R.I.P FTN or not?

Look Abby I'm not going to continue to go tit for tat with you on every little irrelevant semantic. Mostly because you are exhausting in your ignorance. The little I can muster is below

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That is no excuse for defending a site blindly without any sorts of reasoning behind it.I called you a blockhead because questions like the below just keep coming from you and it seems you dosent comprehend somethings which is clearly obvious to anyone reading it.(eg:irc convo where my aim was to show about the donations in FTN)

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Blindly?? How dare you. You aren't even a member of FTN so between the two of us I'd say I have a more clear view than you do. My reasoning is simple. Innocent until proven guilty so those who do the shit talking should have to prove it NOT the site who contributes to the community. FTN is being attacked here, they aren't coming here attacking anyone else. This is why I believe the shit talkers are wrong here.

Again with this IRC convo?? It's no kind of proof whatsoever of anything. It's just some guy saying how many times he thinks FTN has asked for money in an allotted time. That's it. Who is the guy? What are his credentials? Do you at very least get how he and that convo don't mean anything because we don't know who he is?

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Who did FTN defame or slander here?

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Who said FTN did that.All I said was(hate quoting again and again)

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YOU DID MORON!!

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?And yes it is "libelous and irresponsible to say the least." on the part of FTN.

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Obviously You should google the word Libel and get back to me OK champ

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I am saying "shit talkers wont stop shit talking unless they get any sort of proof to stop shit talking".zzz

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Yes i get that and my view is that they don't owe the shit talkers anything. Innocent until proven guilty. I'll put it like this, If i were to start a thread saying you enjoyed farm animal sex and others chimed in saying they knew it to be true, should you have to prove you weren't into that or should you be allowed to live your life free of harassment??

Before you say oh the donors are owed blah blah. I highly doubt all the people talking shit are donors here. Even if they are when you donate to the red cross do you have a say as to how they spend it?? No you don't ,again google the word donate for a more clear definition.

Detale,You are asking the same things which have been discussed posts before again and again and making remarks like this:

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Who said FTN did that.All I said was(hate quoting again and again)

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YOU DID MORON!!

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My arguments was clear in this thread,and I didnt say the above either.

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Again with this IRC convo?? It's no kind of proof whatsoever of anything. It's just some guy saying how many times he thinks FTN has asked for money in an allotted time. That's it. Who is the guy? What are his credentials? Do you at very least get how he and that convo don't mean anything because we don't know who he is?

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Man,seriously if you dont understand why I put in the IRC convo.leave it.I am not going to quote for you again.

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Blindly?? How dare you. You aren't even a member of FTN so between the two of us I'd say I have a more clear view than you do. My reasoning is simple. Innocent until proven guilty so those who do the shit talking should have to prove it NOT the site who contributes to the community. FTN is being attacked here, they aren't coming here attacking anyone else. This is why I believe the shit talkers are wrong here.

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Please read what sez wrote.

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Originally Posted by deadalive

The funniest part about this all is the people who complain or ask these loaded questions are most of the time not even members of the sites they attack/question. Or they have been banned or disabled or whatever and look for revenge, so they get other individuals all riled up and sit back and laugh at the drama that was created....

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What kinda stupid logic is that?First you say "most of them asking these question or shit talking are still members of the site" and then you say "the people who complain or ask these loaded questions are most of the time not even members of the sites they attack/question".So by the looks of it,both ways no one can ask questions?wow,please keep that to yourself.thanks.
And explain to me why a person shouldnt be a member of the site if he complains?I can say the ratio system in BitmeTV sucks(ratio system in most of the sites are lame),that means I should stop using BitmeTV?Isint it because people complained so much that the ratio system changed in What.CD?You you dont want other people to talk?start a tracker with the rule "Rule#1: Dont talk anything about the tracker".And then you can ban people for speaking up.

Abybeats,Who are you to make these allegations without proof? If the site needed help or not, it is still not your business or concern. They did not force anyone to donate. Members donated because they appreciate the site and staff. It has been around for a long time and never did anything shady to my knowledge.

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Abybeats,Who are you to make these allegations without proof?

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Point out the allegations I made please.Thanks.

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If the site needed help or not, it is still not your business or concern.

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I dont want to see anything nor am I interested in the least bit in ftn or what they do.

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They did not force anyone to donate.

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Who said they did?

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Members donated because they appreciate the site and staff.

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Check out the poll thread.

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It has been around for a long time and never did anything shady to my knowledge.

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Read what sez wrote

Ffs then what are you arguing /debating about in this thread? What is your point with making a poll?

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Ffs then what are you arguing /debating about in this thread? What is your point with making a poll?

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Read the thread.

lol his ignorance is overwhelming... I also notice you aren't bringing any of this shit up in the GFT thread...hmmm I wonder why that is?

No accusations for what is happening with their paypal account?

No complaints about them asking for money?

No census from multiple forums to put up numbers for them?

No poll for them?

Too funny......

Oh and P.S. I do run a tracker and we've been around almost 6 years now lmao, so much for what you know........

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I also notice you aren't bringing any of this shit up in the GFT thread...hmmm I wonder why that is?

No accusations for what is happening with their paypal account?

No complaints about them asking for money?

No census from multiple forums to put up numbers for them?

No poll for them?

Too funny......

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Give me one good reason I should do that.This whole discussion was a reply to Detale.If I feel replying to something in the GFT thread which I would like to question,I will.I dont need your help in that.Also,I can clearly see from those statements that you havent read this thread and what I intend to convey.No interest in you whatsoever.And a general trend in people like you I see is people like you label anyone who questions or have a difference in opinions into trolls/shit talkers.Typical Staff complex.

and When addressed what you commented here

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The funniest part about this all is the people who complain or ask these loaded questions are most of the time not even members of the sites they attack/question. Or they have been banned or disabled or whatever and look for revenge, so they get other individuals all riled up and sit back and laugh at the drama that was created....

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What kinda stupid logic is that?First you say "most of them asking these question or shit talking are still members of the site" and then you say "the people who complain or ask these loaded questions are most of the time not even members of the sites they attack/question".So by the looks of it,both ways no one can ask questions?wow,please keep that to yourself.thanks.
And explain to me why a person shouldnt be a member of the site if he complains?I can say the ratio system in BitmeTV sucks(ratio system in most of the sites are lame),that means I should stop using BitmeTV?Isint it because people complained so much that the ratio system changed in What.CD?You you dont want other people to talk?start a tracker with the rule "Rule#1: Dont talk anything about the tracker".And then you can ban people for speaking up.

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you are dodging the question by calling it ignorance.Is that the new trend now?If you cant answer dodge it with some stupid words?
People who are members shouldnt question,people who are not members shouldnt question,People who are banned or disabled also shouldnt question.So according to who is that who can question?Would like to know.

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Oh and P.S. I do run a tracker and we've been around almost 6 years now lmao, so much for what you know........

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I know that very well.But the tracker dosent have such a rule like i mentioned.does it?I think you need to implement it,because you seem to dislike questions and is only good at passing smartass comments or make a tracker like that.

What? Do you mean make rules like don't post our screens anywhere? Or, don't share accounts or our (dot) torrent files with anyone? Or, don't trade/sell accounts/invites? lol Yeah, those rules work well... like that would make any bit of difference if someone wants to violate it or not. There are assholes everywhere who get off on that shit, hell some make blogs and screen sites and offer buffering services just so they can feel big and important and rub it in trackers faces because "THEY" think the rule/s is stupid or wrong (like their opinion matters at all) and think they have the right to do it since it isn't their ass on the line.

My bitch with you abybeats is you are not even a member of FTN yet you feel you should have your questions answered. What gives you the right to know anything about it? Regardless of the answers you may or may not be given, you won't believe it.

How would you like this proof to be presented? A screenshot? Well that won't work because of the obvious security issues of exposing private banking information. So exactly how would this proof be presented to where you'd finally believe it? I don't foresee any way other than a screen of the actual account, and since that isn't going to happen, now what?

Like I said originally, I like and enjoy FTN and since I have been there for a few years, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. If you want to continue on with the witch hunt by all means do so, but I have said all I am going to say about this topic now as I am just repeating myself anyway (and honestly so are you).

We can agree to disagree.. cause this is getting pointless.

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My bitch with you abybeats is you are not even a member of FTN yet you feel you should have your questions answered. What gives you the right to know anything about it? Regardless of the answers you may or may not be given, you won't believe it.

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Dude,are you completely blind?If you dont have any intention of reading the thread dont bother commenting in it for gods sake.

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I dont want to see anything nor am I interested in the least bit in ftn or what they do.

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And my problem with you is comments like you made earlier.It is funny for you when people who complaint still keep their membership in the certain tracker.It is funny for you when non members ask something about the tracker and it is funny for you when a banned/disabled members complaint or ask questions.So what are you getting at?

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What? Do you mean make rules like don't post our screens anywhere? Or, don't share accounts or our (dot) torrent files with anyone? Or, don't trade/sell accounts/invites? lol Yeah, those rules work well... like that would make any bit of difference if someone wants to violate it or not. There are assholes everywhere who get off on that shit, hell some make blogs and screen sites and offer buffering services just so they can feel big and important and rub it in trackers faces because "THEY" think the rule/s is stupid or wrong (like their opinion matters at all) and think they have the right to do it since it isn't their ass on the line.

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Do you even care to read?

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You you dont want other people to talk?start a tracker with the rule "Rule#1: Dont talk anything about the tracker".And then you can ban people for speaking up.

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also add,"members,non members,disabled/banned members cant complaint"

FTN is the one to blame, if they go down due to economical problems. FTN has always been a site with strict access, so it is impossible for new users to enter. And even more impossible for new users to help by donation.

If I was a member of FTN, I'd happy to donate money. Too bad for FTN, they prefer to have a small member society.

what level is ftn ?

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My arguments was clear in this thread,and I didnt say the above either.

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Dear lord in heaven, Abby you said "it is "libelous and irresponsible to say the least." on the part of FTN." YES YOU SAID THAT. When someone is being libelous they are defaming someone else, so you in fact DID say that even if you didn't know what the word meant.
li·bel·ous also li·bel·lous (lhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/imacr.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifbhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif-lhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gifs)adj. Involving or constituting a libel; defamatory.

Maybe you think your point was clear but I assure you it isn't, you come off as feeling owed an explanation and yet your not a member of the site. you keep arguing moot points when the overall is simple. They can do as they wish, like it or not, agree or not. Their site their rules. Simple.

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Man,seriously if you dont understand why I put in the IRC convo.leave it.I am not going to quote for you again.

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I do understand why you did it, I'm trying to let you know that it proves nothing, that it's a useless piece of info with no basis for anything.

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Point out the allegations I made please.Thanks.

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You said they were "libelous and irresponsible" for one.

You keep saying that "questioning" isn't allowed blag blah, but it's YOU who are missing the point here. It's not questioning that's the problem here. It's the accusations without any proof to back it up. The early posts in this thread are just shit talking not questioning anything

"Grab money from donations and close site. Just like every other tracker"
"Let it die prick.Brandon and FTN scam of torrent world. "
"ahh FTN begging money again, been there seen that "

There's my problem, idiots posting nonsense. They're not simply asking what happened or how it happened, they are making clear accusations and YOU are coming to their aid on the subject. Where are they defending YOU here? Think about it

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what level is ftn ?

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There's my problem, idiots posting nonsense. They're not simply asking what happened or how it happened, they are making clear accusations and YOU are coming to their aid on the subject.

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I am not coming to the aid for anyone.All I am saying is:

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You started by saying others should stop speaking if they didint know what actually was going on in FTN.I said unless/until FTN gives some sort of proof you have no right to tell others to STFU.If FTN gives proofs or not is upto them.If they decide not to,people will continue to speak what they speak.From there on it escalated where you tried to defend FTN while I tried to prove my point.The difference being you got personal while I was raising my points and arguing about the reasoning/answers why people should stop talking shit while FTN themselves are not ready to shut their mouths.I am not saying people who talk shit is the right thing to do,but without hard facts shit talking cant be stopped.There are just so many things to talk shit about when a definite answer is not given.And you dont have any rights to say to "stop shit talking" because you yourself have no proofs/reasoning to keep them quite.

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You said they were "libelous and irresponsible" for one.

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I apologise for that.That wasnt my intention.That came out bad.

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They can do as they wish, like it or not, agree or not. Their site their rules. Simple.

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That dosent stop people from discussing their methods,criticizing the methods and actions that they take.Let them do what they wish but people will keep on discussing and expressing what they like as well.

In a kind of round about way aren't you both kinda arguing the same point but from different angles?

Aby - You are saying that all the rumour mongering will never stop until such times as FTN or a representative of FTN came out, made a statement and put all the shitty little comments being banded about to rest. I couldn't actually be bothered reading the whole thread and all of the replies by both of you, but even though I didn't see you backing up all the shite being thrown around you were saying it would always continue until someone put out the flames, so to speak... which is a valid point, like it or not.

Detale - You are saying that all the shitty little comments shouldn't be happening or coming from people who have no vested interest in the site, ie non-members, general haters etc. You also go on to say that no one from FTN should HAVE to come out and give any sorts of explanation, OR proofs as to what went on and what happened... and this is true also...

What exactly is it either of you are trying to prove on behalf of FTN or not? I think you're both just blabbering on now... :lol:

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...What exactly is it either of you are trying to prove on behalf of FTN or not? I think you're both just blabbering on now... :lol:

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Maybe I am. My point isn't exactly for FTN but more so against the haters who decide to throw cheap shots at some of the better sites out there.

I will stand up for FTN here.

The site had their funds frozen by Paypal at the same time they had to pay their server bills. Why should the site owner and staff- who donate their time and efforts- dig into their own pockets to cover the shortfall? They had to come up with the funds on short notice. They explained the situation to their members, and the members (who enjoy their membership enough to help out) came up with the money to keep the site open. As soon as enough money was raised, the Paypal link was removed. I know this for a fact because I clicked on the link- it was DEAD.

How could FTN have acted in any manner that was more appropriate?

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Why should the site owner and staff- who donate their time and efforts- dig into their own pockets to cover the shortfall?

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You shouldn't start something you're not prepared to financially contribute to. I'm sure Brandon has a job. I'm sure he has savings. I'm sure he's benefited in the past from donations (this is true for all sites, don't let them tell you different). Users donating is not a right, or part of the agreement of using the site, and as such the site should not be dependent on it, without a back up plan.

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Why should the site owner and staff- who donate their time and efforts- dig into their own pockets to cover the shortfall?

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You shouldn't start something you're not prepared to financially contribute to. I'm sure Brandon has a job. I'm sure he has savings. I'm sure he's benefited in the past from donations (this is true for all sites, don't let them tell you different). Users donating is not a right, or part of the agreement of using the site, and as such the site should not be dependent on it, without a back up plan.

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The site has been running for 4 years. That is longer than most businesses last. You are incorrect in your statement/belief that members bare no responsibility in keeping a site going. Quite the contrary, without financial support NO organization can continue more than short-term. And even that length of time is based SOLELY on the generosity of its creator(s) and staff.

FTN reached a point that was unsustainable based on its current resources. They asked for help and got it. There is no controversy here outside of those who want to take pot-shots at a respected site and its owner.

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Why should the site owner and staff- who donate their time and efforts- dig into their own pockets to cover the shortfall?

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You shouldn't start something you're not prepared to financially contribute to. I'm sure Brandon has a job. I'm sure he has savings. I'm sure he's benefited in the past from donations (this is true for all sites, don't let them tell you different). Users donating is not a right, or part of the agreement of using the site, and as such the site should not be dependent on it, without a back up plan.

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:slap:Jesus H Christ. What makes you so sure of these things you claim. How is it you know these peoples financial situations? The site as Mega said has been around for over 4 years as I've been a member for almost 4 years now. OK so the site needed help, haven't you ever needed some help in your life? They have managed the site all this time without something happening like this before so why is it so hard to give them the benefit of the doubt?

Do people REALLY have nothing better to do with their time? :lol:

The site was in the shit... needed a hand... asked their members, then got the help they asked for...

imho, it takes more guts to actually ask for help than to just sit there and let the situation run away with you...

It would have been really easy to take full advantage and leave their donations link open and 'milk the generosity' of the userbase for all they were worth, but quite simply put, they didn't...

I don't see what the big deal here is at all... seems to me like some people with fuck all else worthwhile to do with their time are just opening their mouths and letting their tummy's rumble...

We all like a good 'conspiracy theory' and to hear what the latest rumours/gossip are in BT world... but isn't this old news now?

I never put into question the validity of PayPals deletion of FTNs account, merely pointing out that the user base does not have an obligation to donate for its survival. Businesses shut down everyday, because their customers have consumer freedom to buy elsewhere (or in this case to donate).

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I never put into question the validity of PayPals deletion of FTNs account, merely pointing out that the user base does not have an obligation to donate for its survival. Businesses shut down everyday, because their customers have consumer freedom to buy elsewhere (or in this case to donate).

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this is nobodys business but FTN and its users. if they wanna donate great if not then thats fine too. the community the site provides for the users, for the donations it gets is extraordinary.

Ive just formatted the PC and having major difficulties signing into Squirell, any chance someone on FTN could pm me so I can sort this out>? tried to reset password but managed to lock myself out my registed email also - doh!

Much appreciated!

Or could anyone pm me the IRC details - cheers! :)

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Or could anyone pm me the IRC details - cheers! :)

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From the IRC channels sticky:

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Cheers mate, much appreciated! :)

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2010-06-23 01:30:22
Hey guys,

Just a friendly reminder that we rely on you to keep our servers and site operational. If we don't make donation costs for any month the site goes down permanently.
If you're able to help support FTN please do so. We have until 2 days before the end of each month to reach 100% before we start wiping the servers.

Thanks for those of you who've already helped this month and previous,

B

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is he serious about that again?

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2010-06-23 01:30:22
Hey guys,

Just a friendly reminder that we rely on you to keep our servers and site operational. If we don't make donation costs for any month the site goes down permanently.
If you're able to help support FTN please do so. We have until 2 days before the end of each month to reach 100% before we start wiping the servers.

Thanks for those of you who've already helped this month and previous,

B

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is he serious about that again?

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Most likely, he began limiting donations at around 100% so technically they are living on a month-to-month basis. I don't think anyone should think negatively of him for asking for donations, he's obviously spent his own time and money on it, and is at the point where if the members don't want to support it he's willing to close the site down because he no longer wishes to pay from his own pockets, which is understandable.

I donated 10 euros and the donation % only went up 1%...must cost a lot more then I thought to host one of these sites....

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and pay for axx at the level of a site like FTN/SCC. You have to remember, sites like those they can't get regular access to sites; their footprint would be too large to go unnoticed/ignored. They usually resort to running their own sites, apparently SCC runs two, even. Keeping up a torrent site might require a simple server to relay info between peers and host 10,000 threads, but costs of an actual site on the other hand are much larger to handle.

After all is said and done... they should either have some sort of plan in place about how to take the site forward, or just graciously let it go...

It's a sad way to go down, IF it eventually happens, to be remembered as a site either fucked over by PayPal, or who couldn't get enough donations from members...

I was lucky enough to be invited there almost 3 months ago, and in that time all I've read about is donations, server costs, site closing if not enough money is forthcoming, etc etc... not what I expected from FTN at all :(

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2010-06-23 01:30:22
Hey guys,

Just a friendly reminder that we rely on you to keep our servers and site operational. If we don't make donation costs for any month the site goes down permanently.
If you're able to help support FTN please do so. We have until 2 days before the end of each month to reach 100% before we start wiping the servers.

Thanks for those of you who've already helped this month and previous,

B

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is he serious about that again?

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I don't know why don't you post that on FTN and ask him?:dry:

Not everything will be worth the hype that some people claim it to be.

seems like they've made up their mind about closing tracker. it's probably just a matter of time...


hopefully everything working out good for everyone though

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For some reason I'm starting to get that impression myself... very disconcerting, I've not been on there long at all, and it's the second time it's been 'threatened'..

I think its a lie it will be come again

Some things to ponder...

This is the 23rd, there is a week remaining before "doomsday"
The donated amount is at 66%
Instead of creating a large overage, donations were cut off at 100% last time
Most of the people who are crying, "the end is here, the end is here", did so last time.

This is not a "scam", it is just B's way of asking for people to donate before the last minute. Since the site is not keeping a reserve, this is what needs to be said.

I would recommend the site keeping a 1 month reserve so things do not become so dire on a monthly basis.