Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
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cinephilia
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shipwreck
Or just get rid of this whole ratio system altogether, which actually has has been the trend for a lot of the newer trackers recently.
except that the ratio system is actually the last rampart to prompt users to keep torrents seeding for a long time. if you get rid of it, there's no doubt that the retention will be seriously affected.
Long term seeding is not really encouraged by a ratio system, because it takes too much time, and 'success' is not even guaranteed (maybe nobody is interested in the stuff you seed). A bonus system, in addition to a ratio system or not (there are non-ratio sites that have a bonus system) is the much better way to encourage users to keep torrents alive over a long period of time.
Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
i do agree that a bonus system is the best way to encourage long term seeding but once again, ratio system is still a safeguard. i often noticed the more a tracker is hard to seed on, the more its members tends to seed torrents longer (especially those with slow connections). it works like a charm for trackers like KG, what.cd or waffles anyway.
Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
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IdolEyes787
I readying for the inevitable "but I pay for a speedbox so why should I carry on my back those people who are too poor or cheap to do the same".
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Cokeman
If you have bad conections then you should be in p2p.
My sb is 20euros. If you cant afford it then get another hobby
Told you.:whistling
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Hombre
it's a lot. off course it makes it harder for other users, but i spend 30€ and i dont have to worry
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sez
Actually you all kinda missed what hombre meant to say.He didn't say he won't donate to a tracker.He leaves open the option of donating to keep the site alive but what he refuses is extortion and bribery i.e he'd rather eat dirt than pay so as to maintain his account on a tracker because he'd be banned if he doesn't.
He prefers working himself out of a mess just like everyone else only that he is choosing to do it with a little help from OVH.Hombre is e-honest and the fact that he is talking about pushing 10TB in 30 days with €30 only(impossible if you ask me)that makes hombre e-hardworking :yes: :yes:
Sorry stopped paying attention after that part( not really it's like artistic license like )and just want to add that's really e-nnoying.
Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
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shipwreck
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Originally Posted by
cinephilia
except that the ratio system is actually the last rampart to prompt users to keep torrents seeding for a long time. if you get rid of it, there's no doubt that the retention will be seriously affected.
Long term seeding is not really encouraged by a ratio system, because it takes too much time, and 'success' is not even guaranteed (maybe nobody is interested in the stuff you seed). A bonus system, in addition to a ratio system
or not (there are non-ratio sites that have a bonus system) is the much better way to encourage users to keep torrents alive over a long period of time.
Can you back that up? Whatcd doesn't have a bonus system, but it's got seeders. Same with bitmetv, and ScT, and TT. I think you just like bonus systems and are trying to justify them by making absurd statements.
It might be ok when it's balanced and rewards small amounts of upload while files are generally large (KG) or if it's a 0day tracker where the extra upload can be made up from the uploaders seedboxes. However I don't think your statement has very much truth in it.
Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
not to mention that a bonus system would be totally useless without a ratio system (except maybe for karma points whores).
Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
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TrueSounds
Can you back that up? Whatcd doesn't have a bonus system, but it's got seeders. Same with bitmetv, and ScT, and TT. I think you just like bonus systems and are trying to justify them by making absurd statements.
It might be ok when it's balanced and rewards small amounts of upload while files are generally large (KG) or if it's a 0day tracker where the extra upload can be made up from the uploaders seedboxes. However I don't think your statement has very much truth in it.
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What.cd got seeders because it strongly encourages uploading of your own stuff. Without your own uploads, it's very difficult to maintain a good ratio there, unless you have a seedbox and leech tons of stuff you don't really want / need (like many users do there). What.cd therefore is not exactly the best example you could have brought up in this respect.
And it's no 'proof' for the effectiveness of the ratio system either - people who keep seeding stuff for months, or years even, likely would do so without a ratio system also (particularly on specialised trackers like TT, with a lot of 'enthusiasts' willing to share).
Bonus systems, which not only reward upload speed (-> seedbox users), but seeding time, are to the benefit of all users. It's not about what I 'like' or not, I can handle bonus-free ratio trackers just fine, thank you. It's about what is logically to the benefit of all, and you have yet to provide a valid argument why a bonus system is not beneficial.
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cinephilia
not to mention that a bonus system would be totally useless without a ratio system (except maybe for karma points whores).
Sorry, but that is nonsense. You can reward users with invites, for example, and other benefits. There are non-ratio sites that do exactly that.
Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
Well you didn't back up your post. All you did was take apart my examples with your assumptions yet offering no concrete reasons, proofs, or examples. I can only lol at what you're saying.
BTW I make tons more upload at seeding snatched torrents on what than by uploading my own. I upload purely for the sake of sharing, it's ridiculous to upload purely for ratio. Just keep a bunch of torrents you snatched seeding. Assuming they aren't too niche you WILL get upload because what.cd gets tons of traffic.
Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
What may have a fairly long retention, but on closer look one will see that there are tons of 1 seeder-torrents(the original uploader). And only a sb owner (with a good ratio) will want to dl such torrent. So, long retention by itself is of little use, if members fear to download old files.
This is the reason I like ptp bonus system; it take into account the number of files you seed and factored in the size of the files and add an extra point for file below 5 seeders. This encorage people downloading underseeded torrents.
I don't need sb to get good ratio in tracker with bonus system, and bonus system is not relevent to people with sb.
Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
Nah they help the overall speed of the sites.
Who wants to wait days/hours for a download,trackers lose members that away as the members can go to public no ratio trackers and get the files in that amount of time.
I just get fed up with the whole epenor thing>"I seeded @38MB/s see screenshots in my profile" yadda yadda yadda
Well who gives a flying **** unless you uploaded it originally 20 seconds after pre :P
Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
Guys, a bonus system is very usefull, but it can also be abused, by users limiting their upload speed. Again that's where the community aspect (sharing is caring) kick in.
why do people seed at BMTV, What, etc. for a longer time? Simple, because they're afraid of their ratio. Honestly, Im glad I used a seedbox there. But my buffer at BMTV is allmost all used out.
