It's not uncommon in our news to hear of people being attacked and sometimes murdered because their lifestyles are "unchristian"Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
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It's not uncommon in our news to hear of people being attacked and sometimes murdered because their lifestyles are "unchristian"Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Hmmm I address that before. Our nation has division amongst it which is visible. It is visible by just turning on the news. It visible on this very forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
Where is their visible division?
If one were to compare beehives, fundamentalist Islam has killer bees.
Yes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
This was an article written by Bill Laye in the Calgary Sun the other day, on a different sort of protest:
Edit: There a few points through this thread I'd respond to, but again, my wacky timing would disrupt the flow of the thread. ;) Ah well, maybe next time.Quote:
Calling recent violent protests over derogatory cartoons self-destructive, a local Islamic leader is calling on Calgary Muslims to use the pen, not the sword.
And, Imam Syed Soharwardy, president of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, says he's thankful the kinds of cruel caricatures of his faith's Prophet Muhammad -- which have now run in several European papers -- would likely never be printed in this country.
"I am really thankful the laws in Canada are so clear about these anti-racism and anti-violence issues ... this is why Canada is the model for other countries," Soharwardy said yesterday.
The cartoons, which were first printed in Denmark last September, include an image of Muhammad wearing a turban shaped like a bomb with a lit fuse.
These pictures are not only offensive to Muslims, they violate an Islamic anti-idolatry law banning images of any prophet, Soharwardy said.
In his sermon during regular prayers yesterday in Calgary, the cleric urged local believers to flood Danish authorities with calls and e-mails demanding a retraction and an apology.
"We will be peaceful, but we will be noticed," Soharwardy said, adding the violent protests seen elsewhere will only serve to reinforce negative images of Islam.
"We are asking all Muslims to slow down ... this sort of thing will only hurt Muslims."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4684652.stm
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Originally Posted by BBC
This actually made me :glag: irl
Draw your own conclusions... ;)
I have no problem with calls and e-mails but this guy STILL doesn't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicNakor
I sounds like Denmark has free press.....however....
The cleric could press on and possibly push for change in Denmark's laws that would bar this from happening again. In that case, he does get it.
I wonder what would have happened if the drawing with the bomb turban was NOT Muhammed and was captioned as such.
Because the only thing you see on the news is the demonstrations and bad stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by vidcc
So you think it's rare to see reports of abortion clinic attacks or attacks on people that work there, attacks on gay bars etc. etc. ? You haven't heard of the resistance to having a specific "hate crime" catergory that includes attacks on homosexuals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
:lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
You think gay bashing has to do with religion?:lol: :lol: :lol:
So now hate crimes are religiously motivated?
If I beat up the white fella 'cause he's white, it was actually 'cause he's unChristian... :ermm:
So you don't think gays get bashed because they have been persecuted by christians/(insert various religions here) for a quite a while and people still think of it as the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
seems this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion people are dying and building are burning over a cartoon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4684652.stm
I purposely left out the words always or most of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4play
So you don't think gays get bashed because they are simply different?
I don't often hear of clergymen calling for gay bashing.
WTF are you talking about? do you honestly believe that there is just one catergory for "hate crimes".Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
gays get bashed because they are different, but religion is defiently a factor in some cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
I have not heard of any clergymen calling for bashing gays but i have heard plenty of them saying its a sin, gay marriages should not be allowed and so forth. its not really a freedom loving attitude.
vid and 4play, I direct you to post 171. It's like on this very page and stuff.
Sooo?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4play
So is stealing, fornication, drunkeness, lying, and so forth.
Where are they getting all these Danish flags from to burn? It's not the sort of thing that you'd think alot of middle-easterners would have lying around.
Is there a warehouse in Mecca or somewhere that stocks all the flags of the world, just in case some emergency flag-burning needs to take place? :unsure:
true but there are laws against some of those which are generally accepted by the population to be needed. stealing for example.
the problem here is that if the church is telling people gays are evil in some way its alot harder to convince law makers that its generally accepted that gay marriage is fine.
I think people look at it differently. The church is not as powerful at 'causing violence as it is in the ME.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4play
If I was of a more suspicious persuasion, I'd wonder about that, and I'd wonder about why it took so long for all of these protests to start. I mean, the timespan between the cartoons getting published, and the people to react, might be significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbarossa
I might wonder why this started now, and what organisations have something to gain by drawing everyone's attention to this, and by actively condemning it and thus showing initiative. Is there an election coming up? Or has someone, or some organisation, fallen out of favour, prompting some posturing against the western world?
I might say that things like the flags turning up, for instance, might point to someone having planned it out for maximum effect.
I think behaving like a xenophobiac fascist fucktard fundamentalist doesn't come natural for most of the people down there, or anywhere, and it seems odd to me that the quotient of people behaving as such suddenly has gone up.
Yeah, Muslims (particularly fundamentalists) are know for their tolerance, especially towards gay people.
Therefore violent attacks on gays are made by middle class, middle aged regular Church go-ers. Not by mindless thugs who are described as Christians and who never actually have a Christian thought in their head or visit a Church.
Off the top of your head...Eric Rudolph?Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
You can't name many more and that's my point.
Ignoring the gay bashing, what about the example of offences by pro-lifers? They're generally hardcore bible bashers...
well it's good for the flag making business...as it's not only Danish flags that are getting burnt...I think I will invest in some flag shares...
Bible bashers?:huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ilw
Sometimes they go through libraries, beating on every book they can find, for practice, like :unsure:
Even if that were true, are you suggesting that the violence against abortion clinics is remotely on the same scale as what is happening here. Or that during Church services Priests and Ministers are telling people to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilw
I could point to pat robertson or jerry falwell as examples of "ministers" who do support the "justice" of blowing up abortion clinics. It may not come as direct words ( although robertson does like to make direct calls for the assasination of foriegn leaders) but the implication isn't hard to see. All it takes is an Eric Rudolf to take up the challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
The point being that such calls come from extremists. The fact is that there tends to be more openly extremist muslim clerics than Christian clergy.
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbarossa
Also:
Who would be the beneficiary of the sales of such flags?
They'd have to come from somewhere...
Denmark?
Self-defeating, I'd say.
If they are counterfeit (made in the M.E., for example) a really neat lawsuit should be in the offing; perhaps the I.C.C. could get involved...:D
There may be a nugget of truth in your statements...I take note that, while Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are here and there disavowed by some blacks, you'd never be able to tell from the major media they (along with a handful of idiots like Julian Bond) aren't the be-all end-all leaders and spokesmen for blacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
Absolutely, as is the case with the followers of the respective faiths. As is the case with how widespread the extremism is. As is the case with just how extreme they are willing (nay eager) to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
I do think we could solve the problem by just making western flags out of the same material as fire blankets
That's actually a quite cool idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
It would also act as a safety device when the fecktards set fire to themselves.
'Twould also qualify as foreign aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Well done. :)
No shit but you also left out "more openly extremist Muslim civilians." :ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
:lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
I heard that one before. Funny but true.
I remember someone saying to imagine a fella trying to light it on fire for the news camera and the look of embarassment.:lookaroun
No matter, we're all going to die, some will not settle till only islam is left. "We Say to This West... By Allah, You Will Be defeated" (Hamas leader Khaled Mash'al)
full quote :
"We say to this West, which does not act reasonably, and does not learn its lessons: By Allah, you will be defeated. You will be defeated in Palestine, and your defeat there has already begun. True, it is Israel that is being defeated there, but when Israel is defeated, its path is defeated, those who call to support it are defeated, and the cowards who hide behind it and support it are defeated. Israel will be defeated, and so will whoever supported or supports it."
got it from here:
http://jihadwatch.org/
It might be a bad, one-sided, rasict, unfair-headed site, but it was one of the first sites on google when I searched
'riots muslim denmark prophet'
All I want to know is what do they (ME) want from us? I'm not joking either, I'm serious, it might sound stupid but I dont understand why they do this.
It's simple-Quote:
Originally Posted by maebach
They believe their ways to be superior, and any who do not hew to their beliefs are unworthy and deserve nothing so much as elimination.
They are Hitler to our Jew.
They want us gone.
The fundamentalists want this sooner than soon, and your average Muslim is not moved by any of it to the extent they'll "rise up righteous" against their own, regardless of their personal preference.
To balance things out and try to please the offended
http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/5672/bushbomb8el.jpg
Trouble is the satirical line would have to be------
If brains were dynamite..................:pinch:
Bizarrely I think you understate the case. It's not just that their way is superior, it's that any other way is evil and that they praise their God by destroying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
However please bear in mind that not all Muslims are fundamentalists. That there are many who can accept that others have different beliefs. They still think that we are wrong, but they can get past that and live in relative harmony.
That's a process which Christianity has been thro'. From everyone else is evil to everyone else is wrong.
how long do you think it'll take muslims to change like christians?Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul