partial seeding improves your ratio - a myth

It's my opinion that partial seeding just sucks anyways... it only benefits a single user, but hurts the torrent itself.. i've read pretty this entire thread(started skimming when peeps started repeating).. and no mentions the fact it hurts torrents.. if you have 20 peeps partial seeding one part of a torrent how the heck is someone that might actually want that torrent to watch or play or whatever gonna get the whole thing!? it's a buddy fucking mentality, for lack of better terms... personally it drives me freking crazy when peeps partial seed.. it ends up killing the torrent sooner and frustrates other users whom otherwise would contribute to the swarm.. EI: help with everyones precious buffers... i've had no real problem with seeding from my home connection at the likes of s*t and b*tm*tv ...... if you have to manage yourself, plain and simple! to many users these days want huge buffers and big e-penises that go with it like yesterday... it's been proven that peeps with 30-40k upload can have decent ratios.. notice i said ratios, not buffers.. no one needs big buffers thats a want. it promotes poor torrenting imo..

only exception is like PB had mentioned.... if it's a pack with multiple items in it and only want one thing.... other than that the whole idea is stupid

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Originally Posted by jasperr

It's my opinion that partial seeding just sucks anyways... it only benefits a single user, but hurts the torrent itself.. i've read pretty this entire thread(started skimming when peeps started repeating).. and no mentions the fact it hurts torrents.. if you have 20 peeps partial seeding one part of a torrent how the heck is someone that might actually want that torrent to watch or play or whatever gonna get the whole thing!? it's a buddy fucking mentality, for lack of better terms... personally it drives me freking crazy when peeps partial seed.. it ends up killing the torrent sooner and frustrates other users whom otherwise would contribute to the swarm.. EI: help with everyones precious buffers... i've had no real problem with seeding from my home connection at the likes of s*t and b*tm*tv ...... if you have to manage yourself, plain and simple! to many users these days want huge buffers and big e-penises that go with it like yesterday... it's been proven that peeps with 30-40k upload can have decent ratios.. notice i said ratios, not buffers.. no one needs big buffers thats a want. it promotes poor torrenting imo..

only exception is like PB had mentioned.... if it's a pack with multiple items in it and only want one thing.... other than that the whole idea is stupid

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Yes some one else with same thoughts rather than arguing if it helps ratios or not it aint needed and does more harm than good to the torrent and other users :)

It is in a way blatent over seeding and that aint needed either :)

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Originally Posted by jasperr

It's my opinion that partial seeding just sucks anyways... it only benefits a single user, but hurts the torrent itself.. i've read pretty this entire thread(started skimming when peeps started repeating).. and no mentions the fact it hurts torrents.. if you have 20 peeps partial seeding one part of a torrent how the heck is someone that might actually want that torrent to watch or play or whatever gonna get the whole thing!? it's a buddy fucking mentality, for lack of better terms... personally it drives me freking crazy when peeps partial seed.. it ends up killing the torrent sooner and frustrates other users whom otherwise would contribute to the swarm.. EI: help with everyones precious buffers... i've had no real problem with seeding from my home connection at the likes of s*t and b*tm*tv ...... if you have to manage yourself, plain and simple! to many users these days want huge buffers and big e-penises that go with it like yesterday... it's been proven that peeps with 30-40k upload can have decent ratios.. notice i said ratios, not buffers.. no one needs big buffers thats a want. it promotes poor torrenting imo..

only exception is like PB had mentioned.... if it's a pack with multiple items in it and only want one thing.... other than that the whole idea is stupid

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i dunno what u are on either...i have giant buffers...and im a good member...maybe its because im an uploader :blink:

I posted earlier that an uploaders buffer should not be considered in same way as a general user on sites :)

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Originally Posted by hitman51

i dunno what u are on either...i have giant buffers...and im a good member...maybe its because im an uploader :blink:

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what you are talking about.. is an entirely different thing... this really doesn't apply to uploaders.. it's a trick used by leechers... unless you do, do this also on things you download.. which being an uploader at places, that really would put shame on yourself for overseeding/buffering ..

well i am on a low speed connection as they say.. if it is a myth how come that any time i only leech a sample for a quality check i get a ratio of about 10 after a day and if i leech a whole release i am at 0,2 after a week? that alone proves you wrong pb.. if you start to think about it you might understand why it is not a myth ;)
i think that partial seeding for ratio building is just ridiculous though. if you need to do that, join another tracker :P

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

many people think partial seeding is a good way to improve your ratio. let me tell you why i think this is wrong.

let's pretend you grab one rar of a popular xvid and seed it. let's also pretend the torrent gets 20 snatches after you start to seed:

20 x 14mb = 280mb upload - 14mb = 266mb buffer, file ratio 20.0

let's now pretend you donwload the whole movie.

20 x 700mb = 14gb upload - 700mb = 13,3gb buffer, file ratio 20.0

the ratio improvement is exactly the same. it doesn't matter wether you grab only a part of the torrent or the whole thing. the key factor is the total number of snatches you get.

when you download the whole movie you can:

a.) watch it (which is the purpose of downloading movies in the first place)
b.) get a much higher buffer!

please don't tell me that you save harddisk space. if you can't afford 700mb saved to your hd, get a bigger one (they're cheap) or delete some files.

the only case where partial downloading makes sense is, if there's a pack and you only want a portion of the content.

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i had seedbox and i used partial seeding because its the best fastest way to build your ratio

you have to know you are right when you say : "20 x 14mb = 280mb upload - 14mb = 266mb buffer, file ratio 20.0"

but you cant seed all the 700mb to 20 peer (its more hard and there is many seeder and leecher who seed too)
when you download small parts, you will use the full bw for uploading , so you will get max speed, but if you download at the same time you will not max your up speed
also there is the 'disk overloaded" problem, when the disk wirte all parts of 4.3gb file at the same time and high speed, it will be overloaded
but if it write just some part, you will not get the overload and you will seed at the same time
and when you finish the parts and start seeding it, you have the priority to seed,
for ex :
if you full download torrent and alredy finished parts from "1->10" but not finished the whole torrent yet and me did partial download for parts "1->10" i finish befor you wich is totaly logic (with seedbox or good speed) and i will be as a seeder on my utorrent , and i have priority to seed parts from 1->10 then you , so leechers will take from me first

well exuse english :P , but for sure partial seeding is better then full download if you want build your ratio

here's an experiment that everyone of you can do and that will prove my theory.

-find a popular tv episode from a 0-day tracker right after it's released
-partial download only one rar file
-stop your torrent after 12 hours
-take a look at the file ratio

next week

-grab the next epsisode of the show on the same tracker right after it's released
-this time download the whole thing
-stop your torrent again after 12 hours
-take a look at the file ratio

even if the conditions of these two torrents can't be exactly the same, i bet there won't be a big difference when you compare the file ratios.

try it and convince me that i'm wrong.

You download a full 4.3 gig DVD, and you let it seed for a 48 hour period, and for the sake of argument, lets say you upload 7 gigs (you constantly seed at 60 kbs). Now, you download only 500 mbs of that DVD, you let it seed for 48 hours, and people are constantly downloading this movie, and again you upload about 7 gigs (again, constantly seed at 60 kbs)...
Which helped your ratio more?

This is a plausible scenario, I've done it myself on trackers that allow partial seeding... Otherwise, I would never get out of that 48 hour hole.

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Originally Posted by twist off

You download a full 4.3 gig DVD, and you let it seed for a 48 hour period, and for the sake of argument, lets say you upload 7 gigs (you constantly seed at 60 kbs). Now, you download only 500 mbs of that DVD, you let it seed for 48 hours, and people are constantly downloading this movie, and again you upload about 7 gigs (again, constantly seed at 60 kbs)...
Which helped your ratio more?

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that would mean that only 1.6 people downloaded the whole dvd from you, but 14 people downloaded your partial file. that's not possible when you seed with the same speed.