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did you guys notice that just before all the smiths showed up at the oracle's apartment when she was still talking to neo she picked up her bracelet then it cut to neo and back to her and she picked it up again. de ja vu, they changed something but this time they didn't point it out for you haha, i thought that was cool. :D
The movie cannot be called Zion revolutions b'cos people revolted against the matrix and not against Zion.Quote:
Originally posted by AlucardXXVII@9 November 2003 - 23:51
However, there could have been more Matrix in it, there was only Matrix in the movie for 20 minutes. The rest was Zion. should have been called Zion Revolutions
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The movie cannot be called Zion revolutions b'cos people revolted against the matrix and not against Zion. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by ibelledthecat+10 November 2003 - 01:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ibelledthecat @ 10 November 2003 - 01:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-AlucardXXVII@9 November 2003 - 23:51
However, there could have been more Matrix in it, there was only Matrix in the movie for 20 minutes. The rest was Zion. should have been called Zion Revolutions
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yeah + its ABOUT the matrix :rolleyes:
I was being sarcastic, man. The movie was all about Zion, and I didn't think there was enough Matrix in it. Also, there was no Bullet Time! No bullet time except for the Neo punching Smith thing, but that doesn't really count...
Bullet Time is a staple of the Matrix!
trinity's kick was in bullet time, but didnt have the bullets
The Oracle basically cleared up the whole story when she saw Neo again. She said that he was the One, the positive forceand Smith, his opponent, was the negative force.Quote:
Originally posted by AlucardXXVII@9 November 2003 - 17:51
5) How did Smith Die?
Once again, it's kind of up to individual speculation, but I think that Smith and Neo were opposite anomalies of eachother, and when Smith assimilated Neo, they merged and cancelled eachother out, just like two sides of an equation set equal...problem solved!
When Neo could not beat him in the end, he knew that he had to sacrifice himself in order to save humanity! The moment Smith copied himself over Neo, the positve force and the negative force cancelled each other out. This led to the end of THIS cycle of the Matrix and started a NEW cycle.
In Matrix Revolutions, the Architect told Neo his job was to bring balance to the Matrix and the only way for (free) humanity to survive was if Neo chooses several individuals from Zion and brings them somewhere else to start all over again, to start a new CYCLE of the Matrix (but he did not listen and chose another way).
The Oracle is the couterpart to the Architect, she is supposed to unbalance the Matrix. And she believed that this time, this CYCLE of the Matrix, things would change and she was right.
The Architect also mentioned to Neo that so far this is the 7th or 8th cycle of the Matrix (like a new life time) and that there will be another One, like Neo that will once again restart the cycle of the Matrix.
The Oracle basically cleared up the whole story when she saw Neo again. She said that he was the One, the positive forceand Smith, his opponent, was the negative force.Quote:
Originally posted by MadDog-2000+10 November 2003 - 02:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MadDog-2000 @ 10 November 2003 - 02:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-AlucardXXVII@9 November 2003 - 17:51
5) How did Smith Die?
Once again, it's kind of up to individual speculation, but I think that Smith and Neo were opposite anomalies of eachother, and when Smith assimilated Neo, they merged and cancelled eachother out, just like two sides of an equation set equal...problem solved!
When Neo could not beat him in the end, he knew that he had to sacrifice himself in order to save humanity! The moment Smith copied himself over Neo, the positve force and the negative force cancelled each other out. This led to the end of THIS cycle of the Matrix and started a NEW cycle.
In Matrix Revolutions, the Architect told Neo his job was to bring balance to the Matrix and the only way for (free) humanity to survive was if Neo chooses several individuals from Zion and brings them somewhere else to start all over again, to start a new CYCLE of the Matrix (but he did not listen and chose another way).
The Oracle is the couterpart to the Architect, she is supposed to unbalance the Matrix. And she believed that this time, this CYCLE of the Matrix, things would change and she was right.
The Architect also mentioned to Neo that so far this is the 7th or 8th cycle of the Matrix (like a new life time) and that there will be another One, like Neo that will once again restart the cycle of the Matrix. [/b][/quote]
so its jsut gonna happen over and over and over again.....
PS: did yall see the captain die in that mechanicle robot gun turret thingy.... he got hella fuc*ed up and died hella grusomly.... gotta hella cuts on his face......ewwwww
I dont think neo died because the oracle said to that girl that they will see him again.
she said i suspect........... <_<Quote:
Originally posted by neattairoski@10 November 2003 - 03:00
I dont think neo died because the oracle said to that girl that they will see him again.
smith was oracle :blink: :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by TheFilePirater@10 November 2003 - 03:44
5.)he died when all the other smith's were blown apart, in the end you could see the 1st smith that battled neo was the oracle...
Can u explain
smith was oracle :blink: :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+10 November 2003 - 04:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user @ 10 November 2003 - 04:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheFilePirater@10 November 2003 - 03:44
5.)he died when all the other smith's were blown apart, in the end you could see the 1st smith that battled neo was the oracle...
Can u explain [/b][/quote]
Smith did that converting thingy you know where he sticks his hands in to you and then black stuff comes out and then somehow you get a suit and sunglasses and stuff and you look like him and then he turn to him! he did that on the oracle ;)
oops ma mistake i thought he was talking about arcetect :lol:
:lol: LOL Yeah he turned the CREATOR of the matrix in to a smith.... like that'll ever happen :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@10 November 2003 - 05:30
oops ma mistake i thought he was talking about arcetect :lol:
The ending could have been worse.
imagine this endning.
Smith walks up to NEo and does that merge thing and then Neo wakes up and looks at his PC screen and sais
"follow the white rabbit" and Neo sais
"it was just a dream"
God Damn that would have pissed me of.
the matrix was shite. i know there is a tread for it in movieworld, but i need a new thread to let me vent my anger. the first one was really good, but the second was a big pile of wank, and the third was a total cock smuggling piece of shite. it was sooooooo cheesy. thanks for your time. also did anyone think the bit when agent smith was asking the oracle about the cookie that he was stoned. i get the same sort of paralleles when i have been smoking as he got in that particular scene. wondering whether everything happens for a reason.
Like ive said before
OVER RATED
1) Neo's dead right?
i thought he just got put back in the goo, but i think your supposed to wonder so it leaves space for the matrix 4
2) Is the Matrix (fake world) still continuing or is everyone free?
not everyone can handle being freed so rather than beating the machines they had to make peace.
3) Was all the machines wanted was Smith to Die?
at the end neo told the machine thing that Smith was going to end both worlds. as a trade for neo killing smith the robot granted peace.
4) Why did the robots make peace?
look up :)
5) How did Smith Die?
i cant remember. i think its cos the oracle only knows the future because people dont make there own choices, but cos neo wouldnt stop, smith self-destructed
6) Did the Movie Suck In YOur thoughts? (the ending sucked ASS)
eeeyaoooo maybe
i dont kno if its been posted yet :ph34r: but i believe that the ending (last scene) is about the little girl where the oricle says "did you do that?" and the little girl said something like "its for neo" so wtf is up with the girl, is she special or just wierd :huh:
the rest of the film i understand
1) i dont believe neo is dead, i think he is gonna be reinsertedQuote:
Originally posted by TheDave@10 November 2003 - 15:08
1) Neo's dead right?
i thought he just got put back in the goo, but i think your supposed to wonder so it leaves space for the matrix 4
2) Is the Matrix (fake world) still continuing or is everyone free?
not everyone can handle being freed so rather than beating the machines they had to make peace.
3) Was all the machines wanted was Smith to Die?
at the end neo told the machine thing that Smith was going to end both worlds. as a trade for neo killing smith the robot granted peace.
4) Why did the robots make peace?
look up :)
5) How did Smith Die?
i cant remember. i think its cos the oracle only knows the future because people dont make there own choices, but cos neo wouldnt stop, smith self-destructed
6) Did the Movie Suck In YOur thoughts? (the ending sucked ASS)
eeeyaoooo maybe
2) those who want to be free can be so the acutech (sp) says
3) yeah smith was out of control all they wanted was him gone he was a virus
4) they wanted control, and thats what they have
5) Smith tried to overwrite neo, but neo had some code in him that caused agent smith to be destroyed (kinda like anti-virus)
6) i really enjoyed the movie although when neo and blaine where fightin a near had a fit from the flashing lights :huh: :lol:
great movie! :wub:
what a long topic!
heres what i think (contains spoilers):
1) Humanity made the matrix sytem (AI) turned out to be: man+women. These 2 people are the architect and the oracle. The architect became evil and oracle good. Both can never be destroyed because they are the matrix. They balance each other out (like the opposites: man & wife).
2) The french guy only survived one 'The-One' so hes not been here long, so he must have someone after him when he dies & a counterguy which is good. This could be:
a. the girl
b. his wife
c. chinese guy: The French guy and that chinese looking guy seemed to have met in the past. He could also be a gaurdian angel or something.
3) Neo cant defeat smith as they have the same strength. The final hit from Smith lets Neo realize how he can destroy him. Let him be erased or rewritten by Smith. The world would be unbalanced because there is too much evil and Smith would get destroyed by himself to unbalance things.
This doesnt mean that neo died in the real world /or/ it could mean that his body now houses Smith (as seen with bane).
However Neo could have been backed up before he entered the matrix.
4) The oracle asks the girl in the end if she made the sun. And she answers: Yes. Now who in the world is the girl? Is she the next 'The-One' or what? Then i start to think about 2)a. She can program like the French guy.
5) Smith got the power of the oracle to see in time. But as she said: you cant see something if you dont understand it. This is what scares Smith in the end: he suddenly doesnt understand.
6) The oracle is always re-inserted into the matrix by the architect because else: world unbalance>he goes>matrix gone. Explaines why shes back in the end.
/OR/
As Smith was destroyed, everyone he 'assimilated' returned.
This all i can think of now.
so now, it's not settled that neo is alive or reinserted? i thought it was a great movie. touching even. all the critics were fucked up in the ass to hard by a cow. the movie was the best i've cn all year. everything else was either stupid, or pointless. this was for sure the best movie all year. still, then ending, so the architect said he'll free everyone, like he's not human (born to lie). if he is freeing everyone, how would he survive? and how would he reinsert neo? so neo is dead then? i'm confused. but it was a great movie either way
Matrix 4 Plot...Quote:
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@11 November 2003 - 04:41
so now, it's not settled that neo is alive or reinserted? i thought it was a great movie. touching even. all the critics were fucked up in the ass to hard by a cow. the movie was the best i've cn all year. everything else was either stupid, or pointless. this was for sure the best movie all year. still, then ending, so the architect said he'll free everyone, like he's not human (born to lie). if he is freeing everyone, how would he survive? and how would he reinsert neo? so neo is dead then? i'm confused. but it was a great movie either way
Archietect doesnt free anyone so neo has to go kick his old ass :ph34r:
Matrix 4 Plot...Quote:
Originally posted by Stonecoldfreak1+11 November 2003 - 04:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Stonecoldfreak1 @ 11 November 2003 - 04:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@11 November 2003 - 04:41
so now, it's not settled that neo is alive or reinserted? i thought it was a great movie. touching even. all the critics were fucked up in the ass to hard by a cow. the movie was the best i've cn all year. everything else was either stupid, or pointless. this was for sure the best movie all year. still, then ending, so the architect said he'll free everyone, like he's not human (born to lie). if he is freeing everyone, how would he survive? and how would he reinsert neo? so neo is dead then? i'm confused. but it was a great movie either way
Archietect doesnt free anyone so neo has to go kick his old ass :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
:lol: but i thought this was the end of the "beginning" ;)
:lol: but i thought this was the end of the "beginning" ;) [/b][/quote]Quote:
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so now, it's not settled that neo is alive or reinserted? i thought it was a great movie. touching even. all the critics were fucked up in the ass to hard by a cow. the movie was the best i've cn all year. everything else was either stupid, or pointless. this was for sure the best movie all year. still, then ending, so the architect said he'll free everyone, like he's not human (born to lie). if he is freeing everyone, how would he survive? and how would he reinsert neo? so neo is dead then? i'm confused. but it was a great movie either way
Matrix 4 Plot...
Archietect doesnt free anyone so neo has to go kick his old ass :ph34r:
that confused me :unsure:
that confused me :unsure: [/b][/quote]Quote:
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so now, it's not settled that neo is alive or reinserted? i thought it was a great movie. touching even. all the critics were fucked up in the ass to hard by a cow. the movie was the best i've cn all year. everything else was either stupid, or pointless. this was for sure the best movie all year. still, then ending, so the architect said he'll free everyone, like he's not human (born to lie). if he is freeing everyone, how would he survive? and how would he reinsert neo? so neo is dead then? i'm confused. but it was a great movie either way
Matrix 4 Plot...
Archietect doesnt free anyone so neo has to go kick his old ass :ph34r:
:lol: but i thought this was the end of the "beginning" ;)
beginning of the end :lol:
Plz correct me if iam wrong
as we know every pc need a opreting system to be able to run and matrix is OS for machine world, isnt?
Here's one of the better threories i've heard about the end.
The machines allow Neo to plug into the matrix for the final showdown. Smith eventually takes over Neo. Now, Smith is even more powerful, and would be in Neo's real body (kinda like what happened to that other guy, sorry forgot his name). To prevent super Smith from taking over everything, the machines destroy Neo's body (if you remember, they kind of showed this, with what looked like large energy pulses into Neo's body), and effectively kill the main Agent Smith. So Neo is basically sacrificed to save everyone, the machines and the humans. This sort of follows the "god" like pattern of Neo as well (as Jesus died to save everyone from sin... Neo died to save everyone period).
Can't say this is fact but thought it was a pretty good theory.
yes i think thats correct. the matrix is the os and the machines are the computer (which feeds on humans)Quote:
Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@11 November 2003 - 17:23
Plz correct me if iam wrong
as we know every pc need a opreting system to be able to run and matrix is OS for machine world, isnt?
That sound's like the most plausible theory i've heard so far mojo2185, it mostly makes sense but still leaves the question about all the other Smith's, as only 1 of them took over Neo's body so what happened to the rest?
Perhap's, a theory to go with your's, is that when Smith took over Neo's body it allowed the Matrix to spread a virus/anti-virus into the system that would destroy all the Smiths (maybe they couldn't before as they didn't have a way of infecting one of them to start it spreading? or they couldn't create a virus/anti-virus until Smith took over Neo as then it enabled them to examine Smith's code?)
I doubt we'll know what really happened at the end for along time, as the brothers will probably wait an age before they finally say what really happened just so when interest in it start's fading they can give it a bit of a boost.
Sniper.
Well i thought it might be more of a firewall sort of system which protects the Smiths.Quote:
Originally posted by SniperInTheShadows@11 November 2003 - 23:36
(maybe they couldn't before as they didn't have a way of infecting one of them to start it spreading? or they couldn't create a virus/anti-virus until Smith took over Neo as then it enabled them to examine Smith's code?)
There's some kind of restart when another smith links up with the original one (his head moves slightly backwards). Like a network or something. When a virus has infected one computer on a network => others will get infected too.
(Spider_dude)
The first rule of talk club, is no one talks in talk club.
The second rule of talk club is no one talks in talk club.........
NEO + TRINITY DIED ! O M G!
.... i dont know if anyone else posted that but i thought ide post it to spoil it for some of you guys that didnt read it before myab ye k thnx maybhe yeah.
use this: .Quote:
Originally posted by bujub22@12 November 2003 - 16:35
well every body on kazaa saying the movie was good was bad well its all good to me pretty much the whole movie reminds me of reboot the cartoon basically how machines and humans function together all kind of confusing but as a writer myself i see were they were going with all that when neo died and smith ended all i have to say is read a book called stellars sci fi novel #4 it tell a lot on the backround on how to get were the 1 who wrote the story talking about the 2 brother who made the matrix were smart they basiclly took other scenerio's from other movies if u didnt get that part watch all terminader and a.i and the planet of the apes theres alway 1 thing they leave you with when u see the movies what happen afta the fact everything went down and what happen to them after words if you come out from watching a movie with qustions rather than answers than that was a good movie cause it made u want more
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yeah but i guess the credit still goes to them because if you have great scenes, you still need to complete the package, if you know what i mean. And they have to try and present it in an original way. Other movies have also included scenes from other movies. Like scary movie. :)
The architect says at the end, whoever wants to get out, will be allowed to.
Also, I don't know if alot of people know this but, the oracle was changed into another body by the Merovingon. But thats because the Merovingon got her codes by the parents of the little girl, that was the deal, so they could smuggle her into the Matrix.
well done justin you are quite right (must have a good source of info there) i just guessed it at the time and later got confirmation, no one likes a traitor but if they hadnt , well who knows what would have happened , also leaves the door open for other 'mystical powers that may be' in future episodes....which there will be i THINK but obviously -1 Neo .
My source is good, it's Enter The Matrix...It shows Ghost visiting the Oracle, and he says what happend to you, and she says she was betrayed by the 2 programs she trusted the most, and was given their child. It didn't make sense at the time, but after Revolutions, it makes perfect sense.
My source is good, it's Enter The Matrix...It shows Ghost visiting the Oracle, and he says what happend to you, and she says she was betrayed by the 2 programs she trusted the most, and was given their child. It didn't make sense at the time, but after Revolutions, it makes perfect sense.
My source is good, it's Enter The Matrix...It shows Ghost visiting the Oracle, and he says what happend to you, and she says she was betrayed by the 2 programs she trusted the most, and was given their child. It didn't make sense at the time, but after Revolutions, it makes perfect sense.
pointless post, board froze my comp