The Lost Thread (Starts 2-2-10)

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Originally Posted by Skiz

So you didn't like it then. I thought it was the most refreshing episodes in years and their dedicating an entire episode to it shows the importance of it down the road.

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I think perhaps it was placed earlier within the season, it may have fared a little better.

It just seems that right now, we really don't need this episode. It felt incredibly out of place, and terribly dragged on while barely answering anything at all. The "answers" we got in this episode literally could have been summed up in a 5 minute flashback/recap. With only a few episodes left, I'm sure there are quite a few other things people would wish to find answered/explored.

In addition, many flaws prevented this episode from reaching what it could've been. We feel absolutely no connection to their (fake) mother, and she is enigmatic at best with no explanation for her at times, extremely odd decisions. The acting done by the children was absolutely horrible at best. And many of the scenes (especially "Jacob, you can make the rules later") felt extremely forced (as well as many of the "answers" we have been getting this season). And plot holes abound as well: Jack had mentioned that the skeletons could not have been over 50 years old, yet we learn they are the extremely old (at least pre-Richard, 200 years or so) smokey and his mother.

This episode felt out of place and unecessary, in a time where the airtime could've been used for so many more important things such as exploring the island tmeline/parallel timeline. It just feels like it was sloppily put together, and that the producers really hadn't envisioned their storyline and felt like completely winging it (Like idol had mentioned). Overall, it just wasn't a very strong episode :dabs:

AIFIOAWFJAOFJ LOST FINALE TODAY!

I literally just noticed a matter of minutes ago that the finale was going to air on Sunday rather than it's original timeslot on Tuesdays. I need my Lost fix, would've been pissed as hell if I missed it :angry:

Anyhow, what are you guys thinking of the finale? Considering all the massive hype that has led up to finale and all the questions/loose ends/miscellaneous questions/concepts it has to explain, I really can't see how it could possibly live up to the hype and satisfy the majority of its users. Perhaps we need to be more realistic and just come to the conclusion that simply not everything can be satisfactorily wrapped up in a simple 2 (1/2?) hour finale. I couldn't have said it any better than what was said in Across the Sea: Every question that's answered will simply lead to another question.

Any last minute predictions? :O

Tomorrow -> last 2 episodes :D

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Originally Posted by Rart

Any last minute predictions? :O

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It will make about as much sense as the last 5 and a half seasons and at the end I'll probably feel incredibly cheated.

Btw I watched some of the pilot again last night and besides being hit in the face with the fact how much more all those involved seemed to care back then as opposed to now, it was also somewhat disconcerting to see how much better everyone( even Hurley) looked a mere 6 years ago.
But then to quote Shakespeare "I wasted time, and now doth time waste me".

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Originally Posted by Rart

AIFIOAWFJAOFJ LOST FINALE TODAY!

I literally just noticed a matter of minutes ago that the finale was going to air on Sunday rather than it's original timeslot on Tuesdays. I need my Lost fix, would've been pissed as hell if I missed it :angry:

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I didn't know that either. :O

Just a last minute thought: Anyone think Mr. Echo is going to make a return?

I read someplace that he isn't .:(

I think I'll have to mull it over for a night before I really understand what I thought of the episode. I'll have to say though, it was...interesting. Certainly not what I expected.

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I KNEW THAT JACK COULDN'T HAVE BEEN JACOB. AJFEOWIJFOAIWE I WAS RIGHT!

Wasn't the Series Finale on tonight? So, why hasn't iit been posted on usenet already?

EDIT: Nevermind, I see it just posted.

My thoughts...

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The Island = Lost

Alternate reality = Found

so this whole thing ends with everybody being dead?

Might want to put that in spoilers until the day's up (All regions haven't aired it yet).

My response to your question :

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Yes, they're all dead. The present timeline was part one a type of purgatory. The characters were all flawed in some way or another, or what we can call Lost. The good and bad events that transpired on the island in the "present" universe helped them resolve their issues so that they can finally let go of the living world. Finally, part two of the purgatory, was the alternate loop that was created to help them find each other so they can finally move on. To where? We'll that's up to you. For me, it's a type of heaven where each character gets to enjoy their idea life.

PS: These are just my ideas. The show ended in such a fashion where you can interpret in a number of ways and be "right". It's all up what you believe. That's the beauty of the show.

Keeping true to the series the finale didn't answer any questions ,which is fine since as the producers previously commented ,what the fans really wanted to see was what became of the characters( which for the most part we did).
It also didn't really make any sense( Granted my attention wasn't always perfectly focused so I might have missed it but how'd Ben get out from under the tree? Miraculous reappearing presumed dead characters anyone .The whole pull out the rock put the rock back thing - OK arguably the light needed to be turned off to make Flocke mortal and it made more sense than the wheel contraption that got Ben off the Island so maybe I shouldn't complain).
That said and despite the fact that if you think about it very little actually took place it had a lot of emotional substance and I admit to getting pretty blubbery by the end .Actually when Vincent lay down beside Jack -a really nice "human" touch by the writers I choked back more than a couple tears.
I don't know if it was a good finale but for me at least it was a satisfying one.

Hmmm, my interpretation was that the stuff on the island actually happened and the "present time" flashes were part of the purgatory. Jack's father said when speaking about the people waiting in the church for him that. Some of them died before you and some died well after you. He also said your time on the island was the most important time of your life which leads me to believe that was supposed to be reality.

Overall I thought it was OK, I mean has any series finale of a worth while show been any good or acceptable to the masses? Not as I recall. Nothing they could do would exceed our expectations if you think about it. My issues were still too many unanswered questions out there. Like Why didn't Ben go with them? Is he hanging out in the purgatory to get to know his daughter and her mother?? What about Frank the pilot and the Asian guy who speaks to the dead? Did they not die yet in the real world?? What was clair's 2nd baby delivery all about then? Was the baby dead as well? Lots of loop holes though decent ending IMHO overall.

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Originally Posted by Detale

Like Why didn't Ben go with them? Is he hanging out in the purgatory to get to know his daughter and her mother?? What about Frank the pilot and the Asian guy who speaks to the dead? Did they not die yet in the real world?? What was clair's 2nd baby delivery all about then? Was the baby dead as well? Lots of loop holes though decent ending IMHO overall.

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Obviously some facts don't add up like the absence of certain characters at the church( Frank,Miles,Richard,Daniel,Charlotte,Danielle,Alex even Widmore - not mention Michael and Walt who at one point were central to the plot) and Jack creating a son for himself when everyone else's storyline was played out more or less as an extrapolation of their real lives.
Anyway the final group was very Jackcentric which seeing as the whole thing could be interpreted as Jack's personal ascension and given the way the series chose to go out I guess is appropriate .

I liked the tip of the hat to Ben in his remaining behind as was fitting someone who essentially was always apart and a law unto himself.

Great episode.

Horrible series finale.

The worst series finale ever made

Hardly.It had resolution at least.

Also such all encompassing statements require some reasoning .

For 5 (and more) season the show was like a puzzle. We were looking for the missing pieces, expecting answers in questions, mysteries and theories a really fascinating journey. From the others of the first season, to the time travels of the 5th there were things to discuss. And I'm sure it was not just me, even the producers were talking about these things promising answers and analyzing the theories

As mentioned last week I didn't expect a finale answering every single question. The good thing in mysteries is that each one can have a theory. I wasn't looking for the meaning of life but this "we are all good friends" ghost party was really lame. And before that there was the battle between good and evil that was even worst. In my opinion even the battle in Heroes 1st season finale was much better than this one. Not to mention the dialogues like "I saved you a bullet" after killing the ultimate evil. All these are just examples

Probably is my fault expecting an impressive mysterious finale that would make me to watch the whole six seasons again. Well the good thing is that now I don't have to watch it again, I have a lot of questions but I know the producers don't know the answers. It was a good show but I was expecting much more for finale.

Shift+Delete and a lot of free space

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Granted my attention wasn't always perfectly focused so I might have missed it but how'd Ben get out from under the tree?

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That confused me as well. Can anyone shed some light on this?

After thinking about the finale for a while, did anyone else feel like they were a little cheated by it? It just felt like a complete cop out. I always felt like the flash sideways as being an alternate timeline - the obvious choice - but a sensible choice, at the least.

But we don't get even that - we get something even worse. A "they were dead the whole time" excuse. Pretty much a super flash forward (considering that Hurley and Ben had died). It doesn't tie into the original timeline at all - why was it introduced at the beginning of season 6? What relevance did it bear to the explosion of the hydrogen bomb? Why did Juliet claim it "worked"? How does this tie in to Desmond's time travelling abilities, and the flashes he received when Widmore blasted him with EM? Does this mean he's literally traversing the boundary between the living and the dead, rather than time? Furthermore - why did Desmond feel the need to bring the survivors together in the alternate timeline? How does that tie into Desmond's ability to be the failsafe, protecting the island (or the rest of the world) from smokey? Finally - I was also extremely disappointed that Smokey had no relevance to the alternate timeline. He almost felt like simply another hastily introduced character introduced to provide some sort of a foil to Jacob - but at the same time, killed off in the finale with little to no impact on the rest of the show.

The Lost finale didn't have to answer all of our questions - and it was clear that it wouldn't. However, there were many things - that in my mind - were fundamental question that needed to be answered in order to logically tie in the ending of the 5th season timeline - the beginning of the 6th season timeline, and the beginning of the alternate timeline. What were the consequences of the H Bomb? Why did it trigger the the alternate (or so we thought) timeline? Why did the producers choose to display this timeline next to the island one? What relevance, if at all, did it have have to the present timeline other than providing a super super flash forward? Was smokey ever intended to have a greater impact on the show itself, and not be simply picked off in the finale with no affect on the flash sideways?

I felt if they had managed a way to describe the alternate timeline as a parallel universe - with somehow Desmond being able to traverse between them to stop Smokey by ultimately relating/merging the timelines - would've been a far more satisfying, albeit more obvious choice. It actually ties together the concepts introduced in this season - and provides a much more logical sense of closure. To me, at the least, this finale did none of that - and simply feels like a cheap and sloppy cop out to end the series without prior planning. One of the quotes by the producers in the recap episode was they they "hoped the viewers could walk away from the finale fully satisfied that they had invested 6 years into this show". I'm not quite sure I am :dabs:

However, I do realize one thing - that this is, as well, a character driven plot, and in that regard Lindelof and Cuse executed excellently. However, this quote pretty much sums up my response to that perfectly:

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... This was the ending Cuse and Lindelof crafted when they repeatedly said "Lost is all about the characters."

But the problem for Cuse and Lindelof is, despite downplaying so many of the mysteries of the island and this universe they created, they accidentally created a scenario where we cared about the mythology just as much—and in most cases even more—than the characters...

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johnny dies in the last ep.

or maybe it was mike :unsure:

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Originally Posted by brightsid

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i liked season 6 and the season finale. it sure was better than the previous 2-3 seasons. sure, lots of unanswered questions, but it's better than just straight up cancellation of the show entirely.

tbh, i'm glad it's over though. for as much as i dug the return of a better season it was time to let it go.

for those interested there is a hour+ long special entitled:

Lost.S06E00.The.Final.Journey.HDTV.XviD-2HD

basically behind the scenes.

R.I.P Lost.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

Don't know if any of youse cunts know this, but there is a forthcoming epilogue to Lost called The New Man In Charge which comprises an 11 minute vignette which will be included in the Season 6 DVD.

I have a synopsis of it. And so do you. Now.

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The first scene is a man who has his back to camera walking towards a doorway with Dharma symbols on it. It's Ben and as that picture hinted a week or so ago Ben is indeed shutting down the Dharma initiative for good. This scene is only like a minute long and Ben just tells the dudes in the Dharma jumpsuits that their assignments are done and that travel has been arranged for them back to their respective homes. The skinny dude asks Ben why this is happening and Ben does the cheesy turn around quick look into the camera and says "There's a new man in charge" and he walks out of the station as the dudes gesture their disappointment. First scene is kind of cheesy but it gets much better.

Next up we see this fabled new man in charge who is of course Hurley. Hurley still looks the same but he talks differently and there's no "dude" mentioned anywhere in the vignette.

Hurley is on the beach and is just starring off into the ocean. There is some noise coming from the bushes behind Hurley and Hurley has a weird cautious look in his eye but it's just the dog who lays down next to Hurley. Hurley has a nice little scene here with the dog where he outlines his regrets and his view of the future for the island. There is a lot of good stuff here and I will leave that part a mystery. Hurley says there is supposed to be some sort of balance to the island and that balance is gone. Hurley gets up and brushes the sand off of himself and tells the dog he has some good news for him, WALT IS COMING TO THE ISLAND!

Walt is doing some homework and listening to music in his room. I guess this is some sort of prep school or some sort of academy because Walt has a room at the school and is wearing a nice little uniform. After a moment someone knocks on the door and it's Ben. Walt looks like he's thirty years old but he still remembers Ben's face like he just saw him yesterday. Walt says he remembers what "they" did to him. Ben apologizes and he gets Walt to calm down. Ben explains Hurley's role on the island and offers him passage to the island. Walt says that if he wanted to go to the island he could go there any time he wanted to. Ben is intrigued but his evil intrigue dies off and he stays on mission. Walt then asks why he would ever go back and Ben manipulates him and tells him that his father is on the island. Walt wonders why Ben is visiting him because if Ben could leave the island then so could Michael. Ben says that Michael needs Walt's help and this works and WALT JUST FUCKING VANISHES as Ben smiles because he can still manipulate people like the old days.

Back on the island Hurley can still see dead people. I will not spoil the details of this scene as it both directly and indirectly involves John Locke and I can't write up a spoiler about Mr. Locke. I will give a little hint that Hurley offers an explanation of Locke's connection to the island and it fucking rocks and will be very satisfying but also very sad in regards to how things actually played out and how they should have played out. Are you... um.... stuck here? What if this island is the one that is stuck with me? Awesome scene. Very heady.

Final scene involves Walt and Hurley and offers a suggestion regarding the future of the island, things are left very much out in the open and the viewer must make up their own mind. Very good stuff. Fans will love it and it is very satisfying. The Vincent and Walt reunion will bring tears to everyone's eyes and it was done amazingly well. Great score A+++++++

Ya I heard about that looking forward to seeing it

Ya I heard about that looking forward to seeing it