there are not many more stupid movies I saw before. It's not even a good fantasy movie. It just reminds me at those stupid KungFu's in the 70ies.
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there are not many more stupid movies I saw before. It's not even a good fantasy movie. It just reminds me at those stupid KungFu's in the 70ies.
Lol. You're the first one who says that didn't liked the movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by cougar
I disagree, it makes for a decent reference for an interweb argument (as proven in this very thread) but I wouldn't use it for a university assignment, if you get what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucktoof
On topic: the movie was good but not great, Sin City is the far better of the recent Frank Miller adaptations. I think some of the things the Spartans were spouting about freedom et al detracted from the film for me, I'd have preferred if they'd dispensed with that nonsense (historically incorrect nonsense to boot) and just had a film about two sets of guys kicking the shit out of each other.
I disagree too, and I hope that Wikipedia is still free for a very long time. That a project like that cannot cover everything in detail, is to understand. But for a quick information (and even more) it is VERY GOOD.
Any movie that gets you to want to read or research it ,is pretty good in my book . Probably a director or actor's best complement ?
Movie is good but not so great. I would also rate it 8 out of 10 and I agree with a comment above that Sin City was better.. But keeping in mind that it’s based on a comic and is not a based on the historical facts, some of them are:
- 300? No way. 300 were only the native Spartans, i.e. the men born and raised/trained in Sparta. About 300 more were warriors from other Greek villages, kidnapped as teenagers or kids from their villages (or more rarely went to Spartan to become fighters on their own will) and raised and trained in Sparta. These warriors although not typically called Spartans, they were trained under the same pressure with the original Spartans and some of them became as tough and skilled as the Spartans (although never had the same rights)
- Well do you believe that they were sharing only a couple of apples after so many weeks of war and walking though mountains? They were accompanied by tens of servants, mules, cooks, chief-cooks, providing them the necessities to fight the huge Persian army. These servants actually fight next to the native Spartans the last couple of days, as the loss of Spartans was huge. I read that only a couple of servant personnel survived as well as one non-native fighter all of them extremely injured. All of them were carrying fresh provisions, stores, spares etc all the way from Sparta.
- Do you believe that the Spartans were fighting continuously 20-24 hours per day? Of course not, who can do that? They were supported by fighters from nearby villages with an estimate number of 400-700 some of them untrained (as per movie) but some of them great warriors and brave men, who fought until the last day.
- Spartans fighters with beards? No way. The movie just showed the world’s idea of ancient Greeks. However Spartans didn’t have beards.
- Efialtis, the traitor (English translation: nightmare). This has never been proved on the contrary most historians don’t believe at him (although some do). At least he couldn’t be Spartan in any way, as Spartans not accepted new borne babies with any kind of genetic anomaly, believe it or not they were killing them instantly (by throwing them of the highest mountain "keadas"). It may sounds cruel and unacceptable by today’s societies but that’s the way the best army created some thousand years back.
The question that every Spartan was asked to answer from kid, was: what is the opposite of fear?
its a good movie
its a great movie
yes it is a great movie, if it would be the only one.
edit: don't understand me wrong
clearer: it would be the best movie if it would be the only one
great movie
Dhinekis said the answer was love. He was the spartan that answered to the man from Trahina we will fight in shade when the man told him that the arrows from the Persians would cover the sun. (well in the movie that was said from a Persian).Quote:
Originally Posted by sert
Anw I agree with your answer 100% sert.
As a movie it was really good, but in terms of history it was nothing!
However, I bet that if they could put down the facts like they were done in reality the movie would be 3-4 hours but a lot better.
A movie based on this battle can outmatch The lord of the ring's battles. The given movie didn't!
It is very good movie
Great film - above all entertaining. And genuine craft from the movie makers as well. Hats off to these guys coz the industry would be dull without them. They are pushing the barriers - whats next after cgi ?
wow
thx so mush for this
Nice Movie i like it
That they didn't fight all day long and that is pretty obvious, as is them not carrying all the supplies they needed all the way and that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sert
That's simple logistics, and seems pretty silly to point out.
However, what's cited above seems a bit off. From what I've read they might well have had beards. That sort of thing, along with long hair probably made for some needed padding for those helmets they wore.
I don't think it's provable either way, tho'. There won't be any spartan corpses from that period preserved well enough to check that they never wore beards.
And as for the cripple, as the story goes spartans did toss deformed children off a cliff, but the father or family of that particular one went into exile taking the child with him/them, so as to save the child's life. (Which might be something that may have happened at some point for real. People were probably just the same in some respects then as they are now.)
As for history, I ran a search on t'internets just now (just looking at mentions of him in texts), and he might well have been a (not crippled) peasant, rather than a warrior, or he might not have existed at all. That specific crippled traitor in Miller's version is just Miller's interpretation of the myth, obviously, but you know that.
TBH, people pointing out how any details in the movie were historically incorrect are a bit silly, especially since there are so many on the internet by now.
The movie was very good. The music, the fights and the rest was very good performanced.
Cyberhyper
fantastic
This was byfar the most awesome and totally mindblowin movie i have ever seen......
good movie
This looks so good I can't wait
I find you silly tooQuote:
Originally Posted by SneeThat they didn't fight all day long and that is pretty obvious, as is them not carrying all the supplies they needed all the way and that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sert
That's simple logistics, and seems pretty silly to point out.
However, what's cited above seems a bit off. From what I've read they might well have had beards. That sort of thing, along with long hair probably made for some needed padding for those helmets they wore.
I don't think it's provable either way, tho'. There won't be any spartan corpses from that period preserved well enough to check that they never wore beards.
And as for the cripple, as the story goes spartans did toss deformed children off a cliff, but the father or family of that particular one went into exile taking the child with him/them, so as to save the child's life. (Which might be something that may have happened at some point for real. People were probably just the same in some respects then as they are now.)
As for history, I ran a search on t'internets just now (just looking at mentions of him in texts), and he might well have been a (not crippled) peasant, rather than a warrior, or he might not have existed at all. That specific crippled traitor in Miller's version is just Miller's interpretation of the myth, obviously, but you know that.
TBH, people pointing out how any details in the movie were historically incorrect are a bit silly, especially since there are so many on the internet by now.
I'm devastated :dabs:
I see u are online 24/7
If you have read the thread, u would have seen that I posted the details to show that the movie is historically incorrect, after a teenager from Finland tried to convince me that the Greeks were defeated by Persians at the fight that took place right after Thermopylae, outside of Sparta.
His arguments were based on 5 minutes internet research (like yours) and he also linked me to Wikipedia to prove himself (like u didn’t strangely)
I got nothing from wikipedia, that may be why. Nor was it a matter of five minutes
I've got access to university databases, a university library, and so forth, I don't need to use the sources the ones you assume the kid you replied to did.
Not to mention that I actually paid attention in school. Even going to such lengths that I learned to spell the word "you".
I tried to find something conclusive on whether they had beards, anywhere, books, internet etc.
However, I think you dreamt that (that they didn't). I've been able to conclude that they didn't have moustaches, according to many sources, however.
As for the other matter, different sources say different things, and at the end that doesn't really matter, seeing as how it's Miller's take on it, so.
The person you initially replied to might have been wrong, however, that doesn't make you more right.
Gay attack on grammar
From your posts and the speed of your replies u seem to spend all your day in forums, the typical forum troll, attacking me koz I made abbreviations and shortcuts.
It is good movie
Nah, I just think you are a tard.Quote:
Originally Posted by sert
You said:
Then you went on to post your "facts" :glag:Quote:
You are completely dumb, I am Greek and have studied all this in detail for more than 3 years. It is like a teenager from Finland trying to teach me my history.
I told you before leave for a while the forums/wikipedia and read a real book.
you are the definition of forum troll
a child who has 14000 posts and is registered 4 years ago and therefore thinks he is the forum god
You're the troll. Posts like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by sert
Are the workings of a troll. The guy in question had admitted his mistake and yet you still decided to insult him. People make mistakes, even I have argued a point I thought was true only to be proven wrong. However, all your post there does is cause trouble.Quote:
You are completely dumb, I am Greek and have studied all this in detail for more than 3 years. It is like a teenager from Finland trying to teach me my history.
I told you before leave for a while the forums/wikipedia and read a real book.
Now, you should leave this thread alone because you are not coming off very well at all. In fact, you're coming across as a bit silly.
silly spartan boys.
the trailer was ok
In sense of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%
@Sert. Such insult wasn't really necessary. He made some point from where you could just explain his mistake. That wouldn't even been trouble for someone who studied this for 3 years. I haven't studied this things for 3 years (close to that though) but I could easily counter the statements better. As for the beards. I never saw anywhere saying that spartans never had beard. Yes they wanted to look nice thats why they always had long hair well formed. So that may imply that they didn't had beards. Its a bit too much to assume it though.
I'm a Cypriot myself but I would never say to someone "don't try to teach me my history especially if he just tries to make a point.
Perhaps it was just a joke, then. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeloreanIn sense of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%
@Sert. Such insult wasn't really necessary. He made some point from where you could just explain his mistake. That wouldn't even been trouble for someone who studied this for 3 years. I haven't studied this things for 3 years (close to that though) but I could easily counter the statements better. As for the beards. I never saw anywhere saying that spartans never had beard. Yes they wanted to look nice thats why they always had long hair well formed. So that may imply that they didn't had beards. Its a bit too much to assume it though.
I'm a Cypriot myself but I would never say to someone "don't try to teach me my history especially if he just tries to make a point.
great movie
yet to see the movie :(
I think that too... It's great movie (I love movie like this)
hell of a movie ! i like it
guess I will try the 1080i trailer later
thnx
this is the best movie i have seen in the last 3 years. so awesome.