There are advantages and disadvantages in every system. I have paid these high taxes all my life. I am now reaping the benefits health care wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikibonbon
Not bloody pension wise though.:lol:
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There are advantages and disadvantages in every system. I have paid these high taxes all my life. I am now reaping the benefits health care wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikibonbon
Not bloody pension wise though.:lol:
I am a big fan of the welfare state, I think I may have said this before. I believe in the concept of "from each according to his means, to each according to his needs"
If that means that some people pay more in taxes than others, so be it. That's Socialism for you and it's more caring than "tough shit, you can't afford the insurance premiums".
But that's just me.
re the advances due to war thing. It is true it happens.
Our knowledge of anatomy was vastly improved by the Nazi surgeons performing vivisections and needless experiments on the prisoners in concentration camps. The data they obtained was used to update the medical books. In a very real sense they are the fathers of modern surgery.
Oh and yes, we got rockets too, which was nice.
The UK government pays less %GDP on Healthcare than the US Government does, and provides a universal healthcare system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikibonbon
The USA pays more %GDP and most people have to take out private health insurance...
Your argument re: Taxes is therefore a non-starter, you pay more that way than we do towards health... for what exactly?
In addition.. dependant upon which State you live in, you may pay more Taxes than we do anyway.
Federal Taxes, State Taxes, City Taxes.. they all add up.
I like welfare to a degree. However, it needs a tweaking for those who are irresponsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
For example, in this country, a mother already on welfare with kids, should not be having more children. Yet they abuse the system and gain more money by having more kids.
They should be on birth control or receive no money.
An able bodied person that doesn't want to work should rot. (however, I would still buy a bum a sandwich....weird)
Welfare should be there to get a person on their feet but not be their sole mean of income.
I side with Republicans (for the most part) on this issue.
I get a federal tax refund every year, I don't have to pay state tax, city tax is at a rate of 8.25%. In the end, I pay very little really on tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
I pay nothing for my private insurance. I pay a $15 dollar co-pay on visits to the doctor. I pay $10 for medication (name brand, not generic). I visit the doctor maybe twice a year, usually to the dentist, so no medication. So basically I pay $30-$50 a year on medical needs, so at most around 25 pounds.
And please read the last paragraph of that quote. I believe it said I wasn't comparing the two. I know you like to pretend to be some kind of alpha male and all, but not really interested in your ability to toss %gdp around. Doesn't make me horny for you.
@ Tikibonbon.
Both systems have pros and cons. The US system is better if you can afford it...and even people on reasonable wages can find themselves dug into debt because of a serious illness. By better I mean you get a private room with MTV. and depending on your location you may get treated slightly faster for "non life threatening" illnesses. The treatment itself differs not one jot.
The UK system is better because EVERYONE is covered. I believe they have a small fixed co pay for things like dental and eye tests and there is a fixed prescription price...but this is only for people who are actually working and earning over a certain amount. Only people who are working and earn over a certain amount pay the National Insurance and there is an upper limit for what they pay... This is done for less than we pay in the US to just cover about 60 million on Medicaid/care and without paying private insurance, and they can choose whichever doctor they wish...in the US we pay twice...... in the UK nobody has to choose between healthcare or food
The high tax of which you speak for things like gas doesn't just cover healthcare. And the tax take in the UK is comparable to the UK. The idea that we pay less tax is something of a myth depending on personal circumstances..
but this is way off topic.
My apologise J2
@ vidcc,
As I stated, if you are in a position where you have to choose between seeing a doctor or food, you have noone to blame but yourself. You put yourself there, deal with it. Don't say, well the government should take care of it for me. No, you are an adult. The government is not your mother, and should not hold your hand through life.
There is a moral to the story of the grasshopper and the ant.
If it were up to me, I would do away with all federal medical plans except for the disabled and institutions that deal with them (something no country has perfected or come close). The money could be better spent elsewhere.
Hmmm by that you would think no one gets dicked in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikibonbon
Some folk work their asses off, get laid off, get hurt and can't support their family and pay for medical insurance.
There is plenty of work out there. However, with our country letting new folks in by the ton and spending money for the welfare of other countries, we shit on our own.
I hear this same talk from folk that "are doing fine now" and most of them don't have a clue. There are even some that were fortunate enough to come from very little and still make it that talk down on others without knowing individual circumstances.
A person that just doesn't want to work can't say shit but they ain't the only ones that can't make ends meet.
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Originally Posted by Tikibonbon
So let's say that one of those workers that will be made redundant from GM falls ill... did he put himself in that situation? what of those that have their jobs outsourced and our market doesn't have replacement jobs with comparable pay..they take a job on minimum wage with no health coverage...are those people at fault.
What of those that worked hard all their lives to find their pensions have been lost? are they at fault?
What of the people who fall ill and lose their job and with it their health insurance?
what of those with families who have the main bread winner die?
I could go on and on.
I often disagree with people but seldom do I see an opinion so based on ignorance as yours. May hard times never fall on you.
BTW. just how do you get "free" private health insurance.?
Busy, I am one of those who came from nothing. Granted I am still only middle class, but I am more than comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Do you really want me say what I think of the illegal immigration issue?
I am sorry that there are several who are getting "dicked" around, but it ties back to my feelings, if you are an adult who lets yourself get "dicked" around, I have no sympathy whatsoever. Go work the street corner, pay is probably better anyway.
BTW J2 I apologize for being so off topic, I will start a new thread.
As much as I hate to say it, The Nazi scientists were the first to link lung cancer and smoking due to "war" time studies.