Oh, the ironing. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
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Oh, the ironing. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Yup it's ironing alright when I've seen you get on your high horse about the same shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420
I've seen you do same crap with me while ignoring others. :huh:
Many of us are extra vigilant (God knows I am).......a small few are vigilante.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
I also have extra knowledge witht the list. It also keeps the offender on their toes. We are watching. :shifty:
I think that's more to do with the immatureness of your name calling* and the repressed homosexual subtext that your insults contain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Yeah, I call people names on occassion but I do try to only be responding in kind.
*Yes, I realise the irony there as well.
I am calm :blushing: and well said/posted Nikki, TYVM :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NikkiD
I couldn't be arsed to go that deep into my opinion, had other things to worry about
Hesh, I was merely responding in the manner that you posted towards me
knock off the bullshit, I'll knock it off too, easy as that ;)
I care to know about who's been convicted of molestation,
because then I can take the precautions necessary to keep my kids away from these people,
or to instruct them how to react if/when confronted by such a person
(a swift kick in the balls comes to mind) :devil:
and before any of you jump on yer high horse....
NO I DO NOT WANT MY CHILDREN TO HAVE TO FACE SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES
I can see the possible reactions to this post...
"oh he's a rootin' tootin' gun totin' sun-of-a-gun that just wants his kid to go around kickin pepole in the nads, hyuck hyuck"
I dont even want to have to have a precautionary talk with them about it,
as I feel even the discussion is a theft of some of their innocence,
but child abuse/molestation is one of reality's sad faces
so what do you do? stay ignorant and make them a potential victim?
to hell with that, lessening the risk is a good way to start IMO
community service is another
I coach Little League, so I got kids up teh wazoo
on a slow week, we practice Mon-Wed-Fri, for about 2 1/2 - 3 hrs
the kids are in a safe place for that time
it's a pretty busy schedule for them, yeah, school til about 3 or so,
homework, then dealing with us degenerate coaches for a few hours :P
it leaves hardly any time for Nintendo or Playstation, I know :lol:
but it also leaves little time for them to be in potential harm's way
and when I say they are safe, believe it, at least while they're with me
I've kicked fuckers out of the park before, and I'll do it again,
if I feel they pose even the mildest threat to one of my kids ;)
the parents seem to support this, funny huh?
we got kids & parents itching to get on our team
not just because we teach em baseabll, or because we win,
but because the kids are my primary concern, as it should be,
and hopefully they come away from this season with more than a simple understanding of how to turn a double play
if I catch someone smokin dope at the park....gtfo
some stranger just hangin around lookin wierd....gtfo
is it a public park? yeah
but will I have that shit around children? nope
and if I see someone tryin to prey on one of those kids....
with drugs, sex, ANYTHING.....
I got half a dozen Louisville Sluggers in my equipment bag,
and I will try to dent every one of them over that fucker's head
I'm of the opinion that you have to take a stand as far as you're capable
even if that means meeting stupidity or malicious intent with violence
here is the flaw, not Nikki's post,Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
(which happens to be the opinion of a concerned mother).....
....some of these guys/gals get released back into the community
no, they willl never be able to hold a teaching job (thank God),
or even to volunteer in childrens' after school/extra curricular activities,
as nationwide checks are ran even to coach Little League baseball
but...
they end up moving back into the average neighborhood,
next to the average family with the avreage 2.4 kids
and a mom & dad who both work, with some teeny bopper nanny, who,
talks on the phone with her b/f rather than sit the kids
if mom & dad dont know about Joe Neighbor's history....
well....you fill in the blanks....but I think Nik already filled them in.....
as for the first time offenders, the people in positions of trust,
meh.....I'll get into that later...
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Originally Posted by FKDUP74
So you kick people out off the park. May I ask on whose authority do you do this? Would it not be better to use your mobile phone and call the poklice if someone is acting suspiciously. Instead of hunting them away to some other park or street where kids play.
If you act the way you say you act you are not setting a very good example to the kids that you are supposed to be teaching.
On a Saturday morning I used to walk across the parks, about 2 miles, to the shops. I am an old man 66. I used to stop halfway and watch the boys playing football(Soccer). I would watch for about half an hopur then carry on to the shops. I always considered that boys soccer was the best and most natural game before the 'trainers' got them.
About 8 years ago I stopped watching the soccer and now just walk on past. The reason? I was frightened of people like you. Not frightened of you in particular, I would have personally shoved your bats where they belong. But frightened of what I said earlier. Even wrong accusations stick.
Just in case you are wondering
Yes I am married and have children
I am an ex policeman and ex college lecturer.
P.S. May I add that I would be more worried about the my kids coach than any spectator.
I can't help your judicial system but that isn't the case with ours, did you misunderstand the bit where I said that there are measures in place to preclude convicted pedophiles from contact with children. What I mean was that ... they're not allowed anywhere near kids else they'll end up back in prison :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by FKDUP74
There are enough people in the know, as it were, who will report the slightest indescretion to the police. This doesn't preclude family barbeques nor baby-sitting, funnily enough.
As for kicking people out of public parks for looking a bit weird. Brian, you're just a bully. Odd looking folk have rights too. I'd probably pull my son out of that team in favour of one where the coach didn't teach intimidation as well as basketball.
Well said, Boab.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
You should carry on watching the soccer if that's what you like to do. I often stop in the park and do the same if I'm not playing, be it mens/boys soccer or rugby. Mostly watching the kids is better because of their enthusiasm and love of playing, half the blokes on my team are only in it for the after match drink (including me if it's muddy :unsure:).
I notice lots of elderly gentlemen watching, particularly if the weather is nice. Any thoughts of something more sinister has never entered my head - and won't do of most normal thinking folk. Personally I'd smile while saying 'Fuck off, twat' if anyone asked me to leave a public park but I do understand that mud sticks.
It's a shame :(
I have nothing more to add...apart from:
http://moderation.invisionzone.com/s...basketball.gif
who's authority? mine, and mine alone :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
if the "real" authorities are bothered by this...
well then, they can get off their asses and patrol the city like they are supposed to ;)
as I have posted before, and every post of mine regarding this matter seems to indicate,
I get pissed when thinking of people trying to harm kids,
and until a better way is proposed, I'll protect them my way
is it perfect? not by any means
is it wrong? show me a better way
you can discuss, debate, argue, whatever, but sometimes you have to actually do something
it's not always wrong to fight for your beliefs ;)
not alwyas right, or even the best way, but not always wrong either
city hall, the police dept., etc? they are not the current answer, sorry
they corrupt themselves with the power given them,
and see no further than the means by which they can gain more
we've had 2 or 3 mayors in a row kicked out for corruption,
and I see no change in the immediate, or even near, future
same with the chief of police
so are those the people we are supposed to turn to? shit :lol:
why does it always have to descend into long boring posts that don't go anywhere?
i was just scanning through and saw some stuff about parks, then this.Quote:
Originally Posted by fkdup
so you kick people off parks because you don't like the look of them?
Just thought I would say that the concept of a paedophile "reforming" strikes me as preposterous. They may stop acting out on their urge to abuse children, but surely they would still have them (short of some sort of chemical / surgical way to remove them).
If we work on that basis, then they will always present a danger. No matter how well they control themselves the urge will still be there.
That's different from a thief, bully or whatever who can realize what they are doing is wrong and stop doing it. Even if the paedophile thinks their actions are wrong they will still have those urges.
I also agree with Nikki, having decided to commit such acts they have removed their right to privacy. Or at the very least seriously diminished it.
well I guess I should have counted on you of all poeple to blow it out of context :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by GepperRankins
boab's post I saw merely as debate...you on the other hand....well.... :P
@boab - I only remove those that pose a problem, threat, etc.
spectators are part of baseball.....paedos, drug pushers, etc are not
The point is, who elected you judge, jury and executioner.Quote:
Originally Posted by FKDUP74
That, my friend is vigilantism. Perhaps only in a small way, just now, but that's what it is.
If the person is about to commit an act, then it is proper to act yourself. If however it is because you don't like the look of them, or assume what they are going to do something then you have no right to molest them.
If someone is acting suspiciously call the Police.
read above regarding the integrity of our police force/city officials :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Only if it's reported. If we don't know who we're reporting, then the guy in the park and letting the kids throw the ball for his dog, may just seem like a nice man who likes kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
The sad fact is that they are not monitored 24/7. They are tracked only as far as jobs they may take, having to report in to counselling, and having to report in to the police/respective law enforcement agencies at specific times. As far as their social life, and free time, they are not tailed by police and they are not required to wear tracking devices (not here at least). The authorities cannot know where they are at all times.
If someone is sex offender, I don't want them at that barbeque or baby-sitting my child, even if they don't commit some indiscretion. I don't care if they will re-offend. I don't want them anywhere near my children, or my friend's children, or my neices and nephews, or my godsons. If I know that they are a paedophile, at least I can prevent this from happening with them.Quote:
There are enough people in the know, as it were, who will report the slightest indescretion to the police. This doesn't preclude family barbeques nor baby-sitting, funnily enough.
I realize that there are those who have not been reported, who have never been to jail, and who will or have committed sexual offences. I also realize that there is no way for me to identify those people, and that there could be a risk in anyone my child comes into contact with. What I'm saying is that by knowing about those who are registered, at least that risk is reduced.
Yes, their rights will be severely diminished. Being tracked by authorities for the rest of their lives is fair, so is having to report for regular counciling sessions and being subject to interrogation about their lifestyles by trained police officers each month.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
As to the reformation, of course they cannot stop feeling sexually attracted to children, one presumes. I say that because I get this urge to sexc0r most women I see, no amount of rehabilitation could get me to think differently. I don't act upon these urges tho', not only because missus manker would be most upset but because some of these women may object.
Since in our society it is inevitable that some paedophiles will get released from incarceration, would it not be better to instill a sense of self discipline into these folk, keeping stringent tabs upon while still affording them some freedom - ie. keeping them in the system - rather than risking sending them into hiding, because of some superfluous list, with like-minded people and so become a far greater risk to children.
Honestly, I don't know what's for the best regarding reformation. I would prefer very long prison sentences, tho' maybe not indefinite ones for some cases. What I do know is that a list will help no-one except criminals - it could even lead to a false sense of security in some areas where no convicted paedophiles were located. I can't see how I could take care of my son more than I already do. A list would make no difference my vigilance.
However, I'm a new dad. Perhaps I'm missing something.
I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by FKDUP74
So, that does not give you the right to molest people.
You are merely proving the point of those who oppose publishing lists on the basis of vigilante behaviour.
Of course, I can see what you're saying. Tagging them is as excellent idea and happens over here, tho' not in all cases and not forever. I will say that it's not only the police who have access to the sex-offender's register, it's also teachers, youth workers, doctors, sports group organisers and other groups. I can see how you wish to personally have this control over some local paedophiles coming into contact with your children rather than entrust this soley to the authorities and the paedophile him/herself but my point is that the fact that everyone knows is also a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikkiD
I don't care that much if a paedophile gets beaten up. I do care if an innocent person gets dubbed a paedophile because they look a bit like someone on the list or have the same name or live in a certain house. I want these paedophiles to be in full view of the police rather than get driven into hiding precisely because of a list making everyone aware of them because that way they're less of a danger.
You say that seeing the list reduces the risk but I say it increases the risk because more of them will disappear from public view. This increases the number of local paedophiles who aren't being monitored in any way. A report I read yesterday stated that after Megan's Law was implemented that out of a group of 300, only 80 paedophiles still resided where they were supposed to be at.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there are other factors that maybe you've not considered.
Wtf is mature name calling? I have no wish to be British "prim and propa" with name calling (I am a little more colorful than that) and in almost all cases it is in response to you and others bullshit name calling.Quote:
Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420
So if I tell you to suck dick I say it because by your posts you seem like a dick sucker, not because you say it has a homosexual subtext. :mellow:
Mmmk
Well I don't think soccer is. It's just boring until there is finally a goal scored.Quote:
Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420
(especially the PSV/Milan game).
I think it's great for a miniscule Sportscenter highlight. :)
[off-topic]it's kind of ironic. that if you do act like this, your children protect you from the unsavoury ones. because if you came on the park shouting at me for no reason, waving a rounders bat i'd kick the shit out of you, but not in front of your children.[/off-topic]Quote:
Originally Posted by FKDUP74
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Originally Posted by manker
It's one of these things where I cannot disagree with one thing you say. I understand your arguments and even agree with some, but I just come to a different conclusion.
For me, I just want as much information as possible and I feel that I have a right to know where these people are.
We can agree to disagree on the main yes / no issue.
Its nice to see someModerationHarmony in debates. :rolleyes:
One can be civilized whilst disagreeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
I'm sure you agree bawbag.
Bawbag? Haven't seen one in a while. :lol: I dont like mirrors. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Sorry, I did a spellcheck and just let it automatically replace words.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
The original was "I'm sure you agree bigboab"
trust me son, if you were fuckin with my kids, team or family,Quote:
Originally Posted by GepperRankins
you wouldn't get the chance ;)
Wow. I hope you take this in the "if you can't handle a little criticism"* sort of way but...you sound like quite a disturbed and violent person.Quote:
Originally Posted by FKDUP74
*I quoted you there.
or even if we weren't?Quote:
Originally Posted by FKDUP74
seriously, i'd love to see you try this round here. you'd be out cold before you could get your gun because your rounders bat was laughed at.
I doubt though that you kick folks out of a park. Hell anyone can watch a game. When you said this you gave some here an opening for them to focus on when I think you just made an off (proofread by JP) remark.Quote:
Originally Posted by FKDUP74
What's an oft remark.
oft = ???
Office of Fair Trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Out for tea. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Thank you my spell checker. :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
I meant off
Then I agree, his remark was most certainly off.
Very much so.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
I understand his concerns though.
Do you mean that if you look weird then your a paedophiles. :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
if you're american you're paranoid and dangerousQuote:
Originally Posted by enoughfakefiles