Torrenting - Is the end getting closer ?

I'm not going to read this whole thread but i will say imo there's no way the end is near for torrenting. BT will just continue to evolve and move in interesting directions. I predict we will get at least one or two great new trackers this year. People say its too hard for new trackers to succeed. Yeah if they offer nothing new and the people running them have no idea what they are doing.

There are still a few cool niches left if the people building these new trackers know what they are doing and are creative enough to really think outside the box. If you think you've seen all the innovations trackers have to offer, just wait and sometime this year you may be shocked ;)

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Originally Posted by Tokeman

I've personally never paid for a seedbox, or donated to a tracker. Newsgroups also have retention, meaning after a period of time, guess what, no file, so the problem does exist on newsgroups. I dont even want to get into rapidshare and their limits. Torrents exist as long as there are seeders, and there are plenty of files over a year old at most my trackers, many still well seeded.

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Judging from threads like this:

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-new...tations-390273

It's becoming clear that retention, at least for most of the major providers, is becoming more or less irrelevant when considering providers due to the fact that the potential storage available is growing faster than what's being uploaded to usenet.

Even if retention is a factor for your provider, within the 300-400 day span of retention a file is easily uploaded multiple times to usenet. I've yet to a see a file that I've searched for that has only been uploaded one time. Because of that, there are many older files available on usenet that due to being 2,3,4 or even more years old, would download at a crawl on BT sites due to the very small amount of seeders still remaining on the file, while you can download the file from your provider at your maximum connection speed. In that regard, I feel like BT's "retention" (if you can call it that) is actually worse than that of newsgroups.

Then again, one of the most obvious things BT has going for it, unless you're a seedbox whore paying an exorbitant fee to create a buffer, is the fact that it's free, meaning that other, more expensive methods of filesharing won't be overtaking it anytime soon.

My post wasn't meant to create a war between NG and BT.
It's pretty clear to everybody that newsgroups are a superior form of filesharing than BT, for many reasons pointed out at this thread.
BT is no longer the community/protocol I knew. And I explained why, the economics behind it destroyed its original feeling.
I can tell you for example that the first tracker ever in my country was a spin off created by many people who were at a newsgroups related forum, and who decided to create a tracker just for fun, as a community. It became huge with time, and then came the economics I talked about. Conclusion: it closed.

If bt will die or not, I hope so, only if this means a new, easily reachable by the masses and superior protocol is meanwhile created. We all want evolution. Until then it will struggle with its problems, like all other protocols had in the past.

This is positive. Innovation is what makes the world go around.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

If bt will die or not, I hope so, only if this means a new, easily reachable by the masses and superior protocol is meanwhile created. We all want evolution. Until then it will struggle with its problems, like all other protocols had in the past.

This is positive. Innovation is what makes the world go around.

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But if BT died we would lose trackers like HDbits, musicvids, blackcats, KG, TT, BTmusic, DB9, and Norbits(dvdr's). Those are just some examples of specialty trackers that offer amazing content. Could you find most of their content on usenet?

And what about the forums at trackers like FSC, potuk, ftn, and E. If you look past the bad apples there are some tight knit communities to join in on. IDK if usenet offers the same sense of community. Maybe it does but i havent seen many usenet forums.

And what about the people who cant afford usenet, or arent even old enough to get a credit card to order it. i have met many people cant even afford rapidshare and thats only like 10 bucks a month.

Its good to have options. As an example, I like to use some trackers for some things. For other things, I use rapidshare or megaupload or emule. They all have their advantages and disadvantages, and if i lost one of them there would be a big void.

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Originally Posted by gamesover

But if BT died we would lose trackers like HDbits, musicvids, blackcats, KG, TT, BTmusic, DB9, and Norbits(dvdr's). Those are just some examples of specialty trackers that offer amazing content. Could you find most of their content on usenet?

And what about the forums at trackers like FSC, potuk, ftn, and E. If you look past the bad apples there are some tight knit communities to join in on. IDK if usenet offers the same sense of community. Maybe it does but i havent seen many usenet forums.

And what about the people who cant afford usenet, or arent even old enough to get a credit card to order it. i have met many people cant even afford rapidshare and thats only like 10 bucks a month.

Its good to have options. As an example, I like to use some trackers for some things. For other things, I use rapidshare or megaupload or emule. They all have their advantages and disadvantages, and if i lost one of them there would be a big void.

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Those groups exclusively releasing their releases on HDBits (IDK if they're still doing that, it's been months) would be bringing their content to the masses through other viable ways. If I'm not wrong, musicvids/TT also has mostly scene content too. Most people at Pedro's also usually upload music from the 20th century only.

Those "tightly-knit" communities that you speak of would be faux if they couldn't gather everybody to an IRC chan or something.

I can tell you in one look that 2 of the trackers you consider them to be "tightly-knit" has actually less than a handful of new posts everyday in their general chat threads.

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Originally Posted by Lovestoned

If I'm not wrong, musicvids/TT also has mostly scene content too.

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True for TT, but MV have mostly non-scene content. I guess MV is one of very few trackers that can't be replaced, or would need too much time to get even close to it.

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Originally Posted by pretend

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Originally Posted by Lovestoned

If I'm not wrong, musicvids/TT also has mostly scene content too.

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True for TT, but MV have mostly non-scene content. I guess MV is one of very few trackers that can't be replaced, or would need too much time to get even close to it.

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Really? But could you kindly take a look at whether people are snatching the scene content more or the non-scene? I can tell you most of them are just there for the e-penis, seeing that not many are actually interested in music videos.

I'm not going to advocate other members needs, I'm downloading non-scene. VOB selection is much bigger than scene there.
My point is, MV torrent quantity and exclusivity is too hard to substitute, I thought it's pretty clear :ermm:

Pretend is correct. I made a similar cry earlier on in this thread. Some torrent trackers offer material unavailable everywhere else. HDBits and Bitme come into mind from my experience, and clearly MV fits the quota.

Asking for torrenting to end is asking for a SOURCE not a simple distribution service to end.

In my opinion its the likes of new groups and rapidshare that are not just killing BT in general but the whole pirate commuinty. Why the anti-pirates groups aint going after these sites is beyond me. These are the true pay to leech sites, not BT trackers. I havent been to any BT site that has forced me to pay for something, yeah sure you get some that send you a PM about a donation every 5 mins but you dont have to donate. True I do donate to some sites, not just money but time and also my high bandwidth to help keeps torrents running at full speed.
Long live the private trackers I say. There are some great sites out there with great communities, hell there is some sites I have never even downloaded from but still go there just for the great fun that goes on.