Thanks man!! But unlike you there are ppl who still wont agree!!Quote:
Originally posted by RGX@4 March 2004 - 17:13
Definatly some food for thought, thanks unreal, I love theories like this :)
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Thanks man!! But unlike you there are ppl who still wont agree!!Quote:
Originally posted by RGX@4 March 2004 - 17:13
Definatly some food for thought, thanks unreal, I love theories like this :)
;)
What i don't like is the way they left the movies i mean they had 3 movies and at the end machines still hold all the power but there not going to use it. I personally liked the bit when they saw the real sky and i wanted them to be let out of there dirty cave in the ground (bunch of squatters) :lol: . Also could you explain the oracles part in the neo and Asmith fight. Also what was the point of that little girl. Also what was neo can u explain to me the architect scene in the second film. thanks.
Your first and second question are answered in the explanation i posted. You will have to go thru the trouble of reading it. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@4 March 2004 - 20:11
What i don't like is the way they left the movies i mean they had 3 movies and at the end machines still hold all the power but there not going to use it. I personally liked the bit when they saw the real sky and i wanted them to be let out of there dirty cave in the ground (bunch of squatters) :lol: . Also could you explain the oracles part in the neo and Asmith fight. Also what was the point of that little girl. Also what was neo can u explain to me the architect scene in the second film. thanks.
This will answer your question abt the architect and the neo conversation !! B)Quote:
Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of The One... The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program."
Translated, the Architect is explaining that Neo was designed to be a religious figure to the freed humans, thus causing them to put their faith (hope) in Neo and to rally around him ("...sum of a remainder..."). This helps to ensure that the freed humans are focused on Neo instead of war, and to keep them all together in one place, Zion (which was built by the machines for this purpose also). Neo is a form of control in the real world.
And just to make sure that Neo carries out his part of their plan, the machines programmed him with "... a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the [humans]." This, along with his enhanced abilities and the "guidance" of the Oracle, keeps him on the intended course.
The Architect also states that "The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program." This simply means that The One program in Neo's mind is the most important (prime) program in the Matrix, and that now that his mission (purpose) is complete, he must return to the source for deletion (all machines must have a purpose). The phrase "... temporary dissemination..." means that the The One program will be used again in the next version of the Matrix. This is also why Neo's choice of the left door will destroy the Matrix, as there can be only one The One in the Matrix at any time. By staying in the Matrix Neo is preventing it from being reloaded, as a reload will do nothing without another The One for the next version. (In programming terms he is the highest priority task, and he will not release the Matrix program's main semaphore.)
MY Mistake.............Edited !!
You seem to have left out the fact that:Quote:
Originally posted by unreal_dude@4 March 2004 - 11:26
one more piece of evidence to supplement the point that machines can see only machines is that when Thomas Anderson is freed there is a sentinel nearby ......
if the sentinel cud see like Mr. busyman points out it cud have easily killed Thomas Anderson.....
i think that will be enuf to supplement the fact that machines can only see machines !!
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That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.
The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.
I can't remember which movie, maybe it was in Animatrix, but the sentinels jabbed humans through and through to kill them.
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The sentinels were made to kill humans, not just hovercrafts.
Good lord your head is so far up the Matrix your common sense about the movie is gone.
Dude plz man plz read the explanation i posted ..........so u might figure out why the machines could see neo.Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@4 March 2004 - 23:54
You seem to have left out the fact that:
That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.
The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.
I can't remember which movie, maybe it was in Animatrix, but the sentinels jabbed humans through and through to kill them.
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The sentinels were made to kill humans, not just hovercrafts.
Good lord your head is so far up the Matrix your common sense about the movie is gone.
So that might probably answer y .............i)That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.Quote:
Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The One" template program). That's why, at the end of Revolutions, when his body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow is how the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of Smith inside Bane's mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape of the Smith.
But the orange glow isn't the only reason to believe Neo is a machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He's a machine.", "Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.
ii)The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.
Plus one more thing ......... if u say that i m such a big fan of the matrix trilogy ............then u too probably are cuz otherwise u wudnt have bothered 2 post abt it.
Only thing is
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I m also of the opinion that most ppl dint like the 2 and 3rd part cuz they simply perceived matrix as another action movie !!
busy man i gave off the wrong impression with my asnwer. i meant that the humans had previously had a strong defence. strong enough to hold off the mechs from entering the human populated zone of zion where all the controls were. but once the second wave of them had arrived the humans were only then about to be destroyed. so i agree their defence was poor but it still lasted for that first wave. which means that the machines could never staright up enter zion and destroy all the main systems and effectivly shut down the humans' power. they had to bore through their defence and straight down to the bottom. which was not easy btw.
Bump......... :)
:huh: Just to make things a bit simple i m posting the Matrix revolutions and Matrix Reloaded transcript for all u fans !!
Read on then .........
Matrix Revolutions
Matrix Reloaded
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And here is Neo's little chat with the Architect in M2. This was a bit difficult 2 digest at first .......
So here goes !!
:: Transcript ::
The Architect: Hello, Neo.
Neo: Who are you?
The Architect: I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.
Neo: Why am I here?
The Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.
Neo: You haven't answered my question.
The Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.
The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"
The Architect: The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.
Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullshit."
Neo: here are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.
The Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!"
Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.
The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room
The Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo: The Oracle.
The Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
Neo: This is about Zion.
The Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.
Neo: Bullshit.
The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullshit!"
The Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.
The Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo: You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.
The Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.
The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors
The Architect: It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.
Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors
Neo: Trinity.
The Architect: Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.
Neo: No!
The Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.
Neo walks to the door on his left
The Architect: Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.
Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.
The Architect: We won't
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The END
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