Are torrent invite communities really trading in disguise?

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Originally Posted by bysomebodydumb

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Originally Posted by bysomebodyevendumber

Everyone missed one important one



GRANDMA'S BOY!!!!

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4th post in, bro. =P

I scanned over this thread, and a lot of the classics that I would recommend have already been mentioned (Super Troopers, Lebowski, Dumb & Dumber, etc.), but I didn't happen to notice anyone suggesting these two epics:

Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Dazed & Confused

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Under recommend a good comedy movie

Seriously see the level that I have to deal with.
You can say that SuperTroopers is a good movie ,you can even say that Dumb and Dumber is the second coming of Christ for all I care, but please never refer to them as classics.

And saying that Gramdma's Boy is good or even a movie is just ...wrong.

Btw also listed A Night at the Roxbury, Undercover Brother,Kung Pao: Enter the Fist,Starsky and Hutch , The White Chicks and the list goes on.
If you changed the list to terrible ,failed , miserable attempts at a comedy movie then they would be right.

Someone even put Lethal Weapon:blink: I know that it's open to interpretation but I don't think amid the whole unhinged suicidal cop , murdering, drug dealing mercenaries torture and death thing a comedy was what director Richard Donner was especially going for.
Lots of films have moments of humour in them ,it doesn't make them comedies .

Just saying if membership in trackers was restricted by an appreciation of what you were downloading most people would be using Mininova.

Most of members, while sharing invites, probably look and judge by reputation points. And it can be "wrong". On the other side, if giving away invites here is risk, than one can say that one is worth giving away invite because he/she also "took that risk" (if ones has that "reputation points".

I am just making one giveaway and there will be no "rules", just my personal instinct and perception.

Why am I sharing those invites? I guess it is because, when I registered here few years ago, I was only on Demonoid constantly fighting with low speeds and lack of seeders. I don't like that feeling/situation.

I can lose those accounts, yes, but once before someone else took that risk and invited me. And I am know enjoying privileges of being member at some of the best trackers on the web.

Also, people need to learn to trust more to each other. Constant hatred, suspicion and accusing is leading nowhere.

P.S. Sorry for my english, it isn't my main language.

And from where should that trust come?

I have seen countless posts on BG/UG power user forums, where a long standing and reputable member of the site has been disabled from what/waffles for inviting a cheater. Mind you, they were inviting users that were also power/elite on BG/UG. Some of these members, who have been using what/waffles since the beginning, were disabled for "trusting" the supposed "power users" of a forum. And once your disabled at one of those sites, there is really no alternative. Other music trackers simply can't match their content. When a old user is disabled like that, how do you fit "trust" into your mind?

Trust comes from your instinct for sure

When you invited someone you can always get disabled or even bring a bad apple in a site you really enjoy. Even if he is a real life friend or your brother (there are a few topics around :P).
The same can happen to staff there are a few rumors today

Don't forget we are talking about a hobby.

I think you're looking too much into this.
These are torrent sites... basically meaningless in the world of usenet combined with megaupload.

Building rep is not trading... that's like saying giving someone a birthday gift is bribing them to still remain/become your friend.

As for trust... in this world of illegal downloading you're sure to find lots of shady people. This is the new Wild West.

it seems to me its alot like breaking into any kind of entertainment industry. you have to have experience to get gigs but to get experience you have to do gigs.
i completely understand the admins of these sites points of view as far as their dislike of public giveaways but in the real world im not used to anything for free. everything seems to have a cost. trading invites to me seemed just a logical means of obtaining whatever access you needed. you have something i want and i have something you want.

basically giving invites to build rep just so you can get invites is the exact same as trading, you are taking a much bigger risk but it seems more socially acceptable. its ok to get drunk but dont smoke weed. if you dont think that building rep is the same as trading then would you be so eager to give those invites out if the rep system didnt exist?

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Originally Posted by WhatMan

You are absolutely 100% correct. The worst example I've seen of this is on a site called TTInvite, where invites are exchanged for 'invite points', and any user 'giving away' an invite can stipulate the number of invite points they want to receive in return. This basically means that trading is similar to a bartering-based economy, and invite giveaway communities are currency-based economies.

Then, the invite communities act all righteous and claim that "we're not causing any harm, we ban trades, we only do giveaways!"

The thing is, tracker staff who've given the issue some thought don't dislike trades any more than giveaways. Both of them are equally bad in our eyes, because both of them fundamentally undermine the reasons the torrent sites are invite only in the first place.

Torrent sites are invite-only because the admins need to keep the site secure and keep the economy working. Once random people start getting invited in, no matter if it's a trade or a giveaway, both of those pillars start collapsing. This is why the so-called 'anti-traders' who think they're all cool because they only give away invites really get to me.

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they post announcement.i think what.cd hates ttinvite.but this forum is responsible for what.cd.they banned what.cd invte give away from ttinvite:whistling:whistling:whistling:whistling

in news section they make post -what-cd-invites-forbidden

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Originally Posted by WhatMan

You are absolutely 100% correct. The worst example I've seen of this is on a site called TTInvite, where invites are exchanged for 'invite points', and any user 'giving away' an invite can stipulate the number of invite points they want to receive in return. This basically means that trading is similar to a bartering-based economy, and invite giveaway communities are currency-based economies.

Then, the invite communities act all righteous and claim that "we're not causing any harm, we ban trades, we only do giveaways!"

The thing is, tracker staff who've given the issue some thought don't dislike trades any more than giveaways. Both of them are equally bad in our eyes, because both of them fundamentally undermine the reasons the torrent sites are invite only in the first place.

Torrent sites are invite-only because the admins need to keep the site secure and keep the economy working. Once random people start getting invited in, no matter if it's a trade or a giveaway, both of those pillars start collapsing. This is why the so-called 'anti-traders' who think they're all cool because they only give away invites really get to me.

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i think u hate TTinvite. but i think TTinvite is great community and TTinvite not trade anything like account or invite.

and u know whatcd is forbidden in TTinvite. TTinvite follow tracker rules.

TTinvite never break any Tracker Rules. :P

Keep it simple Do not ask for invite .... nor make a give away let staff recruit members from different forums ... no one gets disabled for inviting bad users.

ooh fancy thread...well if people don't want invites given thru trades and dislike giveaways as well...then how the heck are people supposed to get into new sites?

i dunno anyone irl who uses torrents...so does that mean I shouldn't be on any tracker anywhere? well I don't trade, my ratio's are fine (mostly anyways lol)...I'm fairly well known (in a good manner) on the sites I care about and so on and so forth...in short, I think I'm a fairly decent user/member who makes for a good person to be on torrent trackers...so just 'coz I know of nobody who uses torrents, it means I don't deserve to get in either?

can't say I agree there