that was bound to happen.
It's not realistic for trading to be stopped completely. If trading was forbade on this forum, users would just move to others. Better for there to be a large, easily monitored forum to view trading activity than to have to sort through the splinter forums that would be created if trading was stopped here. History has shown that prohibition rarely works and often backfires. Totally prohibiting trading here would just make the whole trading situation worse.

yes or no - nothing will change. delate started exactly the same thread not so long ago. skizo posted something about wind, i don't remember for sure what, but it was mean that trade will allowed here