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No it's movement. That was explained by Locke near the end of season 1 when the monster was revealed to the audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
All the stuff on the recap was old. Michael talking to Walt on the computer was on the last episode before the break. The different angles of the crash is on the DVD of season 1.
How would Locke know.
Actually I don't think anything is set in stone on this issue. It could be fear or it could be movement, I'll wait until there is a more definite answer. Using Locke as an argument for movement is flawed because he is just a character in the show, he might think it is movement but he doesn't know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
I'm not to keen on the fear theory either to be honest. The attack on the pilot in the pilot (heh) doesn't seem to fit with this. Personally I hope there is more to the "monster" than just sensing movement or fear and attacking it.
Dude it was put in practice in the episode I referred to.:ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheese
Can you explain exactly when this happened so I can watch that part of the episode again to see what you mean? I've spoilered a transcript of the monster part of that episode below if that helps:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Spoiler: Show(Jack and Kate both reach the bottom of the hillside. Jack looks around. They
hear a scuttling, rattling noise getting louder. Jack turns and through the
greenery, he sees a wisp of black smoke zoom quickly across the clearing and
quickly vanishing into the trees on the right.)
(The scuttling, rattling noise disappears as well. Jack turns and looks at the
clearing. Did she see it? He turns and looks questioningly at Kate.)
KATE: Yeah, I saw it.
(Behind them, Locke and Hurley have both reached the bottom.)
KATE: We got to get out of here.
(Kate and Jack both quickly turn and hurry. Hurley jumps down onto the path and
quickly follows them.)
(Next, we hear the familiar fluttering of wings and screeching sounds that often
precede the creature.)
(Jack and Kate both stop and turn to look back.)
(And then ... silence.)
(beat)
(Suddenly out of nowhere, the trees directly in front of Locke are uprooted as
if something forceful rams into it - the tree trunks go flying upon impact.)
(The creature roars.)
(Not waiting to find out what it is, Kate and Hurley turn and run.)
(Jack carefully removes his backpack, his eyes on the 'invisible' thing
uprooting the trees upon impact - a blur of black, tree, motion and dirt. Jack
puts his backpack down and quickly follows Kate and Hurley.)
(Locke remains where he is, his eyes wide and on the thing in front of him.)
(We hear the familiar creature sounds.)
(Locke removes his backpack.)
(The creature growls.)
(We hear the creature take a step forward. Locke puts his backpack down on the
ground and heads toward the creature. We hear low rumbling and the other sounds
usually associated with the island monster.)
(Kate, Hurley and Jack are running away from the creature.)
(Jack stops and turns around to check on Locke. We hear the creature stomping
sounds. Jack sees Locke walking toward the creature.)
JACK: (shouts) Locke, what are you doing?!
(The creature sounds continue. Jack hesitates; his instinct is to run. He
looks back at Kate and Hurley. Instead, he runs after Locke.)
(The creature sounds continue - stomping, growling, low-rumbling.)
(Locke peers out from behind one of the trees.)
(We hear the creature screeching and thumping. The low-rumbling sound and
stomping continues.)
(Locke steps closer, looking around for a visual sign of the creature.)
(We hear the creature stomp and screech. Locke steps out from the trees.)
(Jack heads back, looking for Locke.)
JACK: (shouts) Locke!
(Locke remains silent as he steps closer toward the creature sounds. We hear
the low-rumbling and breathing sounds.)
(Locke looks around and doesn't see anything.)
(Suddenly, the tree right next to Locke is pulled out by its roots, sending
Locke backward to the ground. Locke covers his eyes with his arms.)
(Jack sees Locke in trouble.)
JACK: (shouts) Locke!
[CREATURE POV]
(Locke slowly puts his arms away from his face. The creature zooms up to Locke
and roars. Locke looks directly at the creature, perhaps hoping to see the same
thing he saw before.)
(Camera holds on Locke's look of sheer terror.)
FADE OUT.
(The creature's roar echoes.)
(COMMERCIAL SET)
FADE IN.
[EXT. THE DARK TERRITORY - JUNGLE -- DAY]
(CU: LOCKE)
(Locke looks terrified. The creature roars. Locke turns and rolls out of the
way.)
(Suddenly, he's running ... away from it as fast as he can. The creature roars.
Locke glances back at it over his shoulder.)
(Locke runs into the clearing.)
(Jack sees Locke and heads over to him. The creature growls.)
JACK: Locke!
(Jack looks for Locke.)
JACK: Locke!
[KATE AND HURLEY]
(Meanwhile, Kate and Hurley are running away from the creature. Kate stops and
looks back, expecting to see Jack, but finds that he's not there.)
KATE: Jack?
(The creature shrieks.)
KATE: Jack!
(Kate turns and heads back to find Jack.)
[LOCKE AND JACK]
(Locke runs frantically away from the creature. We hear the sounds of gears
clicking grow louder and louder. Locke glances back over his shoulder as he
runs.)
(Suddenly, something grabs Locke by the ankle. Locke trips and falls to the
ground, grunting on impact.)
LOCKE: Aah!
(The creature drags Locke through the dirt path. Jack runs back to Locke. He
stops and sees Locke being dragged backward by something wrapped long, thin and
black - a blur that moves quickly as it pulls Locke toward it.)
JACK: Locke!
(The gears continue to click. Jack runs after Locke, who is helpless as he's
being dragged backward through the dirt path by some unseen force.)
LOCKE: Aah! Ah!
(The gear-clicking sounds get louder and louder. Jack runs as fast as he can to
catch up with Locke. He jumps and dives at Locke - the thing is now pulling
both Jack and Locke down the path, its strength unhindered by the weight of both
men.)
(The gear-clicking sounds continue.)
(Suddenly, the ground under them gives way. The thing is pulling Locke down
into the hole. Jack braces his legs on both sides of the hole, his double-armed
grip on Locke secure.)
(We hear the creature's low growl and stomping in the background. Whatever has
a hold on Locke hasn't let him go. It takes all of Jack's strength to keep
Locke's head above the ground.)
(In the background, Kate arrives. She looks at them.)
KATE: Oh, my God.
JACK: (to Kate) I need the dynamite.
(Kate sits down and starts removing her backpack.)
JACK: No, no! It's in my pack.
(Kate glares at Jack, but now isn't the time.)
JACK: (shouts) Just go get it! Hurry! Go!
(Kate gets up and runs to get Jack's backpack.)
JACK: (panting, gasping) All right, John. (panting) John.
(The creature under Locke growls. He looks down. It takes all of Jack's
strength just to keep a hold on Locke ... and Locke isn't helping.)
JACK: John.
LOCKE: Just let me go.
(Locke lets go of his hold on Jack's arms. Now it's only Jack's hold on Locke
that's keeping Locke above the hole.)
JACK: What?
LOCKE: I'll be all right.
(Jack struggles to keep a hold on Locke.)
JACK: No! Dammit!
LOCKE: Let me go. I'll be all right.
(Jack shakes his head. Kate returns with the backpack.)
KATE: Okay, I got it. I got it.
(She puts the backpack down.)
JACK: Be careful unwrapping it.
(She opens the backpack and takes out a stick of dynamite.)
KATE: All right.
JACK: Now, throw it in.
(We hear a hissing sound.)
LOCKE: No!
KATE: It'll blow us up!
JACK: Just do it! Hurry! I can't hold him.
LOCKE: Don't do this, Kate.
JACK: Throw it in! (shouts) Now, Kate!
(Kate grunts and throws the dynamite into the hole. Locke and Jack turn their
heads and shut their eyes as they wait for the explosion. Kate covers her head
with her arms.)
(The creature stomps.)
(The dynamite explodes.)
(We hear the sound of the creature roar.)
(A cloud of black smoke rises out of the hole. It appears to dissipate
outward.)
(Jack watches with disbelief as he sees the black smoke suddenly turn and zoom
away. The creature's roar echoes. We hear the lingering sounds of wings
fluttering.)
Most theories I've read elsewhere seem to think it is a fear or faith thing so it would be interesting to see if you have any explicit proof that it is in fact something as mundane as movement that attracts the creature.
Man, you went searchin' for a transcript? :dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheese
I just remember that Locke told somebody to keep still is all and the monster went do feck all.
I think Rousseau and the fuck who got blown up were in the mix too.
Your transcript doesn't fit what I'm thinking about.
Spoiler: ShowAlso why the fuck did Eko and Charlie say "Shadow of the valley of death"?
Funny the monster shows dead images.
If by "Searchin'" you mean I clicked on my Bookmarks then yes. As I download all my stuff subtitles are not usually an option, so if I can't make out what is being said I can look at the transcripts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Here is the bit you mean:
Spoiler: Show[EXT. JUNGLE -- THE DARK TERRITORY -- DAY]
(It's raining. Danielle continues to lead the group into the forest. She moves
quickly and efficiently. Thunder rumbles.)
(Suddenly, they all hear an unnatural staccato sound. Everyone stops and turns
around. The sounds get louder.)
(Danielle steps forward to listen.)
KATE: Did you hear that?
(The rhythmic sounds continue to get louder. Everyone stops and looks at the
foliage in front of them.)
(Then, they see him - Arzt - running back to the small group, his loud rhythmic
gasping for breath hindered only by his panic.)
(He sees them.)
LESLIE ARZT: (shouts) Run!
(The group stares at him. Locke, Hurley and Jack watch Arzt scream to them.)
LESLIE ARZT: (shouts) Run! Run! Run!
(Then they hear it. The roaring sound of the massive creature on the island.)
(Arzt bolts to the side.)
FADE OUT.
(The roar continues to echo.)
(COMMERCIAL SET)
FADE IN.
[EXT. JUNGLE -- THE DARK TERRITORY -- DAY]
(Arzt bolts to the right.)
LESLIE ARZT: (shouts) Run!
(The creature roars. The group runs. All except Locke and Hurley.)
HURLEY: What are you -
LOCKE: Just be still.
(Locke holds out a hand for Hurley to stand still. Locke stares out at the
shrubbery in front of them.)
(The creature growls and exhales. We hear the loud stomp of something massive
hitting the ground.)
(Hurley turns and looks at the trees in front of them.)
(We hear the creature take another step.)
[ARZT & GROUP]
(Arzt continues to run. Kate follows him. Jack is not far behind. Echoes of
the creature's roar and sounds of the creature walking and moving are heard.)
(Jack turns to follow Kate, but Danielle is hiding in the trees.)
DANIELLE ROUSSEAU: Here.
(Jack hears Danielle. He grabs Kate and pulls her back, guiding her toward
Danielle.)
DANIELLE ROUSSEAU: In here.
(Kate and Jack join Danielle in the shelter of the trees. Sounds of the
creature growling are heard. The creature takes another loud step. Jack turns
and looks hard in the trees for signs of the creature.)
[HURLEY & LOCKE]
(The creature takes another step.)
(Hurley and Locke haven't moved from their spot.)
HURLEY: Dude, we got to book.
(The creature takes another step. Locke hears something.)
LOCKE: Wait.
(The stomping sounds are getting softer with distance.)
LOCKE: It's headed the other way.
(We hear the fading echoing sounds of a distant roar and the creature steps as
it moves away.)
(Locke relaxes and walks away from Hurley.)
(After a beat, Hurley follows Locke.)
[DANIELLE, JACK AND KATE]
(Danielle takes her rifle off her shoulder and holds it in her hands as she
looks up. They don't hear the creature sounds anymore. Jack continues to look
out at the jungle around them.)
DANIELLE ROUSSEAU: We're safe now.
KATE: (scared) What was that thing?
DANIELLE ROUSSEAU: It's a security system.
JACK: Security system. What does that mean?
(Danielle puts her gear back on.)
DANIELLE ROUSSEAU: Its purpose is that of any security system's -- to protect
something.
KATE: Protect what?
DANIELLE ROUSSEAU: The island.
(And with that cryptic remark, she heads out of the protection of the trees.)
(Kate and Jack share a confused look.)
(Kate follows Danielle out of the trees.)
[EXT. JUNGLE -- THE DARK TERRITORY - DAY -- CONTINUOUS]
(Locke and Hurley step out into the main clearing. They are joined by Danielle,
Jack and Kate.)
HURLEY: Uh, where's Arnzt?
(Arzt steps out from the bushes.)
LESLIE ARZT: That's Arzt, you idiot.
HURLEY: Dude, I thought you were dead.
LESLIE ARZT: Can we just please go get the dynamite, please?
Personally, I think the jury is still out on this one. I think we'll need a few more encounters with the "security system" until we know what attracts/motivates it for sure. The movement thing just makes me think of Jurrassic Park :dabs:
I'm starting to think the smoke and the computer are linked. That minutes b4 the numbers are entered the smoke is free to roam the island and perhaps read the minds of the ppl to find out what makes them venerable, so later it can use thier fears against them. It showed all the ppl that died in Eko's life.
Also I think the 3rd hatch is in the ocean, like the cable synaid found lead to the jungle and to the ocean. That would expalin why walt is always wet when we see him. Plus you noticed the tailies found the other hatch, but it was nothing like the ones in the front found. Perhaps that wasnt a hatch, but an entrance to the hatch in the ocean.
What are your theories as to the "the Others" who are they?
I think that they are realated somehow to the old cutter ship, the first ppl to get lost on the island.
Michael is going for Walt next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by hippychick
Yea I know, it looks exciting.Quote:
Michael is going for Walt next week.
I'm kindof thinking Michale might be losing it though. Unless he was fast on hitting keys on the keyboard, there was nothing on the screen when Jack looked at it.
It seems they clear up some mystries to create new, thats what makes the show so good. :D