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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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Originally Posted by
Barbarossa
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Originally Posted by
moslem01
why returned into one piece or why it was split ?
Well, both really :dabs:
i will tell u the real story :
first some unbelievers ( some ppl say that they included jewish ) came to our prophet to ask him for a miracle to prove that he is a prophet of god -as every messenger came with miracle - they asked him to split the moon .
so our prophet asked allah ( our , ur god ) to split moon into halves so infront of their eyes it was split into halves and in front of them it was returned again ofcourse every one said it is magic and there is no such thing but lately some astraunats discovered some rocks with some shape on moon surface with researches they addmited that these rocks ruselted from splitting moon into halves and returning back again and there r many other things i may tell u about
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
I may be wrong here but I thought, due to some ancient injury billions of years ago, the moon was formed as a split off following a collosion with two bodies that formed Earth.
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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moslem01
lately some astraunats discovered some rocks with some shape on moon surface
Well.... I'm not convinced. Some rocks with some shape you say? Sounds a bit suspect. :mellow:
If I were asked to perform a miracle, I'd probably opt for something of practical value. Turning water into wine is pretty good for livening things up at a dull party, also the loaves and the fishes one is really useful for when people forget their packed lunches, but I can't see what use splitting the moon and putting it back together is.
Maybe it delayed high tide, or something else, I dunno. Either way I doubt whether anyone noticed.
Terraforming the moon, now that would have been a good one.
Anyway, I've been digging around with regards to that picture of that 250km "scratch" you pointed out, and as far as I can tell, although it is a "relatively young" feature on the moon, one website has pointed out that there is cratering within the walls of the rille, so that probably dates it at a few million years, not like, 600 or whatever.
I can't find anything on the NASA site, perhaps I should take it on faith? :blink:
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
these researches refer that the old of the splitting goes back to 1300-1500 year
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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moslem01
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Originally Posted by
Barbarossa
Well, both really :dabs:
i will tell u the real story :
first some unbelievers ( some ppl say that they included jewish ) came to our prophet to ask him for a miracle to prove that he is a prophet of god -as every messenger came with miracle - they asked him to split the moon .
so our prophet asked allah ( our , ur god ) to split moon into halves so infront of their eyes it was split into halves and in front of them it was returned again ofcourse every one said it is magic and there is no such thing but lately some astraunats discovered some rocks with some shape on moon surface with researches they addmited that these rocks ruselted from splitting moon into halves and returning back again and there r many other things i may tell u about
OK let me get this straight, you believe the moon split in half 1400 years ago and nobody noticed it other than the people who asked to see this be performed? The Chinese kept meticulous astronomical records do they record this event? Is it in the Mayan records? Is it in the Babylonian or Byzantian records?
I didn't realise that Islam had mad stuff like Joseph Smith's spectacles but I guess all religions like a bit of the supernatural.
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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Originally Posted by
Biggles
I may be wrong here but I thought, due to some ancient injury billions of years ago, the moon was formed as a split off following a collosion with two bodies that formed Earth.
There is that, but then there are also people saying that it was passing and got caught up by the young earth's gravity.
There were other theories too in the thing I was watching, including the moon being a bit of the earth that fell off due to earth's rotation.
You know what - I don't think anyone really knows. The whole documentary was conjecture.
I want answers, dammit.
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moses had stick that transforms into a giant snack as soon as it is thrown on ground and this happened when moses went to ramses II .
juses could return life to ppl who died and could heal and cure ppl
mohammed Peace be upon him his main miracle is koran if u have read the real koran and really understand it u will really know what i am talking about
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moon`s splitting for me is a true fact if my god which i believe in told me that i won`t have a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 doubt in what god says
(gr8 no of zeros right ? )
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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Originally Posted by moslem01
moses had stick that transforms into a giant snack as soon as it is thrown
I'm starving.
No, I take your point. Both the koran and the bible are filled with witchery that's almost certainly a result of deliberate factual embroidery. Which was a common trait of writers at the time, it seems.
As works of historical value, they're the docudrama of the library.
Which is fine, so long as you follow the values they teach rather than start arguments with people about how the moon was definitely split into two or how Jesus definitely fed a brazillion people using only his lunch-box.
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
Fair enough
I don't believe it happened because all the people who kept astronomical records would have recorded such a remarkable event. However, I have no issue with other people believing it if they want to. I don't think I will ever be joining in unless I see something more substantial in the historical records though.
Did you look up the Book of Mormon btw - it is even madder but they have millions of members and one came close to being selected as the next Republican candidate for President this time round.
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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manker
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moses had stick that transforms into a giant snack as soon as it is thrown
I'm starving.
No, I take your point. Both the koran and the bible are filled with witchery that's almost certainly a result of deliberate factual embroidery.
As works of historical value, they're the docudrama of the library.
Which is fine, so long follow the values they teach rather than start arguments with people about how the moon was definitely split into two or how Jesus definitely fed a brazillion people using only his lunch-box.
To be fair he borrowed Mulder's manwich box.
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u still dont understand .
u think that the koran is as the bible , written by normal ppl ?
no u r wrong koran comes from our and ur god no human or any creature on earth ( or on space even ) changed a word or even a letter in it since our prophet , thats all about the koran i have and most moslims have , i dont know about strange books u have about islam , me myself i saw a full koran with false things , some ppl changed the koran by this false one to give to u sayin : look , this is the book of moslims it is false with bad manners and all this stuff
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i want to ask u something do any one believe in god ot there is a god ?
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moslem01
u still dont understand .
u think that the koran is as the bible , written by normal ppl ?
no u r wrong koran comes from our and ur god no human or any creature on earth ( or on space even ) changed a word or even a letter in it since our prophet , thats all about the koran i have and most moslims have , i dont know about strange books u have about islam , me myself i saw a full koran with false things , some ppl changed the koran by this false one to give to u sayin : look , this is the book of moslims it is false with bad manners and all this stuff
Well, I don't believe I am wrong. I believe the koran was written by a human or a collection of humans - just like every other book.
I understand that you don't believe that it was, and I won't try to change your mind.
Differences of opinion are fine by me and since I have no proof to show you that I'm definitely right, it appears that we're at an impass.
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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moslem01
i want to ask u something do any one believe in god ot there is a god ?
Loads of people do. Some of whom post on this forum.
I, however, don't believe in god.
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
i wont argue with any of u it seems that no one want to understand , the problem that most of u dont believe that islam is the only religion which no one changed a word in , u have the right to say what u want but in my faith which my god says in soraa el tawba : to kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god . some day u will know that the islam is the right religion . and when u die u will say : i wish i would be alive again and be a moslem . thats the end i am out
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did the moon split ? yea i think so !
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap021029.html
how the hell Mohamed knew that 1400 years ago , and Nasa discovered that now !
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Long rilles such as
Ariadaeus Rille extend for hundreds of kilometers.
Sinuous rilles are now thought to be remnants of ancient lava flows, but the origins of arcuate and linear rilles are still a
topic of research.
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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moslem01
i wont argue with any of u it seems that no one want to understand , the problem that most of u dont believe that islam is the only religion which no one changed a word in , u have the right to say what u want but in my faith which my god says in soraa el tawba : to kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god . some day u will know that the islam is the right religion . and when u die u will say : i wish i would be alive again and be a moslem . thats the end i am out
Oh shi ... are you threatening to pop a cap in my black arse http://www.msgweb.nl/emoticons/50_50.gif
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Re: Hello, Noobs...
I don't believe in a god, and when I'm dead I won't say anything, because I'll be dead.
You are free to believe what you want to believe in, I'm glad you're happy in your faith.
Please accept the fact that I am also happy :happy:
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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S3v3N
Don't be a prick s3v3n, we've already covered this.
There are craters within that rille, which places it older than 600 years, probably millions of years or so.
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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moslem01
i wont argue with any of u it seems that no one want to understand , the problem that most of u dont believe that islam is the only religion which no one changed a word in , u have the right to say what u want but in my faith which my god says in soraa el tawba : to kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god . some day u will know that the islam is the right religion . and when u die u will say : i wish i would be alive again and be a moslem . thats the end i am out
Exactly the same message as Frodo "believe God loves you or else he will torture you". Complete medieval gibberish and nonsense! It is probably best that the subject is dropped as I can't see it ending well otherwise.
As to the bit highlighted - it confirms all the worst prejudices people have in the West about Islam
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chalice
:lol: Quality
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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Originally Posted by
moslem01
i wont argue with any of u it seems that no one want to understand , the problem that most of u dont believe that islam is the only religion which no one changed a word in , u have the right to say what u want but in my faith which my god says in soraa el tawba : to kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god . some day u will know that the islam is the right religion . and when u die u will say : i wish i would be alive again and be a moslem . thats the end i am out
Why do you people always have to try to change our minds about the stuff you believe in. Be happy you're on the right side and let other people in their beliefs.
It's that attitude that has been causing a lot of the adverse reactions when talking about the 'Islam'. When you people say that there is only one God and that's Allah you offend a lot of people here because they believe God (the father of Jesus) is the only God.
Maybe it's about time some members started to get signatures advertising for God and Jesus to be the true saviors. :whistling
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Why do you people always have to try to change our minds about the stuff you believe in. Be happy you're on the right side and let other people in their beliefs.
It's that attitude that has been causing a lot of the adverse reactions when talking about the 'Islam'. When you people say that there is only one God and that's Allah you offend a lot of people here because they believe God (the father of Jesus) is the only God.
Maybe it's about time some members started to get signatures advertising for God and Jesus to be the true saviors.
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../...../whistling.gif
mate .. we believe that God is one . and Jesus is the savior .
the only difference is that you think Jesus was crucified .. we don't think so .. God says in Koran that Jews though that they crucified Jesus but the didn't they crucified someone else that look like Jesus .
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Don't be a prick s3v3n, we've already covered this.
There are craters within that rille, which places it older than 600 years, probably millions of years or so.
yea there are craters within the rille but who told you it's millions of years old !
and nasa still don't know the origin of those rilles.
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i know finding God logically is annoying and frustrating since there is many questions that can't be answered b'cuz our minds and senses are limited !
and we are just less than tiny micro species living in a tiny land compared to the vast universe .
i prefer if you guys say instead of we don't believe in god that we simply don't know.
that's why god sends his messengers with miracles ,
whenever i have doubts in god i just read in the Koran " Mohamed's miracle " and i soon realize that these words in Koran are not from humans .
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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S3v3N
i prefer if you guys say instead of we don't believe in god that we simply don't know.
I will if you will :whistling
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S3v3N
and we are just less than tiny micro species living in a tiny land compared to the vast universe .
why would your god be bothered if people believed in him or not then?
Also, surely in all of his infinite skillz he must have decided to create another species on one of the countless other planets out there, if so, are they all muslim and will you be meeting them in heaven? Or would they have a different heaven?
Or is he more of a one planet at a time type of chap?
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S3v3N
i know finding God logically is annoying and frustrating since there is many questions that can't be answered b'cuz our minds and senses are limited !
and we are just less than tiny micro species living in a tiny land compared to the vast universe .
i prefer if you guys say instead of we don't believe in god that we simply don't know
that's why god sends his messengers with miracles ,
whenever i have doubts in god i just read in the Koran " Mohamed's miracle " and i soon realize that these words in Koran are not from humans .
I am happy to do that and in return I would prefer for you guys to say "I respect your agnosticism" instead of "kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god". It seems a fair trade to me.
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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S3v3N
lol. I don't.
EDIT: Derren Brown's "miracles" are better than muhammed's, ffs :dabs:
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S3v3N
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Why do you people always have to try to change our minds about the stuff you believe in. Be happy you're on the right side and let other people in their beliefs.
It's that attitude that has been causing a lot of the adverse reactions when talking about the 'Islam'. When you people say that there is only one God and that's Allah you offend a lot of people here because they believe God (the father of Jesus) is the only God.
Maybe it's about time some members started to get signatures advertising for God and Jesus to be the true saviors.
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../...../whistling.gif
mate .. we believe that God is one . and Jesus is the savior .
the only difference is that you think Jesus was crucified .. we don't think so .. God says in Koran that Jews though that they crucified Jesus but the didn't they crucified someone else that look like Jesus .
I never said what I believed in ... you are missing my point.
Some religeons seem to be convinced they have to go out and convince all other people they are the one true religeon.
Happened with Cristianity too ... that's why they call that era the 'dark ages'.:naughty:
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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Biggles
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S3v3N
i know finding God logically is annoying and frustrating since there is many questions that can't be answered b'cuz our minds and senses are limited !
and we are just less than tiny micro species living in a tiny land compared to the vast universe .
i prefer if you guys say instead of we don't believe in god that we simply don't know
that's why god sends his messengers with miracles ,
whenever i have doubts in god i just read in the Koran " Mohamed's miracle " and i soon realize that these words in Koran are not from humans .
I am happy to do that and in return I would prefer for you guys to say "I respect your agnosticism" instead of "kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god". It seems a fair trade to me.
That's the thing with some religionists, they don't (or possibly can't cause of their religion) accept that other people have their own beliefs and believe that all other people are automatically wrong and will tell them so at every opportunity.
Slike when I pwned the fuck out of that chap from some church who was shouting at people through a microphone in town. He specifically called me an "ignorant sinner" so i stood infront of the gathered crowd and had a discussion with him. I pwned the fuck out of him but it felt like I cheated cause I used logic.
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why would your god be bothered if people believed in him or not then?
Also, surely in all of his infinite skillz he must have decided to create another species on one of the countless other planets out there, if so, are they all muslim and will you be meeting them in heaven? Or would they have a different heaven?
Or is he more of a one planet at a time type of chap?
not only Muslims will go to heaven lol ! every one that believe in god will go to heaven !
and i think even if you don't believe in god and you are good , you don't hate you don't hurt you treat people good , you respect people then you'll go to heaven .
i don't now if there is different creatures in different planets ! maybe .
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why would your god be bothered if people believed in him or not then?
it's like when you have a son ? you like him to be good , you reward him if he did something good and you punish him if he did something bad .
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I am happy to do that and in return I would prefer for you guys to say "I respect your agnosticism" instead of "kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god". It seems a fair trade to me.
i don't say "kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god" ... that's totally wrong .
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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S3v3N
not only Muslims will go to heaven lol ! every one that believe in god will go to heaven !
and i think even if you don't believe in god and you are good , you don't hate you don't hurt you treat people good , you respect people then you'll go to heaven .
i don't now if there is different creatures in different planets ! maybe .
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why would your god be bothered if people believed in him or not then?
it's like when you have a son ? you like him to be good , you reward him if he did something good and you punish him if he did something bad .
You're the first chap i've ever seen say that the none religious could go to heaven.
Obviously I think you're wrong as I don't believe in heaven anyway, like. I agree that it does sound fantastic and stuff, I just don't believe it exists.
On the plus side, if it did turn out that I was wrong about heaven, I could still go:yup:
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S3v3N
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I am happy to do that and in return I would prefer for you guys to say "I respect your agnosticism" instead of "kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god". It seems a fair trade to me.
i don't say "kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god" ... that's totally wrong .
I know you didn't say that but Moslem1 did just a few posts ago. :dry:
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
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S3v3N
not only Muslims will go to heaven lol ! every one that believe in god will go to heaven .!
Really:dabs:
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Re: "Prophet Mohammed Lovers"
Actually Mohamed said to slay those who were rejecting faith and were not rejecting because they had any confusion with regards to it, rather they were rejecting out of mere arrogance and pride,
He commanded Muslims to slay down those 'infidels' from amongst the polytheists.
The Jews and Christians, on the other hand, because they belonged to monotheistic faith, were to be fought against until they became politically subservient to Muslims.
