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You are the epitome of armchair punditry. How can you possibly agree/disagree on the matter of the English indirectly forcing out the Welsh language? You don't even speak the language so how can you assess the evidence for/against the claim? You have no way of seeing the knocks that our language is taking from the Goverment's unwillingess to take it seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
And why do you assume that I'm a "chap"? Isn't that a bit sexist?
Welsh just sounds like someone with a bad cough anyway:dabs:
and if the welsh welsh can't agree on the language, why should teh english make the effort? :dabs:
What percentage of the Welsh population really care about their native language. How many learn it, or lobby the Government / Assembly to preserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
about 3 people...so that's roughly 10%Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
The entire population of Bargoed, so that's the three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proper Bo
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Originally Posted by JPaul
To be fair, both Welsh and Gaelic really suffered in the late 19th/early 20th century. Kids caught speaking either at school really did get a knot of rope put around their neck or, if the teacher could not be arsed with all that, a beating.. However, from the 60s onwards this has been reversed. The difficulty is reversing the decline of previous decades and the fact that the world as a global village is moving ever towards a homogeneous culture. I don't think the Welsh Assembly or the Scottish Parliment are anti their native languages and one cannot expect the English to be interested. Many of them cannot even be bothered to speak their own language properly never mind somebody else's :whistling The languages will be kept alive but they are extremely unlikely to be the main vehicle for any form of political independence.
dittoQuote:
Originally Posted by Proper Bo
Excellent...... glad you remembered that Tyne & Wear would include Mackums, which brings down the tone of the place.
Wearside = aidsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
fact.
:O You mean you admit that Makums are even from the same planet? Puts us and the Galacians into the shade :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Can i point out that any forms you get from the Government can come printed out in the Welsh Language?Quote:
Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
Petty i know, but the Scottish, Manx, Irish, Cornish and French speakers in the British Isles don't get the choice... its English or nothing for them.
You appear to be under the impression that your an opressed minority... join the club. Just about every part of the UK has been oppressed by just about every other part at some point in History.
You also generalise rather a lot about "The English". Could you point out this culture? Other than on a map i mean.. Dont take this as an insult because its not. YOU still have your language and culture, YOU still have a chance of independance... many of the varied cultures that have existed within these Isles dont.. you should be rightly proud of that.
While your doing so, please remember that many of the cultures and languages that existed here have gone for good and the remnants are classed as "English" because thats where they are on a Map.
Read about the "North/South Divide" sometime before generalizing about the "English"... then ponder as to why there is one. Maybe look into "English" History a little... see the larks and fun that was to be had in the North of England in 1069 and the following centuries.
BTW: The Celts werent the 1st people in Wales, The Beaker Folk beat you to it for starters and theres evidence of people 1000's of years before them. :P
:ermm: I thought I had covered that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Slipshod work, Les.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
So unlike you.
You think because I don't speak Welsh fluently that I can't comment on an issue concerning the Welsh language.Quote:
Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
What rubbish. I can't play rugby very well but I can still say that Wales were shite yesterday and that Shane Williams played like a big girl.
Btw, I said 'chap' because the first part of your username is 'meirion' - which is a boy's name. I made the mental leap that you're probably a bloke with a persecution complex, rather than a girl with a persecution complex.
So not sexist at all.
That's not a boy's name, you silly goose:no2:Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Right, I think we are going round in circles here. We are all different people with different backgrounds/experiences/priorites, and when we can't agree on whether there is there is blame on the Goverment for my language's oppression in my country, then carrying on is pointless. So with immediate effect I am leaving this thread.
And don't think even for a minute that I'm giving in to you guys, because I'm not. I've said what I came here to say, and although I could carry on with my side of the debate forever and ever, it won't make any difference to anything - your minds are made up and so is mine. Besides, I feel that I've wasted anough time on this thread.
It's been quite a fiery debate, but a good one I think. We are not the first, and defnintely not the last, to be arguing over this topic. Wales will be free one day, probably not in my lifetime, but it's something for my future children/grandchildren to enjoy.
Boneddigion a Boneddigesau, heddwch i chwi oll.
(Ladies and Gentlemen, peace to you all.)
I'll make a deal with you, vote me in as prime minister and I'll make Wales totally independant.:smilie4:
I really wish you hadn't posted that part :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
It's a wee bit undignified.
I mean, starting a sentence with a conjunction. Don't you have an even rudimentary understanding of English.
Warning - If you can't work out that the last part of that was a joke then you are in serious need of help. And a :nob:
:huh:
Did I miss something?
I thought the debate was reasonably sedate for one tacked on as a side issue to a "Best County" thread in the Lounge.
I was not aware that there had been a big disagreement regarding the poor treatment of the non-English languages in the UK in the past. I am not aware that it is still a current problem under the devolved Parliaments but I happy to hear of instances where this might be the case in Wales.
FFS Les.
Gaelic is under-represented in Wales. Fact.
Well paint me confused! :stars:Quote:
Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
You're about as free as anyone. In fact, along the M4, it's free to leave Wales, but you have to pay to get in. :frusty:
Pay to get in :O , is Wales some sort of amusement park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbarossa
Yes, it's sort of like Disneyworld, but all the characters are Goofy. :dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrajag