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When watching the movie in the cinema I just about got a grip of the speech, and only just kept up but in writing it goes to many more levels, saved on my desktop, thanks and great job at maintaining your thread.
Nice to see someone post new information rather than multiple bumps. :)
Thanks unreal dude. That matrix explanation posted by u made for great reading.
I have always loved the matrix movies and ur explanation helped to clear some of my own questions!!!
Let those who keep whining about the sequels not being as great as the original movie keep doing it!!!
Long Live THE MATRIX TRILOGY!!
it's easy to dismiss criticism as whining, just because you don't agree with it. it's not a very healthy way of dealing with people, you know.Quote:
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@8 March 2004 - 23:36
Let those who keep whining about the sequels not being as great as the original movie keep doing it!!!
"well, i don't like ______, because of __________."
"whiner!"
go around calling everybody a whiner in person just for disagreeing with you, and yer liable to get the taste slapped out of yer mouth.
it's easy to dismiss criticism as whining, just because you don't agree with it. it's not a very healthy way of dealing with people, you know.Quote:
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+9 March 2004 - 07:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 9 March 2004 - 07:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vish_cometrue@8 March 2004 - 23:36
Let those who keep whining about the sequels not being as great as the original movie keep doing it!!!
"well, i don't like ______, because of __________."
"whiner!"
go around calling everybody a whiner in person just for disagreeing with you, and yer liable to get the taste slapped out of yer mouth. [/b][/quote]
Isn't it interesting that us "whiners" never critisized those who like the movie. We just critisized the MOVIE.
You know you are true fanboy when..............
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I "understood" the Matrix trilogy when I first saw it and uh........still didn't like it (except the first one).
Again the fight scenes were great (except the pointless last one between Smith and Neo) but the movie was a silver wrapping with shit inside.
The first Matrix had some mystery behind it. When they explained it, it fucked it up.
This is not some made up bullshit to be on a bandwagon. What the hell for?
There are obviously many others on this "bandwagon" also.
Why?
THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE MOVIE.
It seems the only posts allowed on here were ones kissing the ass of either the thread starter, the actual "explanation" post, the Matrix Trilogy, or the Wachowski's.
Now STFU and stop critisizing someone for critisizing the movie you made....oops I'm sorry you didn't make shit.........besides a bullshit explanation.
so u wanna start all over again. Seems like your retarded brains do not seem 2 get it after all !! isn't it . Well y dont u guys stop behaving like a couples of retards !!Quote:
It seems the only posts allowed on here were ones kissing the ass of either the thread starter, the actual "explanation" post, the Matrix Trilogy, or the Wachowski's.
:lol:
it's easy to dismiss criticism as whining, just because you don't agree with it. it's not a very healthy way of dealing with people, you know.Quote:
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+9 March 2004 - 17:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 9 March 2004 - 17:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vish_cometrue@8 March 2004 - 23:36
Let those who keep whining about the sequels not being as great as the original movie keep doing it!!!
"well, i don't like ______, because of __________."
"whiner!"
go around calling everybody a whiner in person just for disagreeing with you, and yer liable to get the taste slapped out of yer mouth. [/b][/quote]
Mr Brain wotever here seems to have a major crush on princess Leia and kinda seems stuck in a time warp !! yo dude u still stuck in the 80's. Or it seems that u keep comparing every damn movie u see with the star wars (including gigli).Dude these 2 mvies are quite different frm each other(LOL how many times have i got 2 tell these retards).
Fanboyism at its peak !! "Mommy Mommy isnt Star Wars like the greatest sci-fi flick ever " LOL
Get a life man!!!
3RA1N1AC, u are a great Star Wars fan, aren't u? But sadly u r still stuck in the 70s. Don't get started on reminding every1 that Star Wars is a legendary trilogy and all that. Every1 knows Star Wars Episodes 4, 5 and 6 are great cinema. But move on.......science fiction should change with time. Anyway Star Wars was more like a 'fantasy sci-fi'. The Matrix movies are truly artistic, deeper and more thought-provoking sci-fi. Exactly the way it should be in the 21st century. Anyway we don't need concilation from a star wars lamer.
All that talk about Matrix being pointless..............atleast The Wachowskis thought of a brilliant trilogy and ended it right there. On the other hand, George Lucas continued the Star Wars series only to fill his pockets with more gold. And Episodes 1 and 2 are what u call a "shame to the original trilogy". Reloaded and Revolutions continue from where the original story left and take it to further heights.
The next time if there's nothing better u can think of atleast remember this......... criticism is different from whining and that it shows.
Hmmm
whining.
We were criticizing a movie.
You are criticizing us for not liking it.
That stinks of shit.
Agreed ;) , am on a bandwagon now?Quote:
Originally posted by vish_cometrue
And Episodes 1 and 2 are what u call a "shame to the original trilogy".
I like Star Wars but didn't like Ep. 1 and 2. Why can't I dislike and express my dislike for Reloaded and Revolutions?
Please STFU!!! :lol: :lol:
Dude plz man plz read the explanation i posted ..........so u might figure out why the machines could see neo.Quote:
Originally posted by unreal_dude+5 March 2004 - 00:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (unreal_dude @ 5 March 2004 - 00:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@4 March 2004 - 23:54
You seem to have left out the fact that:
That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.
The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.
I can't remember which movie, maybe it was in Animatrix, but the sentinels jabbed humans through and through to kill them.
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The sentinels were made to kill humans, not just hovercrafts.
Good lord your head is so far up the Matrix your common sense about the movie is gone.
So that might probably answer y .............i)That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.Quote:
Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The One" template program). That's why, at the end of Revolutions, when his body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow is how the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of Smith inside Bane's mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape of the Smith.
But the orange glow isn't the only reason to believe Neo is a machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He's a machine.", "Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.
ii)The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.
Plus one more thing ......... if u say that i m such a big fan of the matrix trilogy ............then u too probably are cuz otherwise u wudnt have bothered 2 post abt it.
Only thing is
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I m also of the opinion that most ppl dint like the 2 and 3rd part cuz they simply perceived matrix as another action movie !!
I am a fan of the Matrix....the original. Just like I'm a fan of of the original Star Wars Trilogy.
The reason I say that some of that explanation doesn't make sense is because:
Your "orange glow" rationale doesn't hold water. There NOTHING in the film that suggests that squids couldn't see humans. When the machine flushed Neo that was clear common sense. IT WAS AUTOMATED FOR ANYONE THAT WAKES UP. DUH :blink: .
They didn't flush him because they saw a machine :blink: . How did the others such as Morpheus get rescued? I'm sure when Morpheus rescued Neo after he awoke that rescued countless others the same way. Were they all machines? :lol: :lol:
I know you are fan of the movie and I won't knock that but I very easily shoot holes through all these explanations with common sense. The Wachowski's would probably look at these explanations with a :blink: .
One of the reasons this movie suffered is the same as Ep 1. Ep. 1 was encumbered with mumbo jumbo about the Trade Federation and votes of no confidence and blah, blah, blah. This does not make for good storytelling. The same goes for the Matrix. When I sat throught the Architect scene, I and almost the whole movie theater were <_< <_< <_< <_< . I actually yelled STFU!!!!
Good storytelling would have explained it through the movie as it progresses, not with a long drawn out bullshit explanation. There wasn't even any dramatic music; it wasn't a very dramatic scene. Where was the wow factor?
The movie had great fights, CGI, but watch a movie called Frailty. Hardly any special effects (or HYPE BTW) but good storytelling and easily a movie that was more memorable. ;)
I have to agree that there is little reason why the sentinels would be unable to see humans, and little evidence for this in the trilogies. Besides points at which the machines chased people (which have already been mentioned), sentinels launched an attack on Zee and Charra when they were fighting against the drilling machines and succeed in killing Charra (if I remember correctly). Also, if I remember correctly sentinels killed numerous crew members in 'The Final Flight of the Osiris'.
It should also be noted that many of these people would not have simply been identifiable due to the machiens they were carrying. If the sentinels can detect machines with which they can have no affiliation how would they do this...most likely visible light, thermal imaging, or something involving magnetism associated with electrical currents. Each of these three methods could also be used to detect humans anyway.
The 'orange glow' vision I believe is not merely a way of seeing machines in general but intelligent machines and systems associated purely with the machines governed by Deus Ex Machina (essentially anything with some connection to the source). Note that when Neo was fighting Bane/Smith he could see Bane/Smith due to their connection through the source, but that he did not see the numerous electrical and mechanical systems which lined many walls of the ship and that would have continued within the walls of the ship.
I can however possibly make some other suggestions as to why they were not attacked at this point. Firstly, the machines may have been concentrating their efforts (and perhaps CPU power) on breaking through the obstructions left by the humans and finishing off any last resistance rather than killing two people who presented little or no threat to them (as I'm sure individual sentinels appear to be of little value to the machines and at various points that APU was out of ammo, jammed, damaged or under the control of a newbie who didn't have a clue). There is of course the possibility (which I suspect is true in this case) of artistic license for a particular purpose, though I would certainly not simply write it off as a 'bullshit scene'. I certainly would not begrudge the brothers for artistic licence and think that this triology has kept it to a bare minimum (as most things are explainable) whilst still being great.
I am a major fan of the trilogy and agree that the vast majority of things within the trilogy can be explained with some thought, and it is the sheer depth and complexity of the trilogy, connections running throughout it, messages, clever references to religion and internet culture, as well as opportunities for interpretation and of course the fantastic action sequences which have made this trilogy so successful. B)
Great guide btw unreal_dude :D . I found myself agreeing with nearly everything said within it as I have come to the same conclusions. There are a few exceptions to this however.
Firstly I'm rather unsure of the whole upgrade cookie idea. I also think, as has already been suggested in this topic, that the destruction of Smith was more due to Neo providing a very direct connection to the system through which Smith's program could be channelled to return it to the source as it was no longer required than because of a burst of energy from the machines.
Great thread everyone, keep up the discussion. :)