The Lost Thread (Starts 2-2-10)

Ok if Canada can deliver all the Lost episodes to me this early I'll rescind all my previous feelings harbored against them.

Yea.

And yet again, Desmond episodes always seem to deliver.

This seasons really picking up, guess they have to when they've been going on for 10 episodes without answering a single thing.

So, what's up with Desmond? It really does appear that he is an individual to which the "rules don't apply" seeing as how his memories from the island and flash sideways seem to meld together. ...I just need to show them something.

It was also a little unnerving to see how willingly Desmond went off with Sayid. It seemed like he was pretty eager to start helping Widmore, is he planning something?

On a slightly unrelated note, this is following the same pattern as the Richard centric episode, where it is one giant uninterrupted flashback/sideways instead of the standard back and forth nature of episodes. Is there a deeper meaning behind that?

I was kinda disappointed by the Kwon episode, it didn't seem to progress much important, so Desmond's episode was pretty awesome. Any episode with Daniel or Desmond is awesome, nevermind the two together.

I'm not sure that Desmond actually is planning to help Sayid. He just doesn't have much of an option at that point in time, and might as well see what's going on. Sayid would kick his ass.

As far as the pattern, there's probably a deeper meaning, but it's probably ambiguous enough that we could come up with five explanations that all make sense, but none of them are actually the meaning intended. Of course, it might just be to jerk us around.

Obviously Desmond wanted to be taken to The Man in Black whether as part of Widmore's plan( likely) or his own remains to be seen.There was a brief glimpse in next week's where pseudo-Locke said to someone( Desmond?) "Why aren't you afraid?"

You know the title "Man in Black " is becoming increasingly apropos as there are certainly a lot of similarities between this season on Lost and Stephen King's The Stand.I wonder who ,if anyone, is going to turn out to be the Trashcan Man?

Anyway I thought it was a terrific episode too and we did learn( sort of ) what the alternate life thing was about.

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As far as the pattern, there's probably a deeper meaning, but it's probably ambiguous enough that we could come up with five explanations that all make sense, but none of them are actually the meaning intended.

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Probably.

Well said :lol:

Something I definitely did not notice my first time through and is very, very intriguing indeed:

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One of the big clues in "Happily Ever After" was the lack of a wedding ring on Desmond's finger. If you recall, he wore one in the Season 6 premiere when he was on Oceanic 815 with Jack. So either Desmond was keeping the cougars at bay on the long flight, or we're looking at two different Desmonds, and hence two different alternate realities.

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Desmond episodes (as a matter of device) change the game. They swerve on established thought and bus us somewhere altogether undiscovered.

Just as Alpert's (magnificent) flashback informed us of where we come from, Desmond's flash-sideways tells us where we're going to arrive.

There's very little left to answer as far as I'm concerned.

Ok I liked the return of Desmond also BUT,
The return of the hobbit was an unpleasant surprise. I think Eloise's haircut was a disaster. I like the way supporting characters are re-appearing but Faraday looks more like a scientist than a young rich rock fan. I'm looking forward for the return of Mr. Eco and Juliet

And a few questions
I'm not sure who is the other person involved in the deal Eloise was talking about.
Last time we've seen her, she was trying to bring all the main characters together to the island, now she is trying to do exactly the opposite why?
Who is Peny's mother?
Why Desmond isn't ready in the parallel side of life?
What is the meaning of the meeting with the 815 passengers he is preparing?
Are they heading to a third return to the island that will cause a third alternative time?
Or he just changed sides with the parallel Desmond and that's the reason he looks like a fool at the island and he knows what to do at the alternative time?

Am I the only one confused?

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Originally Posted by brightsid

Am I the only one confused?

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Is that a serious question? :mellow:

The creepy little kid is back :O. Am I the only one that thinks he bears a striking resemblance to Jacob? Could he be like Michael, one of the deceased left on the island and "unable to let go"?

And we finally know what the whispers are (kinda)! However, it still doesn't quite explain how the conveniently seem to coincide with/relate to the Others and their presence on the island.

And one other little quip - perhaps by the end of the season, we'll understand all this nonsense surrounding Jacob, MIB, the flashsideways, etc. etc. But will they, in any form, tie back to the first 5 seasons? What exactly, did the first 5 seasons of this show serve to demonstrate to us viewers that had to be conveyed before the conclusion (season 6) could be aired? Aside from the obvious character development of season 1, why did the writers feel the need to spend one season on the hatch, one on the others, one on the flashforwards/off-island, one with the flashes through the Dharma, etc.? What was the purpose of Ben, an extremely bad ass fucking antagonist that has turned into a mere shell of his former self? Why did we need to know these things before we were introduced to season 6? Will the show come full circle?

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And one other little quip -... will they, in any form, tie back to the first 5 seasons? What exactly, did the first 5 seasons of this show serve to demonstrate to us viewers that had to be conveyed before the conclusion (season 6) could be aired? Aside from the obvious character development of season 1, why did the writers feel the need to spend one season on the hatch, one on the others, one on the flashforwards/off-island, one with the flashes through the Dharma, etc.? What was the purpose of Ben, an extremely bad ass fucking antagonist that has turned into a mere shell of his former self? Why did we need to know these things before we were introduced to season 6? Will the show come full circle?

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pretty sure a lot of that stuff is filler. if they had never decided to end the series with the 6th season, they could have gone on forever with fillers to stall the series

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and WTF, desmond better not be dead!

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Originally Posted by colt45joe

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and WTF, desmond better not be dead!

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Even if you missed the teaser for next week it should have been pretty apparent that if the writers wanted pseudo-Locke to kill Desmond they would have just had him knife or something equally brutal and final( same with alternate Locke btw and what the fuck would killing alternate Locke accomplish anyway since he isn't really connected to pseudo-Locke) .
Now the big question is whether Sayad does the deed .Even going by the preview highly unlikely ,but then again they( apparently) have to continue to whittle away at the main characters.

Btw I don't like the new "I'm in charge" Hurley at all.Plays against everything that made the character endearing in the first place.

Next Episode is Jackcentric

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The Last Recruit (Being Jack with an apparent change of team)

Really intersting episode the last one. The endings left many questions to be answered.

It was nice to see Libby again. But, I'm not really sure what's going on with Hugo. I guess we'll have to see!

Im laughing at the people who lost faith in the show, the last season is immense

Far more action and straightforward events went into this episode, which is great considering how much Lost always seems to focus on the build up while never giving anything in return.

It's clear that these episodes are clearly mounting to an intense finale, I'm pumped :happy:

Anyone notice however how clunky and poorly written the scenes are in which loose ends are tied? Such as the whispers/Christian Shepard appearing on the island? They were pretty much isolated, seemingly forced in (especially the whispers) reveals where cast members bluntly told us exactly what was what. Wasn't too particularly thrilled with that kind of writing, but I guess it's better than nothing.

Tonights Lost better be good after they had the nerve to delay the episode a week :dry:

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Tonights Lost better be good after they had the nerve to delay the episode a week :dry:

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Indeed. For me, last week was a real body blow as I only watch "Lost", "Breaking Bad", and "Fringe". Fully, a third of a week in the crapper :)

That's it a freakin' sub? Five years invested in the characters and that's what I get?
All I have to say is that producers better have a pretty good parallel universe,last episode, their lives/deaths had meaning ,no sacrifice is in vain thing planned or someone can expect a rock through their window.:angry:

New term he got Lapidused . Definition Death by apparent lack of imagination or interest.

I'm pretty sure I've figured it out. I know how the show is going to end.

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Remember this?

That's how the show is going to end again, but with Jack and "Locke" representing good and evil.

It's obvious now that "Locke" isn't leaving the island. And with Jack being adamant about not leaving either (believing in the real Locke's clairvoyance), every sign seems to point toward this.

Any takers?

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

That's it a freakin' sub? Five years invested in the characters and that's what I get?
All I have to say is that producers better have a pretty good parallel universe,last episode, their lives/deaths had meaning ,no sacrifice is in vain thing planned or someone can expect a rock through their window.:angry:

New term he got Lapidused . Definition Death by apparent lack of imagination or interest.

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I thought the same thing. Also, why wouldn't "Locke" have gone first seeing as he is bulletproof?

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Originally Posted by Skiz

Also, why wouldn't "Locke" have gone first seeing as he is bulletproof?

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yeh, i was thinking that too... but did you watch the episode? it was all part of his plan ...

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Also, why wouldn't "Locke" have gone first seeing as he is bulletproof?

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yeh, i was thinking that too... but did you watch the episode? it was all part of his plan ...

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Or for that matter why wouldn't he have just let they on get on the plane and blow up?
You can argue that it was because Jack wasn't getting on but until a certain person got shot Jack wasn't getting on the sub either.

[QUOTE=Skiz;3447922]I'm pretty sure I've figured it out. I know how the show is going to end.

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Remember this?

That's how the show is going to end again, but with Jack and "Locke" representing good and evil.

It's obvious now that "Locke" isn't leaving the island. And with Jack being adamant about not leaving either (believing in the real Locke's clairvoyance), every sign seems to point toward this.

Any takers?

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Certainly could with maybe the "spirits" of all his dead friends still there to keep him company ?
I don't like the thought of the treacle of the spirits part but I was thinking last night about how up to this point just about every single character has died:dabs:.
For sure Hurley somehow has to factor into the final outcome although in this case I'd just as soon they'd killed him off ten or so episodes ago.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

New term he got Lapidused . Definition Death by apparent lack of imagination or interest.

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I was rather irritated by Ilana's death as well, which also was, as you put it, seemingly "lacking of imagination or interest". I was hoping it had some connection to the fact that Ilana was never "touched" by Jacob in the season 5 finale (As opposed to Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Hurley, and Richard). Since Richard had divulged that he had been "touched" by Jacob and thus couldn't kill himself with dynamite, that was perhaps why everyone else was perfectly safe but once Ilana touched the unstable dynamite, she would instantly die. But perhaps I'm just giving the writers too much credit.

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yeh, i was thinking that too... but did you watch the episode? it was all part of his plan ...

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Or for that matter why wouldn't he have just let they on get on the plane and blow up?

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My guess would be that according to Jack's theory (and what I had previously mentioned that people "touched" by Jacob couldn't kill themselves) maybe contributed to why Locke couldn't get on the plane. Perhaps Jack/the others getting on the plane, starting the plane and blowing themselves up is too suicidal, so is thus rendered moot through Jacob's touch? But that with Jack's theory that they have to kill eachother, that triggering the countdown on the bomb would constitute killing eachother, thus allowing MIB to circumvent the "rules"?

Or another very likely possibility is that Locke was simply bluffing. Widmore had mentioned that he was protecting Sawyer "for his own good", and I don't see any logical reason for why Widmore would want the candidates dead.

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All I have to say is that producers better have a pretty good parallel universe,last episode, their lives/deaths had meaning ,no sacrifice is in vain thing planned or someone can expect a rock through their window.:angry:

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Definitely have to agree with that :dabs:. They've left far too many loose, seemingly unrelated and strangely organized plot points to not have an amazing, incredibly well written final couple of episodes to tie it together. Otherwise there will be quite a few very very disappointed Lost fans...

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

For sure Hurley somehow has to factor into the final outcome although in this case I'd just as soon they'd killed him off ten or so episodes ago.

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I'm still rooting for Hurley to be Jacob, but maybe that's me. He seems like a generally good natured guy that wouldn't be prone to MIB's corruption, and Jack seems like the far too predictable choice.

Oh and by the way, Lost finale is being extended half an hour (to two and a half hours!):

http://www.tv.com/the-lost-finale-ge...spot;gumball;1

Hope that means good things to come... (and not just more commercial time :pinch:). But if Lost is so structured as they claim it to be, could they really add that much additional content?

I also found this quote from TV.com to be funny (as referencing to Sun/Sayid's death):

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One more note: I've always been a big fan of the cast diversity of Lost, but in one sub explosion, the cast went from all the colors of the rainbow to pretty darned white!

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PS: Where the fuck are Bernard and Rose (Island Timeline)?

I know you could go back and forth on this all night but if Sayid's act doesn't "qualify" as suicidal I don't know what does .Same btw with Jin.It was a conscious choice in the same way Locke attempting to hang himself was so fuck the supposed writers logic:dabs:.

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Parts of Glee were brilliant btw.Nice that the only two shows I make a point to watch they program opposite each other.

I think that maybe because Sawyer decided to pull those wires out it flipped some supernatural switch that allowed them to die because they were "killing eachother" (due to Sawyer's mistake that indirectly will "kill" people), causing all hell to break loose and any death a result of Sawyer's (another person, not suicidal) mistake.

Then again, I'm just pulling at strings here to defend a seemingly collapsing show :(. If the season finale in anyway can simply match the scale of the third season finale (Through the looking glass) I'll be completely satisfied, but maybe I'm expecting too much.

Oh and I haven't watched the latest Glee yet, been pretty swamped, although I do agree that the episodes have been pretty great lately. I'll get back to you on that after I've seen it :happy:

Glee

Did you know that Dolphins are just gay sharks?

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i was patient with the show for five years, but i'm really not liking the final season. the whole side-ways thing...way too much time spent in that *universe* or whatever. but maybe they can turn this thing around like in season 3. i just fear that we wont get a lot of satisfying answers for some of the mysteries. feels like the writers are only interested in the whole Jacob/Smokie chess game.

The little boy that's been stalking Smokey is most definitely Jacob.

http://www.tv.com/video/10445232/los...er;show_videos

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The little boy that's been stalking Smokey is most definitely Jacob.

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I would agree, not only does he look the same but it also makes sense. I think thats why "Smokey" is so afraid of him when they encounter.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

I know you could go back and forth on this all night but if Sayid's act doesn't "qualify" as suicidal I don't know what does .Same btw with Jin.It was a conscious choice in the same way Locke attempting to hang himself was so fuck the supposed writers logic:dabs:.

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Parts of Glee were brilliant btw.Nice that the only two shows I make a point to watch they program opposite each other.

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lol, you're addicted to this shit.

may your soul rest in peace.

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I know you could go back and forth on this all night but if Sayid's act doesn't "qualify" as suicidal I don't know what does .Same btw with Jin.It was a conscious choice in the same way Locke attempting to hang himself was so fuck the supposed writers logic:dabs:.

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Parts of Glee were brilliant btw.Nice that the only two shows I make a point to watch they program opposite each other.

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lol, you're addicted to this shit.

may your soul rest in peace.

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Feces, maybe, nonetheless
We sees details coalesce.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

I know you could go back and forth on this all night but if Sayid's act doesn't "qualify" as suicidal I don't know what does .Same btw with Jin.It was a conscious choice in the same way Locke attempting to hang himself was so fuck the supposed writers logic:dabs:.

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Parts of Glee were brilliant btw.Nice that the only two shows I make a point to watch they program opposite each other.

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lol, you're addicted to this shit.

may your soul rest in peace.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again and btw I'm not joking,I don't respect the opinion of anyone who punctuates a sentence with lol .:dabs:
You might as well just be done with it and hang a sign around your neck properly declaring that you're a retard.

the lol was not only meant to temper the vehemence of my statement, it was also a way - like another - to give you a chance to pounce on me... which you did perfectly well.

actually, it's called being fair.

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the lol was not only meant to temper the vehemence of my statement, it was also a way - like another - to give you a chance to pounce on me... which you did perfectly well.

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Nobody's purfect.http://smilearchive.com/s/otn/other/jpshakehead.gif

Re Across the Sea

Besides being essentially pointless in that it still didn't bother to answer even the most elementary of questions( so much for the big reveal and justifying the fans continuing support of the show ) the episode suck in ways I didn't think possible for the penultimate episode of Dukes of Hazard let alone Lost.
Seriously do the writers/producers/network think so little of the viewers or do they basically just not really give a shit?

Afterthat exercise in nothingness I now expect the "big finale" to be nothing more than an overpadded cynical excuse to fit in as many commercials as possible a la American Idol.

Not that I've been watching but I heard that the producers of 24 are not going to let things end well for Jack "because the show is a tragedy".:dabs:
Are these fucking coked up nitwits really so basically out of touch with their audience that they too think that's how anyone wants the show to end?

I'd go watch Iron Man Too but I ready have and for anyone over 14 or above the level of retard it sucked as well.

Thinking back to where the hell Rose and Bernard were, making them the "Adam and Eve" would've been a really neat idea.

But Lost is going downhill and they're completely drained of ideas anyway so not like it'll make much of a difference.

(By the way, last nights episode was completely terrible. If you couldn't tell from Idol's little tirade there.)

Last episode would be a good one if it was season's premiere. Now 2 eps before the final it was just a poor filler. I never expected a finale answering everything but a kill or get killed ending is a disappointing one

I'm glad that Ben is FINALLY back in action and kicking some ass. He has been pretty pathetic for the last season or two and its nice to see him back and raring to go. Still hasn't quite returned to his former glory, but it's better than nothing. He was easily one of my favorite characters in Lost.

As for the episode, not quite sure what to think of yet. It was clearly another setup episode for the finale. Here's to hoping it'll be good (and somehow redeem the last season).

And now Jack is Jacob. Who didn't see that coming :unsure:

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Besides being essentially pointless in that it still didn't bother to answer even the most elementary of questions( so much for the big reveal and justifying the fans continuing support of the show ) the episode suck in ways I didn't think possible for the penultimate episode of Dukes of Hazard let alone Lost.
Seriously do the writers/producers/network think so little of the viewers or do they basically just not really give a shit?

Afterthat exercise in nothingness I now expect the "big finale" to be nothing more than an overpadded cynical excuse to fit in as many commercials as possible a la American Idol.

Not that I've been watching but I heard that the producers of 24 are not going to let things end well for Jack "because the show is a tragedy".:dabs:
Are these fucking coked up nitwits really so basically out of touch with their audience that they too think that's how anyone wants the show to end?

I'd go watch Iron Man Too but I ready have and for anyone over 14 or above the level of retard it sucked as well.

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So you didn't like it then. I thought it was the most refreshing episodes in years and their dedicating an entire episode to it shows the importance of it down the road.

I told you guys I had the show figured out weeks ago and with Jack taking the reins, I'm shaping up to be perfectly right. :01:

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I told you guys I had the show figured out weeks ago and with Jack taking the reins, I'm shaping up to be perfectly right. :01:

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If it hadn't been for Jack drinking the water and going all Jacoby plus me pretty much now sure of the fact that the writers of Lost are basically winging it at this point ( more quick and pointless deaths to old and new characters show either no forethought or no imagination - I'm also no longer buying that they had a real story arch planned except in the very broadest of strokes) I'd stake money on the fact that Jack still isn't the "final " candidate.

How about this for a scenario ?The whole water thing doesn't mean anything ( or it does and so the real poignancy at the end)Jack falls to Locke and either Sawyer or Hurley (mostly Sawyer for obvious reasons ) against all odds after completing the job of defeating MIB realize that wanted or not an island /world needs protecting and "a man's got to do what a man's got to do"
Not so far fetched really since the point was made in the last episode that neither wanted anything to do with it(candidacy).Plus it's an ironic turnabout/redemption for James ( not to mention the final bitter Kate thing - see also Jack's death))or assumed destiny for Hurley( who clearly has been more in tune with the Island than anyone for like forever).

Btw I just want to reiterate how "cheap" the deaths of old and beloved characters have become .Six seasons(in the case of some) invested and everyone's fate becomes nothing more than an afterthought in a rush to a ( probably) obvious and fulfilling conclusion.

And yes I'm sure the fanbois/girls will still cry but probably only out of their sheer lack of intelligence and not because the end held any emotional resonance or anything.

Btw I'm only rarting because I have have followed Lost from the start and was hoping for if not brilliance then at least competency at the end.
Or at least not be metaphorically slapped in the face like.