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Cutting off womans hands for that offense may not seem moral to you, but that was the law back then. Much of the Old testament laws no longer apply for now. They were intended for the Jewish people for those days. The New Testiment is for now. Going around cutting off womans hands is not necessary. Just the same way that many people were stoned back then, Jesus showed that it was no longer required now (St. John 8:1-11).
So what it was the law back than? So are you telling me that this christian god of yours follows the laws of man and not his own? So if the law now is that I have free will to choose any religion I want and express it freely without punishment, would I be forgiven in heaven because that is the law at the time? And can we forgive Hitler for killing so many Jews, because at the time he made the law that they should be exterminated?
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I never said that the killing of the plagued people was morally right or wrong. Moses was the one that gave the order. Many of the prophets did things back then that are now deemed unnecessary. It is unfair to judge God by the deeds of men. People are not perfect, and they will make mistakes.
Without man, how would the Bible or your religion exist? If it weren't for man, you would never have had the faith of Christianity in the first place. Without man writing the Bible, there would be 0 of a Christian gods deeds. It doesn't matter anyway if Moses commanded it, because in the Bible, god is a fierce and jealous man who slays those who don't believe in "him". So if man is not perfect, than i guess you can say neither is God, because got is a man, remember?
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The "Thou shalt not kill" is a misstranslation from the original hebrew. It really means "Thou shalt do no murder". Killing and murder are two differant things.
kill1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kl)
v. killed, kill·ing, kills
v. tr.
To put to death.
To deprive of life
To put an end to; extinguish
To destroy a vitally essential quality in
To cause to cease operating
To tire out completely; exhaust
To pass (time) in aimless activity
To consume entirely; finish off
To cause extreme pain or discomfort to
To mark for deletion; rule out
To thwart passage of; veto
mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mūrdr)
n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.
v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v. tr.
To kill (another human) unlawfully.
To kill brutally or inhumanly.
To put an end to; destroy
To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
Slang. To defeat decisively; trounce.
Seems like they are the same shit to me! :)
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Killing is ok if its for capital punishment or if your defending your life or war
So I guess we can agree that when God commanded Moses to kill all males, females known to sleeping with man, and all little children, it wouldn't be ok because you are not defending your life, and it is not capital punishment. Also, when God commands people to be stoned or slayed for not having the same faith that would mean he is murdering. Am I right?
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The unpardonable sin was very serious in God's eyes. Anyone who would go so far as to say that Jesus was doing all his miracles by the power of the devil would never believe in him anyway, and would be condemned just the same.
So men have no rights or freedom?
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Do I believe God is Omnipotent? Well, I believe that God can do all things that are possible.
Answer the question.
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As to the baptized part you mentioned in St. Mark 16:16. The "baptized" your thinking about is not the water baptizing that is done in churches today, but I believe it is referring to the spiritual baptism of the Holy Spirit (St. John
1:29-33). What about the caring Muslims? or the peacefull buddhist monks? Well the Muslim people go by the Koran, and the Koran says that Jesus was from God and it records many of the miracles that he did. Jesus said that "No man comes
to the Father, but by me" (St. John 14:6). The Muslims should not give credibility to Jesus if they're not going to believe what he said. As for the poor buddhist monks, it doesn't matter what they believe. God makes the rules on salvation so what man thinks makes no differance.
I'm lost. Are you telling me that no matter how you act on earth, your salvation depends on whatever religion you are from? :unsure:
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You don't have to go to church to go to Heaven. God made salvation very simple and easy. Salvation is a free gift to those that are willing to accept it (St. John 3:16). God is not making the way to Heaven so hard as to be unreachable. Many religions of the world like to put control on peoples lives, to police them into submission. All that God wants people to know is that dispite the fact that we screw-up, and we fall short of His perfect standard, He wants us to know that He is willing to wipe our slates clean, and give us a new start. Make us a child of His by adoption. All that we have to do is believe and accept what He said by faith.
Ok right now you are a FUCKING IDIOT. How can you tell me whats GOING to happen, and what your god wants when your religion is based on faith? Faith is the belief of something without any proof or facts. So how can you tell me I am going to hell if you are simply guessing I am? Isn't that puerile? How are you positive that I am going to hell through faith? That doesn't make sense. Maybe you're thinking of another word there, buddy. I couldn't read what you said after that simply because you just showed me you have no idea on what the fuck your saying. :lol:
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(St. Luke 12:51-53) The "division" is the same like we have right now. The original word in the greek means "disunion of opinion", like we have right now between you and me. Before Jesus came the families of a household were for the most part agreeing on the matter of God's Word. But Jesus new that he would cause the families of a household to be divided because of him (some would accept him, and some wouldn't). He came with the truth. The truth will divide people. He wasn't talking about about violence like you mentioned about you punching your mom in the mouth. The word that was translated as "peace" in the greek can also mean "quietness". Jesus came not to cause "quietness" on the Earth, but he came to cause "disunion of opinion" is a better translation.
The thing is, he didn't say. "When I come there will be not be peace." Jesus said according to the bible, "I have not come to bring peace on earth, I came to bring division."
Unless "Came" means "Division is inevitable" or some other shit. I see your argument as shit so far. :P
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You ask why didn't the churches fix the error in the translation of St. Luke 14:26 (the "hate" "love less"). This error is well know in the Bible community.
But why had they not fixed the error?
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Why do you only quote part of the verse? 1 Corinthians 7:4 reads "The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife".
Becuase it pointed out the other quotes against women in the Bible. <_<
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Again you took my words out of context. At the time when I almost died I was scared of death not knowing what to expect on the otherside, but I later accepted God's salvation, then I had peace of mind when it came to the whole death thing.
HAHAAHA. Right, don't you think fearing little demons on "the otherside" (Whereever that is) is a bit unhealthy?
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Its a real shame you have so much hate for the Bible and God. Seems that your trying your best to trash the Bible. Did some religion do you wrong or something?
Huh? Where did I say I hated the Bible? In fact, on the contrary, I think the Bible is a great tool on controlling society back then, but seeing how outdated it is, I can't believe people still follow it. Also, who said I hated god? I don't hate god, I just hate your fierce, and wrathful God (Ps 2:11). God on the otherhand, is everything around me, not a fat white man with a beard and naked angels who masturbates to our every move.
