The Global warming blow-hards...

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Spoken like a true weasel, Ava. ;)

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Bless you my son.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Disappearing world: Global warming claims tropical island


For the first time, an inhabited island has disappeared beneath rising seas. Environment Editor Geoffrey Lean reports
Published: 24 December 2006

Rising seas, caused by global warming, have for the first time washed an inhabited island off the face of the Earth. The obliteration of Lohachara island, in India's part of the Sundarbans where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal, marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has started coming true.

As the seas continue to swell, they will swallow whole island nations, from the Maldives to the Marshall Islands, inundate vast areas of countries from Bangladesh to Egypt, and submerge parts of scores of coastal cities.

Eight years ago, as exclusively reported in The Independent on Sunday, the first uninhabited islands - in the Pacific atoll nation of Kiribati - vanished beneath the waves. The people of low-lying islands in Vanuatu, also in the Pacific, have been evacuated as a precaution, but the land still juts above the sea. The disappearance of Lohachara, once home to 10,000 people, is unprecedented.

It has been officially recorded in a six-year study of the Sunderbans by researchers at Calcutta's Jadavpur University. So remote is the island that the researchers first learned of its submergence, and that of an uninhabited neighbouring island, Suparibhanga, when they saw they had vanished from satellite pictures.

Two-thirds of nearby populated island Ghoramara has also been permanently inundated. Dr Sugata Hazra, director of the university's School of Oceanographic Studies, says "it is only a matter of some years" before it is swallowed up too. Dr Hazra says there are now a dozen "vanishing islands" in India's part of the delta. The area's 400 tigers are also in danger.

Until now the Carteret Islands off Papua New Guinea were expected to be the first populated ones to disappear, in about eight years' time, but Lohachara has beaten them to the dubious distinction.

Human cost of global warming: Rising seas will soon make 70,000 people homeless

Refugees from the vanished Lohachara island and the disappearing Ghoramara island have fled to Sagar, but this island has already lost 7,500 acres of land to the sea. In all, a dozen islands, home to 70,000 people, are in danger of being submerged by the rising seas.
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Lohachara Island actually disappeared about 20 years ago.

The northwards progression of the Indian plate is causing it to tilt slightly and as a result the whole area is slowly sinking. It has absolutely nothing to do with sea level rise.

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Originally Posted by lynx

Lohachara Island actually disappeared about 20 years ago.

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It didn't disappear, it was flooded, some people went back again.

Did it sink or was it flooded.

I think we have a right to know.

wikipedia knows all

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Lohachara Island was an islet on the Sundarban river delta in the Sundarban National Park, located near the Indian state of West Bengal which was permanently flooded in the 1980s.[1]

The islet is one of a number of "vanishing islands" in India's part of the delta: in the past two decades, four islands - Bedford, Lohachara, Kabasgadi and Suparibhanga - have sunk into the sea and 6,000 families have been made homeless.[2] Although other islands have disappeared due to various man-made construction projects, Lohachara was the first inhabited island to disappear, purportedly due to global warming.[3] There are multiple causes[4] of the disappearances of islands in the delta, including sea-level rise , coastal erosion, cyclones(the number has reduced but intensity increased[5]), mangrove destruction and coastal flooding. The loss of land has created thousands of refugees in the area.

Overall population of the Sundarbans has risen 200% to nearly 4.3 million.

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edit: have been reading up on sea level rises. The whole glacier rebound thing and plate tectonics does seem to add a lot of uncertainty to the whole thing. Interesting and slightly sceptical view of sea level rises

So that's a "don't know" then.

Any discussion of plate tectonics is disallowed when debating global warming, as it doesn't fit any "acceptable" scenarios.

Under the global warming guidelines (as outlined in the global warming handbook, Global Warming for Dummies), all floodings/sinkings/inundations are due solely to melting glaciers.

So the words natural moveage isn't allowed.

Sorry, my bad.

Well Lynx's actually.

Damn you Lynx, for your alluring arguments.

The thing I find about the "man has nothing to do with global warming" blow hards is that they argue with straw men.
Nobody said "global warming (sea temperatures rising) will cause more hurricanes" they said global warming will increase the severity of the hurricanes that occur.
Nobody in the scientific community has said that warming/cooling cycles are not natural, they said pollution is speeding the process up.

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outgoing Chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works James Inhofe (R-OK) argued that the current wave of unprecedented warming is due to “natural changes.” “God’s still up there,” Inhofe said, and to the extent there is warming going on, it is “due to the sun.”

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Well no shit sherlock, but the scientist are not denying that the main heat source is the sun, they are saying that man's pollution has affected the way the earth deals with the radiation.

I am left wondering what the point of creating a "hoax" like global warming would be trying to achieve. Stossel suggests it's because some people hate profit, it's a socialist conspiracy.

Personally I think man has affected the planet, this doesn't mean I agree with a "green tax", I would go more for tax breaks based on less pollution instead of more tax, if you want to pay less tax, clean up your act.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

The thing I find about the "man has nothing to do with global warming" blow hards is that they argue with straw men.
Nobody said "global warming (sea temperatures rising) will cause more hurricanes" they said global warming will increase the severity of the hurricanes that occur.
Nobody in the scientific community has said that warming/cooling cycles are not natural, they said pollution is speeding the process up.

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outgoing Chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works James Inhofe (R-OK) argued that the current wave of unprecedented warming is due to “natural changes.” “God’s still up there,” Inhofe said, and to the extent there is warming going on, it is “due to the sun.”

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Well no shit sherlock, but the scientist are not denying that the main heat source is the sun, they are saying that man's pollution has affected the way the earth deals with the radiation.

I am left wondering what the point of creating a "hoax" like global warming would be trying to achieve. Stossel suggests it's because some people hate profit, it's a socialist conspiracy.

Personally I think man has affected the planet, this doesn't mean I agree with a "green tax", I would go more for tax breaks based on less pollution instead of more tax, if you want to pay less tax, clean up your act.

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