Gun Ownership

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Originally posted by junkyardking@16 July 2003 - 02:28
If you havn't seen The movie Bowling for Columbine i suggest you do, in the later half it compares the US with Canada, now Canada has alot of guns and gun ownership but it is relativly a safe place to live with people even leaving there doors unlocked, the conclusion that Michael Moore came to was that the US had a culture largly based on fear and if you look at it from an outside view that's what you see.

JYK,

You see that glow on the horizon?
That's j2, preparing to go ballistic with another Michael Moore/Bowling for Columbine rant.

You brought it upon yourself, I'm afraid.... :P

i can keep my nationality a secret no more, the pride is welling up inside: i am canadian. but i can assure you that moore's portrayal of canadians was absurd: we really do lock our doors. American society is more violent, but he made us look positively SCANDINAVIAN for chrissakes.

I really like moore and the work he does, but BFC is an anecdotal, highly personal rant, and cannot be depended on as a reliable sociological source. Above all, its political entertainment.

I remember one brief scene where he compares the number of gun related deaths in canada v usa, using the old "ticking number technique", and by george the US numbers just kept piling up, but mostly because the population is 10x higher. This is just silly, the kind of numbers manipulation that the innumerate fall for (come to think of it, i think the stat adjusted for pop. was still 4x the canadian rate...exactly why I'll never trade in a beaver for a bald eagle).

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Originally posted by clocker@16 July 2003 - 06:48
JYK,

You see that glow on the horizon?
That's j2, preparing to go ballistic with another Michael Moore/Bowling for Columbine rant.

You brought it upon yourself, I'm afraid.... :P

I can't be responsible for this ongoing Michael Moore enlightenment effort, Clocker.

He and his fans deserve each other, cut, as they are, from the same bolt of defective cloth.

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Originally posted by j2k4@16 July 2003 - 15:14
I can't be responsible for this ongoing Michael Moore enlightenment effort, Clocker. He and his fans deserve each other, cut, as they are, from the same bolt of defective cloth.

just to clarify j2, is your beef with MM in general or with BFC? The contentiousness of his latest is obvious, but have you ever seen Roger and Me? Thats good, down-home folk hero stuff, thar.

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Originally posted by myfiles3000+16 July 2003 - 09:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (myfiles3000 @ 16 July 2003 - 09:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@16 July 2003 - 15:14
I can't be responsible for this ongoing Michael Moore enlightenment effort, Clocker. He and his fans deserve each other, cut, as they are, from the same bolt of defective cloth.

just to clarify j2, is your beef with MM in general or with BFC? The contentiousness of his latest is obvious, but have you ever seen Roger and Me? Thats good, down-home folk hero stuff, thar.[/b][/quote]
"Roger and Me" was Moore's best effort, as it was reasonably funny, but someone, in an incredible fit of "cart before horse" syndrome, conferred upon Mr. Moore the status of "counterculture genius"-it's been all downhill from there.

Since I'm sure Clocker is waiting with 'bated breath, I will use the trusty K-lite forum "search" function to satisfy him cheaply, by quoting all I have ever said here re: Mr. Moore, with apologies for lack of a clean edit; it is my birthday, and I'm committed therefore to sloth and laziness:

Michael Moore has nothing to offer of any consequence, he writes to provoke reactions. His first attempt at comedy, entitled "Roger and Me" (what it's about is, believe me, of no import) attracted the attention of some stupid people who knew many other stupid people. They, in turn, deified Mr. Moore (who is himself a stupid person), and convinced him (it wasn't difficult) that he could be the leader of the stupid people if he would write more tripe. This he consented to do. He has enjoyed modest success as a provacateur, and is so enamored of himself he has several more books in the hopper, among them:

"I'm Stupid-You're Stupid"

"Ego and Stupidity: Managing Your Assets"

"Stupidity and Logic-A User's Guide"

Monday, March 17, 2003
A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War

George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC

Dear Governor Bush:

So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you:

Michael Moore possesses the truth: He IS the oracle.

1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!

There is "virtually no one" INCLUDING those on Fox News and talk radio, who is "gung ho" for war. The fact a MAJORITY of Americans SUPPORT the war does not impress Mr. Moore. His supposition proves nothing other than that he knows where the anti-war crowd hangs out.

2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.

This is sOOOOOOO tired. Even the liberal press (WHO, IN 2000, COMPLETED THE COUNT SO AS TO BE ABLE TO PUBLISH THE "FACTS", CONCLUDED BUSH DID INDEED WIN, EVEN INCREASING HIS FINAL WINNING MARGIN) admitted (albeit on page 20, in most cases) Bush won, and any legal challenge mounted by Gore would have failed.

3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them.

Bill Maher-another oracle, even more clever than Mr. Moore-who proclaims himself a "libertarian", then leaves his ass hanging out for any reasoned debate. If he didn't control the microphone and the agenda, his points would blunt themselves.
Mr. Moore does not "live" in the "world" and has no claim to speak for anyone. He reminds me of a "white" Jesse Jackson in this regard.

4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place.

The Pope should deal with (as Mr. Moore says) the issues which beg his attention: PEDARIST PREISTS. When would the Pope EVER speak in favor of a war? I predict Mr. Moore will soon be blasting Papal interest in some other "Moore" cause.

5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either!

Mr Moore finally makes a marginal point.

6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of.

Yes, we DO love the French-just not right now.

Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet!

Among other things in this paragraph, Mr. Moore mis-spells "ass-whuppin'".

But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!!

No, Mr. Moore, it's THEIR oil, and we know it.

Yours,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com

And your contention would therefore be this letter "proves" Mr. Moore is right and Bush is wrong?

I'm sorry, I don't like the guy. :angry:

Edit: Hi-lite-j2

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Originally posted by j2k4@16 July 2003 - 18:00
it is my birthday, and I'm committed therefore to sloth and laziness:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY :)

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Originally posted by ilw+16 July 2003 - 11:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ilw @ 16 July 2003 - 11:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@16 July 2003 - 18:00
it is my birthday, and I'm committed therefore to sloth and laziness:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY :) [/b][/quote]
Thank you kindly, ilw. :)

Happy birthday, j2.

Hoist a Zima for me. :lol:

Happy Wrinkle Day j2k4 ;)

Happy Pissup day J2k!!! :lol: