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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by SnnY
If we are going to start demanding that large populations be moved from areas that their ancestors stole from others, we'll have to evacuate the US, Australia, the north of Sweden and so on, depending on how far back in history you'd like to go..
OK, so let's not do what's right, let's ignore UN resolutions, let's thumb our noses to the world, after all, what's a few thousand more lives? Let's keep going until Muslims run out of suicide bombers, or the world's cities run out of buses. Let's encourage terrorism by handing the spoils to the aggressors. Fuck the towel heads let them eat cake, and live in those parts of the desert the Israelis don't want. If they don't want what's best for Israel, fuck 'em. So what if the land we stole belonged to their fathers, what right do the children have to expect it?
If you steal my house, it's still my house, no matter how long you live in it, and if l die before l get it back, my sons will own it.
Are you Israeli SnnY? You sure sound like one.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
"Tralalal"
"Are you Israeli SnnY? You sure sound like one."
:lol:
Fan-tastic
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by RioDeLeo
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Originally Posted by SnnY
If we are going to start demanding that large populations be moved from areas that their ancestors stole from others, we'll have to evacuate the US, Australia, the north of Sweden and so on, depending on how far back in history you'd like to go..
OK, so let's not do what's right, let's ignore UN resolutions, let's thumb our noses to the world, after all, what's a few thousand more lives? Let's keep going until Muslims run out of suicide bombers, or the world's cities run out of buses. Let's encourage terrorism by handing the spoils to the aggressors. Fuck the towel heads let them eat cake, and live in those parts of the desert the Israelis don't want. If they don't want what's best for Israel, fuck 'em. So what if the land we stole belonged to their fathers, what right do the children have to expect it?
...and while were at it...
Let's go back to paying taxes to Britain and then make Britain give the land back to the Indians. As a matter of fact...Indians? India should reclaim part of there homeland and whatnot...it's clear 'cross da water.
Who conquered South Africa?
What about Australia? I think those Aborigines should start strapping C-4 to their backs and walk into the local pubs. I'll have a Molotov Cocktail please.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
Do we have land in India.
I thought the Mahatma had kind of sorted that out, by peaceful means.
EDIT : But I do agree your overall point. The World's history is full of this type of thing. With us probably being the worst, certainly in modern times.
What did the Romans ever do for us.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by SnnY
If we are going to start demanding that large populations be moved from areas that their ancestors stole from others, we'll have to evacuate the US, Australia, the north of Sweden and so on, depending on how far back in history you'd like to go.
;)
All we can do now is make sure no
new land is "stolen"....anywhere.
I wonder if we had to give it back, if we would get to keep Alaska... after all, even though it was paid for it could still be considered a steal :lol:
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Originally Posted by RPerry
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Originally Posted by Busyman
;)
All we can do now is make sure no new land is "stolen"....anywhere.
I wonder if we had to give it back, if we would get to keep Alaska... after all, even though it was paid for it could still be considered a steal :lol:
Or New York.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Do we have land in India.
I thought the Mahatma had kind of sorted that out, by peaceful means.
EDIT : But I do agree your overall point. The World's history is full of this type of thing. With us probably being the worst, certainly in modern times.
What did the Romans ever do for us.
No, no, no....Indians migrated to America and you took then we took.....and
"We brought 3 friends and they brought 3 friends and so on and so on and so on."
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by RPerry
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Originally Posted by Busyman
;)
All we can do now is make sure no new land is "stolen"....anywhere.
I wonder if we had to give it back, if we would get to keep Alaska... after all, even though it was paid for it could still be considered a steal :lol:
...or Hawaii or Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands. Hell the last 2 can't even vote.
:ph34r:
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Do we have land in India.
I thought the Mahatma had kind of sorted that out, by peaceful means.
EDIT : But I do agree your overall point. The World's history is full of this type of thing. With us probably being the worst, certainly in modern times.
What did the Romans ever do for us.
No, no, no....Indians migrated to America and you took then we took.....and
"We brought 3 friends and they brought 3 friends and so on and so on and so on."
Well, I'm 1/4 Wampanog Indian, does that mean I get to stay ? :rolleyes:
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by RPerry
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Originally Posted by Busyman
No, no, no....Indians migrated to America and you took then we took.....and
"We brought 3 friends and they brought 3 friends and so on and so on and so on."
Well, I'm 1/4 Wampanog Indian, does that mean I get to stay ? :rolleyes:
Hey me too...well actually I'm part Chickasaw, white, and black.
I'm sure there was alot of cross-ancestral-banging.
I'm a Duke in England
A tribal leader in Africa as well as here.
I claim triple citizenship right now!!!! :angry:
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Do we have land in India.
I thought the Mahatma had kind of sorted that out, by peaceful means.
EDIT : But I do agree your overall point. The World's history is full of this type of thing. With us probably being the worst, certainly in modern times.
What did the Romans ever do for us.
No, no, no....Indians migrated to America and you took then we took.....and
"We brought 3 friends and they brought 3 friends and so on and so on and so on."
So you are giving it back to us, then we give it back to them.
It's so much simpler in Africa and Australia, where the people who stole the land can just give it straight back.
Feck that was us as well.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by RPerry
Well, I'm 1/4 Wampanog Indian, does that mean I get to stay ? :rolleyes:
Hey me too...well actually I'm part Chickasaw, white, and black.
I'm sure there was alot of cross-ancestral-banging.
I'm a Duke in England
A tribal leader in Africa as well as here.
I claim triple citizenship right now!!!! :angry:
You can be three friends, all on your own.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by Busyman
No, no, no....Indians migrated to America and you took then we took.....and
"We brought 3 friends and they brought 3 friends and so on and so on and so on."
So you are giving it back to us, then we give it back to them.
It's so much simpler in Africa and Australia, where the people who stole the land can just give it straight back.
Feck that was us as well.
Hopefully this helps people realize how crazy this is. its not so easy to change the past, all we can really do is make better for the future :frusty:
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by Busyman
No, no, no....Indians migrated to America and you took then we took.....and
"We brought 3 friends and they brought 3 friends and so on and so on and so on."
So you are giving it back to us, then we give it back to them.
It's so much simpler in Africa and Australia, where the people who stole the land can just give it straight back.
Feck that was us as well.
Ya'll used to kick ass all over the world.
Didn't ya'll just give back Hong Kong or sumthin'?
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by RioDeLeo
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Originally Posted by SnnY
If we are going to start demanding that large populations be moved from areas that their ancestors stole from others, we'll have to evacuate the US, Australia, the north of Sweden and so on, depending on how far back in history you'd like to go..
OK, so let's not do what's right, let's ignore UN resolutions, let's thumb our noses to the world, after all, what's a few thousand more lives? Let's keep going until Muslims run out of suicide bombers, or the world's cities run out of buses. Let's encourage terrorism by handing the spoils to the aggressors. Fuck the towel heads let them eat cake, and live in those parts of the desert the Israelis don't want. If they don't want what's best for Israel, fuck 'em. So what if the land we stole belonged to their fathers, what right do the children have to expect it?
If you steal my house, it's still my house, no matter how long you live in it, and if l die before l get it back, my sons will own it.
Are you Israeli SnnY? You sure sound like one.
So the fact that the people you want to take away land from didn't steal it doesn't matter.
Let's steal their land, 'cos it was stolen from someone else in the past.
Yeah, that's much better.
You don't really care about some people, do you?
Just as long as the ones you think should own the place does, the fact that you screw the lives up for a lot people today doesn't matter. It is negated by the fact that others got the same treatment in the past, then?
It seems to me that some people are better than others in your thinking.
Do you have something in particular against Israelis at all?
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by RPerry
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Originally Posted by JPaul
So you are giving it back to us, then we give it back to them.
It's so much simpler in Africa and Australia, where the people who stole the land can just give it straight back.
Feck that was us as well.
Hopefully this helps people realize how crazy this is. its not so easy to change the past, all we can really do is make better for the future :frusty:
Actually the buck is supposed to stop with Israel according to Rio.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by JPaul
So you are giving it back to us, then we give it back to them.
It's so much simpler in Africa and Australia, where the people who stole the land can just give it straight back.
Feck that was us as well.
Ya'll used to kick ass all over the world.
Didn't ya'll just give back Hong Kong or sumthin'?
Gave it back to China, that's the kind of guys we are.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by RPerry
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Originally Posted by JPaul
So you are giving it back to us, then we give it back to them.
It's so much simpler in Africa and Australia, where the people who stole the land can just give it straight back.
Feck that was us as well.
Hopefully this helps people realize how crazy this is. its not so easy to change the past, all we can really do is make better for the future :frusty:
Can I quote Santayana again.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by SnnY
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Originally Posted by RioDeLeo
OK, so let's not do what's right, let's ignore UN resolutions, let's thumb our noses to the world, after all, what's a few thousand more lives? Let's keep going until Muslims run out of suicide bombers, or the world's cities run out of buses. Let's encourage terrorism by handing the spoils to the aggressors. Fuck the towel heads let them eat cake, and live in those parts of the desert the Israelis don't want. If they don't want what's best for Israel, fuck 'em. So what if the land we stole belonged to their fathers, what right do the children have to expect it?
If you steal my house, it's still my house, no matter how long you live in it, and if l die before l get it back, my sons will own it.
Are you Israeli SnnY? You sure sound like one.
So the fact that the people you want to take away land from didn't steal it doesn't matter.
Let's steal their land, 'cos it was stolen from someone else in the past.
Yeah, that's much better.
You don't really care about some people, do you?
Just as long as the ones you think should own the place does, the fact that you screw the lives up for a lot people today doesn't matter. It is negated by the fact that others got the same treatment in the past, then?
It seems to me that some people are better than others in your thinking.
Do you have something in particular against Israelis at all?
Well said SnnY
and @ RioDeLeo I can vouch SnnY is not Israeli, so can others. If he were, why do you make it sound like a disease ? :dry:
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by RPerry
Hopefully this helps people realize how crazy this is. its not so easy to change the past, all we can really do is make better for the future :frusty:
Can I quote Santayana again.
Absolutely :cool:
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Ya'll used to kick ass all over the world.
Didn't ya'll just give back Hong Kong or sumthin'?
Gave it back to China, that's the kind of guys we are.
:blushing:
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by RPerry
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Can I quote Santayana again.
Absolutely :cool:
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Thanks, I always enjoy that
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by RPerry
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Originally Posted by SnnY
So the fact that the people you want to take away land from didn't steal it doesn't matter.
Let's steal their land, 'cos it was stolen from someone else in the past.
Yeah, that's much better.
You don't really care about some people, do you?
Just as long as the ones you think should own the place does, the fact that you screw the lives up for a lot people today doesn't matter. It is negated by the fact that others got the same treatment in the past, then?
It seems to me that some people are better than others in your thinking.
Do you have something in particular against Israelis at all?
Well said SnnY
and @ RioDeLeo I can vouch SnnY is not Israeli, so can others. If he were, why do you make it sound like a disease ? :dry:
Hmmph. SnnY...that Israeli sespool bastard of scum. :angry:
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by RPerry
Well said SnnY
and @ RioDeLeo I can vouch SnnY is not Israeli, so can others. If he were, why do you make it sound like a disease ? :dry:
Hmmph. SnnY...that Israeli sespool bastard of scum. :angry:
That's a bit h4r5h.
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Right, I could vouch Rio has something against Israelis... He said SnnY was Israeli in a very... scummy sort of way don't you think..? http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/images/smilies/dry.gif.
Now, I could say you were right bringing those UN thingys, but did you find any condemning the Arabs for trying to repeatedly attack Israel, for lost respect in the wars they lost? Probably not..
The UN is a joke.
Why do I say that? check this out:
In 1967, as Egypt were getting ready to attack Israel in what was to become the 6 day war, the DEMANDED the UN forces sitting in Gaza, and some parts of Sini removed themselves from there IMMEDEATLY.
What did the UN do in response? Evacuated the forces. No questions, no nothing. Pretty pathetic don't you think?
@SnnY - all you said, was said perfectly, I could not have phrased it any better :)
Rio - As you can see, many, many other countries did the same, and in the end all became "good" shall we say. Your suggestions are impossible to do - evacuate 20,000 people from a big city, who have been living in the West Bank legally? (Ariel and Gush Etzion, right next to Jerusalem, and have been living there for a very long time).
We will however evacuate them nutters from Gaza, and deep in the West Bank, as they live there ILLEGALY.
I believe that in 10 years time this thread will be irrelevant, and Israel and Palestine will live in peace.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
Rafi,
He's just a troll, always has been always will be.
Don't rise to the insulting bait.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Hmmph. SnnY...that Israeli sespool bastard of scum. :angry:
That's a bit h4r5h.
Well as an Israeli, he deserves derision. :wacko:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by JPaul
That's a bit h4r5h.
Well as an Israel, he deserves derision. :wacko:
SnnY is a country :blink:
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Well as an Israeli, he deserves derision. :wacko:
SnnY is a country :blink:
Ya beat me to my edit. Shit!!!
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by JPaul
SnnY is a country :blink:
Ya beat me to my edit. Shit!!!
Hoi, who are you calling Shit!!!
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Rafi,
He's just a troll, always has been always will be.
Don't rise to the insulting bait.
That's the way it is with Billy.
Which reminds me, didn't we ban him once?
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Originally Posted by lynx
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Rafi,
He's just a troll, always has been always will be.
Don't rise to the insulting bait.
That's the way it is with Billy.
Which reminds me, didn't we ban him once?
How did you know :ohmy:
Ehh, he's not doing much harm. At least wait until this ID alienates a few more sections of the board. He's not popped into the lounge to say hi yet.
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by lynx
That's the way it is with Billy.
Which reminds me, didn't we ban him once?
How
did you know :ohmy:
Ehh, he's not doing much harm. At least wait until this ID alienates a few more sections of the board. He's not popped into the lounge to say hi yet.
Billy wouldn't want that, coz it would be like special treatment and if he believes in one thing it's fair treatment for all.
Except the Israelis obviously.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
Well, I know it may seem as if I am insulted, but it annoyes me that someone thinks he can write stuff like that, and all will go quiet. <_<
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by tralalala
Well, I know it may seem as if I am insulted, but it annoyes me that someone thinks he can write stuff like that, and all will go quiet. <_<
It appears he was wrong tho'. ;)
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Well, it seemed as if he wasn't going to accept that fact was he now.. ;)
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Originally Posted by tralalala
Well, it seemed as if he wasn't going to accept that fact was he now.. ;)
The words "Leopard" and "Spots" seem strangely apt.
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Re: I would like to argue something pretty important to me.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Ya beat me to my edit. Shit!!!
Hoi, who are you calling Shit!!!
Shit, who are you calling Hoi!!!?? :huh:
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Ooh, a gang, scarrrrry!!
Why don't you read another side of the story, not that you're interested in any other truth than your own.
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Originally Posted by Jews for Justice in the Middle East
As the periodic bloodshed continues in the Middle East, the search for an equitable solution must come to grips with the root cause of the conflict. The conventional wisdom is that, even if both sides are at fault, the Palestinians are irrational "terrorists" who have no point of view worth listening to. Our position, however, is that the Palestinians have a real grievance: their homeland for over a thousand years was taken, without their consent and mostly by force, during the creation of the state of Israel. And all subsequent crimes - on both sides - inevitably follow from this original injustice.
This paper outlines the history of Palestine to show how this process occurred and what a moral solution to the region's problems should consist of. If you care about the people of the Middle East, Jewish and Arab, you owe it to yourself to read this account of the other side of the historical record.
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Introduction
The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs' inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.
The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).
The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists' intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)
In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn't matter. The Arabs' opposition to Zionism wasn't based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.
One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930's and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.
But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic "land without people for a people without land" was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem, as we shall see.
Read the full account here.
What you are espousing Rafi is Zionism, not Judaism, Israel is a Zionist state, not a Jewish one.
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" ...not that you're interested in any other truth than your own"
:lol:
As ever, the inadvertent master of irony.
Purely as an aside " ... any truth other than your own" would be much better.
