Also, don't believe too strongly that most of the old members are gone. I get the feeling they're still here but under different aliases/IP addresses.
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Also, don't believe too strongly that most of the old members are gone. I get the feeling they're still here but under different aliases/IP addresses.
I know where that is coming form but please don't generalize about the staff here.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
And as for the idea of old members creating new identities , what would be the point?
I think the truth has already been said that rereading the same stuff over and over becomes pretty tedious after a while and so they drifted away.Perfectly understandable.
Seems some still lurk , probably curious to see if any of their old friends are still around but that's about the extent of their involvement here.
well its the upper staff obviously, you have not got a lot of say at all, we seen that with detale who tried and failed miserably. (and i do mean that in a good way to you mods, if it sounded bad it was not meant to be)
but on the flip side, if 1 tracker staff is a bastard, the whole tracker gets bad rep off the OP that is complaining on here, and nothing is done about that...
Noted .
I've posted on many a thread that that kind of talk shouldn't be taken seriously ( especially by people who create accounts specifically to do that sort of thing ) but I'll try to do better in the future .
This is a very good point. This is how I showed up here a year and a half ago, and if I hadn't been turned onto the right path by some members here I probably would've started trading or begging.Quote:
Most people wind up here from a search engine, therefore you have to consider the keywords they typed in to wind up here. Or, if they wound up here from a post on some other site they frequent, you have to take into consideration the context of that forum or post. And you can generally assume those keywords/contexts summarize the mentality of people who wind up here.
This is never going to change. The staff here allow blatant disregard of core tracker rules to take place. What confuses me about the staff here is that they're willing to remove some posts (often dealing with secret trackers) from the regular BT talk, but they're unwilling to put a stop to the trading which has blemished this community's image forever. The staff here will always be bitter towards the hatred displayed towards FST on various other torrent forums and torrent trackers, and tracker staff will always be bitter about what goes on at FST.Quote:
2: Staff of trackers are treat like crap, we are the enemy, if we say white, the staff of here say black (now i can understand this, but their point blank refusal to even accept an olive branch or even listen sometimes gets on my wick), I would even go as far to say that traders are respcted more, but meh, will shut up there are skizo will have a go at me again for going on and on about the same thing.
Really, there are a few types of members here. There are a few "old guard" type folks that already have the trackers they need and treat this as a place for discussion or for giving out their unneeded invites. There are some new folks that also seem to get involved right off the bat, but I'd question some of their motives as many of them no doubt believe that post count = more invites for them. Then there are the noobs that show up here, make a few posts, and start begging for stuff on day 30. There's the trader scum that this place is judged by, and there are the tracker staff here to provide support and catch the traders. There are, of course, average members that give away invites and hope to receive them in return while participating in the site in general, but these seem to be few and far between. This all leads to a rather dysfunctional site dynamic and doesn't really promote quality posting.
Which leads me to why I still read these forums (or the main reason). I view many threads created here as a source of entertainment, as threads (like those idiotic ones about TTC last week) are a spectacle that are chuckled about both here and elsewhere.
Thinking about it a bit more as well, there are other reasons.
There just is not the quantity of filesharing programs any more.
K-lite is dead
Emule-Edonkey may as well be
Win-MX is dead (or last i heard it was)
Users own FTPs are dead, you dont get many FTPs with 30KBs upload anymore lol if you want an FTP its on a server and you have to pay for it, and the ones that have them they are not going to advertise on here.
IRC as a filesharing medium is not as big anymore (it probably is but you dont here about it so much these days).
All that is left is.
Bittorrent
Rapidshare
Newsgroups.
Now, most of the top list, never had forums, or things to discuss the releases etc, so members used to do that here. 2 of the bottom list, Bittorrent and Rapidshare, have their own forums/comments, so members can discuss things there instead of here. and with newsgroups, there are plenty other search engines to use than here (not that they dont do a good job here, but its in the forum, if they had a seperate search index it may be better).
Yes, you can discuss things here that you cant discuss on the above, but not a lot, and the same things being discussed over and over again gets boring.
Yes, the staff say that its not just about bittorrent, ok its not, but if a noob goes into the lounge, they dont even chew them up, they swallow them whole, i have been here since 2003 and have over 3,000 posts, and i wont even go into the lounge lol
There just is not a lot to talk about on here anymore, whereas before when it was K-lite (like i mentioned in a previous post) we used to tell members what we were ripping, and when it would be done, and then give them the link and they used to be the first to grab it (just like uploading torrents i suppose it was addictive, but now that is discussed on torrent forums and not here) so it felt a lot more involved than it does now, all they really have on here now is NZBs which i have grabbed i think 3 from here in 6 years.
People move on, sites move on, you have to go with the times, and FST`s way of doing that, to get members into the forum, was to have the bittorrent section with the giveaways and trades, if they never had that, i very much doubt many would join, and even less would stay.
To me the personality has been stripped from this place, some members still think this is the place to be, and this is better than tracker forums, but sorry i just cant see that at all, its just not like it used to be to me, and if anything, the bittorrent giveaways and trades has made this a worse place, because most of the helpful members have left (either because of it, or for their own reasons) and they have replaced them with members that just want everything now, and cant be arsed to work for it (which is another reason old members may have left). (which does not make for a good lasting community i am afraid).
anyway enough of my rambling, going to bed now as its 05:30am.
I highly doubt that FST is to blame people's lackings because ( however much you wish it)morality isn't something effected by creating rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by ca_aok
By your line of reasoning then the trackers themselves would be mostly to blame for trading since they allow people invites and the free will to do with them what they want.
As for "the staff " being bitter ,not to my knowledge .
I do harbor a bit of resentment though over the fact how some people (such as apparently yourself) seem to have the ability know the hearts and minds ( :dabs: reduced to quoting Lydon Johnson) of others while I do not.
View FST as Gommorah if you wish but that's far from the truth and I think that ( all acknowledgments to current fashion aside ) we both know that.
I think that there are as many types of members here as there are people.Quote:
Originally Posted by ca_aok
Which part of the staff are you talking about? Let's take BT mods as an example. It's not their fault the wtaw thread or the trading section exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by ca_aok
They only do their job which is moderating and making sure the rules are followed.
Deleting selected posts has simply something to do with the rules (spam for instance is very usual is so called secret tracker discussions). ;)
Last time I checked (which was a while ago) they also acted as middle men which is facilitating trading. Is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zip
I think they stopped that.
but as to zips post, T.S.O.L was WTAW for ages before he even got mod on here, he pmed me with that tidbit of info quite a while ago, now though he is staff here, and everyone knows it was him (not by me though, this is the first time i have told anyone).
So no its not their fault as they were probably not even members when they sprung up, and if they do fight it, they get told they are siding with us and make a choice. So they cant do anything about it anyway, but they are not all as innocent as they seem.