For A L L That Use P2p Or Share Files

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Originally posted by FreakBoy@4 August 2003 - 06:02
If CD sales suddenly drop the RIAA can point to it as filesharing putting the companies out of business.

If sales get too low then they could spend stampede alot of laws though Congress.

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That's the whole idea - CD sales have to drop through the floor to get our point across. They have to understand that we're not going to take this lying down. Maybe at first they won't get it. Maybe they'll pass the laws you're afraid of, but as the boycott continues, (And maybe spreads to games and movies, if it has to), then they will have to cry uncle! It will only work if enough people get behind it, but if we stand together on this, they will have to give up. Look, if they intimidate you, they've won - you might as well throw your modem in the trash. This is war and we have to go all out!!

quick question. does anyone think that some musicans use p2p file sharing programs?

So are you folks sending these letters...
http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2713.

While I was doing all this movement and stuff I wondered... Can and will anyone come after P2P for software reasons because I download ALL my software from kazaa and it would really suck if I had to start paying for my VERY expensive taste for software.

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Originally posted by REALITY@4 August 2003 - 08:44
So are you folks sending these letters...
http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2713.

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I have. :beerchug:

Having CD sales drop too low might show our resolve, but it will also cause the RIAA to crack down even harder. We want to find a way to get free music w/o them crackin down

The bottom line is that recorded music is a technical novelty that has almost nothing to do with the artistry of music. The only reason that the industry got so powerful is that, due to a temporary discontinuity in the technology, making an original recording was relatively much easier than making an exact copy of that recording. That discontinuity is over and there is nothing that they can do about it.

Recorded music is a great promotional tool to sell the real product - the performance. The artists who realize that will prosper. The others are doomed anyway. Look at the history of Rock and Roll. The artists who made a lot of money recording were almost universally destroyed by that success. The artists who didn’t, but kept performing, had long and financially rewarding careers in spite of lifestyles that would have left a normal person a wreck in no time. .

I’m not saying that I should be able to copy a CD and sell it on the street, but digital copy of a sound wave is just about the most insubstantial possible form of property imaginable. After all what are we talking about, but a string of 0s and 1s. Carpenters don’t get paid for a videotape of them building last house that they built. They have to get up off of their asses and build another one. Every other job is the same. Why should musicians be awarded this windfall? Live performances are lucratively rewarded. They have nothing to complain about.

The truth is that there is no way to control the proliferation of digital files anymore. All the p2ps have to do is incorporate IP re-direction into their software. Unless they shut down the Internet, it can’t be stopped for long. There are bigger businesses that the RIAA that will never let that happen. But, this campaign by the industry is probably going to cause some real nasty pain for a few unlucky individuals. That cannot be tolerated. I say boycott all music purchases, except used physical media, until file sharing is completely protected by law. Any other stand is too weak, and only coddles those who would still attempt the ghoulish and greedy practice of living off of the ghosts of past performances.

1) I like Ben Harper's music, although I would never buy his CD while he is under the RIAA. He has told interviewers that he is not going to renew his contract and join an indie label...the moment he does, I'm getting his CD. I think that we need to support more artists that have said "enough!" with the RIAA taking their profits...I think they would be much happier if I downloaded their album off of K-Lite and then sent them 5 bucks in the mail...they'd be making at least 5 times what they normally would off of a CD...I'd be happy as hell too, knowing I save 10-15 bucks off retail, and that I was directly supporting the artists. All it's going to take is a few big name artists to go solo (in marketing, of course) to show the others that it is possible to make bank without the RIAA.

2) I recieved a signed letter from my representative a few years ago (I was 15 at the time) that said how she was aware that I was into the legality of P2P (which I was, but how the FFFF did she know???), and if I would like to discuss my position at a meeting. Of course I didn't take up the offer, because of my age, but it goes to show that some are willing to listen and bend their views to the public's will. They are there to serve you...their job is to stay in office, that's how they make money, and most, contrary to popular belief, aren't puppets for big business. If they don't reflect the public's view, they lose...and they can't carry out their agendas, regardless of what stance they take.

Randyleepublic--

I don't buy the 'it's nothing more than a string of 0s and 1s argument'. The same thing could be said for a bank account.
While it's true that a traditional salsa band can do live performances, how is someone who just programs drum machines and tape loops, supposed to do a live performance? What if some of the rhythms and note speeds aren't even playable by human beings?
Also, I'd say much of the artistry of today's music is in the recording process. What reverbs to use, which microphones to pick, what type of room the sound is recorded in, splicing and pasting parts of performances, tediously tracking multiple instruments... These are all part of the art of the recording process. I think your argument for the recording process would have been more true in say, 1920 when a recording was essentially just a recording of a live performance.
Having said all this, since most major recording artists only get about 5 percent of their record sales, I could certainly see lowering the cost of a $15 cd to 75 cents. Of course, this doesn't solve the problem of stealing from someone like Ani Difranco or Aimee Mann who I'm pretty sure aren't with any major labels.

Hi Kazoo,

The point is that a recording is now something that is too ephemeral to consider the kind of work product that a person can reasonably expect to get paid for. There are artists who arange spagetti on a plate. It may be art, but they don't expect to get paid for it. If a musician insists on working in a style that cannot be performed live that's their esthetic decision, just don't call out the goon squad to try to collect money for a recording of the sounds. A bank account is only 0s and 1s, but unless it is loaded in the proper platform, it's also worthless. I could have stacks of copies of bank account files, without access to the bank's network those files aren't worth anything either. Certainly I appreciate the work of many artists and buy the CD's at their shows, (I used to anyways, not now - not until my brothers and sisters are no longer in any lawyer's sights). I just don't think that copying a file is theft. Come on, 90% of music is "inspired" by someone else's work anyways. I'm sorry that the recording = money gravy train is over, but musicians are going to have to do what other artists do and channel their work accordingly or not worry about it

While there are aguments on both sides, the mere fact that it is such a arguable question makes it an issue that should only be left up to individual people's consciences. But right now there are people who are about to be put through a lot of grief for doing something that they and millions of others agree is innocent. They don't deserve it and the only thing we can do to help them is support the botcott!!

How would you like to get a summons in the mail? Are you 100% unlicensed copy free? Throw the first stone or help out and boycott!!!!