anybody else feel like the arse is falling out of the nzb download world?

whats up with psswords for some rar now?

To the 2 or 3 people in the thread who have expressed the idea that the Usenet is dying, you could not be any more far off your rockers. The Usenet is the largest content store on the web period. If you are not able to navigate the Usenet, find a friend who can show you some pointers. A true Usenet user does not rely solely on nzbs and indexes to find article sets. The problem is not the Usenet, the problem is the lack of knowledge on some users part that prevents them from getting the most out of the Usenet. What would be really cool is if one day the media companies powers that be woke up and asked Usenet providers to store their highest quality content and then make that content available for streaming or download for a monthly fee - MPAA etc would make monster profits and so would the Usenet companies, the infrastructure is already there to store massive amounts of content.

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Originally Posted by lavangbay

yeah.... most of good stuff are being dcma'd rather very quickly nowaday... is usenet going into the toilet in a near future???

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looks to be that way.. to state clearly DMCA'd stuff is targeted stuff.. aka a company is being paid to make sure "superman" isn't on usenet.. or game of thrones too (hbo/time warner I guess)

Now that doesn't mean it isn't on usenet.. it could be on there a 100 times over.. :rolleyes: but if the files aren't named "superman" than yah it can be hard to find out which files are really superman..

Here are the facts as I understand them

1. Servers, bandwidth and electricity aka usenet = yes

2. If usenet continues to lose content that has no value.. than it is a fact lots and lots of usenet subscribers that won't pay $5 to $25 a month for usenet anymore.. and fact server companies/usenet providers go out of business at some point

3. While there is tons of non-targeted content on usenet for DMCA as like nobody gives a damn for example if "farscape" "northern exposure" or the A-team is on usenet :D

4. But the fact remains at some point even this non-targeted content will expire and has to be re-uploaded (it usually is.. depends)

5. Fact usenet content that is targeted is non-discrimitary.. for example let's say I rar up my family photo collection but name that file(s) "superman 1080" my understanding or guess here is those who are sending the kill posts just target by name without even checking the content and that's a bad thing cause they don't even allow that on youtube.. theres no one fighting kill posts and as I understand it one could theoretically send a kill post for all the data on usenet.. and in 1 second flat (or so) all the data on usenet could be wiped in a instant (or at least it's a interesting idea :D)

The overall availability has definitely shrunk.

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Originally Posted by theemaster

4. But the fact remains at some point even this non-targeted content will expire and has to be re-uploaded (it usually is.. depends)

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Really, most top servers (Astra, Giga, Blocknews, and at least 2-3 others) started stopping letting things 'roll off' their plants (in other words, buying drive space to 'keep up' with posting, even as posting continued to 'explode') around July/August 2008. That what I call 'day zero'.

So, unless some major foul-up occurs, that's how far back things are 'still there'. Every once in a while I actually run a NZBcc test on something back to around then that I know was posted either 100% or nearly so, and will actually d/l it just to make absoluetly sure.

The big problem (for someone searching) is that the 'open' indexers (primarily Binsearch NZBIndex) only go back some 1000-1300 days; there are some 'workarounds' in that many newsreaders are 'linked' to usenet servers (usually Giganews) that allow searching of the entire database on that server plant.

And yes, for the things that do get 'wacked' if the original poster (or someone who was 'quick on the draw') reposts it (either in 'original' form, 'open' form, or additionally encrypted) then it does help.

However, for all those encrypted postings, there are just about as many 'schemes' as there are grains of sand on the local beach. Those that rely on 'private' web sites are one, but a lot of folks post in a way that by utilizing one of those 'open' indexers gives one the actual name, by using 'the google' leads one to the naming/encryption scheme, and many others.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no real 'drift' toward one method or another, although the 'private' websites seem to be 'winning' a goodly chunk of that war, although the big problem with that is that all 'they' need to do is get access to those sites, and everything they *think* they have protected is zapped. In fact, I've seen where 'fake' postings of such 'private' postings seem to be on the rise, so that's perhaps already happening and most folks don't see it.

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Originally Posted by theemaster

5. Fact usenet content that is targeted is non-discrimitary.. for example let's say I rar up my family photo collection but name that file(s) "superman 1080" my understanding or guess here is those who are sending the kill posts just target by name without even checking the content and that's a bad thing cause they don't even allow that on youtube.. theres no one fighting kill posts and as I understand it one could theoretically send a kill post for all the data on usenet.. and in 1 second flat (or so) all the data on usenet could be wiped in a instant (or at least it's a interesting idea :D)[/INDENT]

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No such thing as a kill button. That would make it pretty easy for 1 provider to shut several down at once, it would be like the cold war again but for usenet.

I think the title of this thread is a little symbolic of the problem. nzb download world! Usenet is what's important, not nzbs. People have tried to make Usenet more like Bittorrent, that's not really necessary. With automatic downloading of new content and longer retention, I don't think getting stuff is a problem. And the price isn't a factor. A cheap Dutch server 60mbps account is as little as $6.30 a month, and they allow sharing. Split 3 ways, it's $2.10 per. Torrent people pay much more for seedboxes.

Lots of NZB sites are going down

Seems to be more difficult to find good content :(

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Originally Posted by budbud

Lots of NZB sites are going down

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One die, and another born :yup:

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Originally Posted by sirplayalot

Seems to be more difficult to find good content :(

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Yeah, thats why posters do what they do now, if you can not find it, means says F*CK to DMCA (try search better, or join some private sites) :cool: