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This statement alone should serve to disregard your entire post, or any other post you'd ever make in the subject - it's obvious you are willing to blatantly lie in order to try and brainwash whoever's reading this thread. I mean, this really has me on the floor.
Do your own research. Here is the background for you. In the 73 war Moshe Dayan gave orders to mobilise the Isreali nuclear weapons. Launchers were armed at Hirbat Zachariah while F-4s based at Tel Nof near Rehovot were also armed. Meier used these actions to leverage the US into providing air lifts of equipment and other supplies. But what if the US had refused? Gurion had already stated that Isreal would destroy the region before being invaded by arab states, as looked very likely in those early days of the 73 war. There are reports from the CIA that Isreal even threatened the SR7 sent to keep an eye on the deployment.
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Israel willing to use nuclear weapons to destroy the whole region.. ROTFL i just can't get that out of my mind.. i mean go ahead and lie.. but make the lie so blatant? why? are you TRYING to discredit yourself ?
You really shouldn't parade your ignorance so loudly you know. Try actually researching the subject first.
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it's funny how you think Israel is dangerous whereas it has NEVER started a war while 5 wars were started against it, all in the purpose of destroying Israel, mind you
Isreal started the 67 war, the invasions of Lebanon and the occupation of palestinian land. It is an oppressive regime that has shown itself willing to countenance nuclear first strike.
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so now Israel is to blame for the 9/11 ?
I didn't say Isreal was to blame for 9/11, Al Qaida is obviously. I said that Isreali foreign policy is responsible for creating terrorism. Al Qaida's raison d'etre is to stop the occupation of palestinian land (as well as removing US troops from Saudi Arabia which they succeeded in doing). If Isreal retreated from the land it illegally occupies, that removes a huge recruiting impetus from Al Qaida, Hamas etc. The US was attacked, as I said, because the IDF has Made in USA on it. If you cannot see the link between an illegal invading army and a conflation of terrorism/resistance then no amount of debate will help you.
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The United Nations has an extreme anti-Israel bias
Heh yep, the organisation that created Isreal really hates jews and Isreal. Damn you are stupid. Even ignoring that fact, you will notice there are no Arab permanent members of the SC, while there are several pro-Isreali states with permanent status. The US (who pay for the IDF and Isreali nukes) and France (who sold them their nuclear reactors) for example.
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On Monday, France, Belgium and four other European Union members endorsed a U.N. Human Rights Commission resolution condoning "all available means, including armed struggle" to establish a Palestinian state
I agree, armed struggle is allowable to establish the state that was stolen by Isreal. Same as the French Resistance fighting Nazi occupation. People have a right of self defence. Of course, we would all prefer they would just target settlers and the army and not civilians but we understand their desperation. Where is your condemnation of the IDF targetting civilians? I am happy to condemn the killing of civilians by both sides, you give the IDF some form of moral exemption.
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That Palestinian terror predates occupation,
Say what? Are you sure you don't mean Isreali terrorism predates occupation? You are aware of Gurions activities aren't you? Ever since '48 the Isreali's have occupied palestinian land, whereas before '48 the jews killed countless civilians in terrorist attacks.
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the day israel was declared when the combined forces of the arab nations attacked it even before it had an army in the purpose of completely destroying it
This has what exactly to do with the palestinians? You will notice that the UN (or anyone else) has no problem with a defensive war.
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I believe such occupation renders the land ours
You are entitled to that opinion. Do you also believe Saddam was entitled to keep Kuwait as a buffer against US or Saudi Arabian agression? How about Hitler being able to keep Poland as a buffer against Russia? You see, you opinions appear to be held by the best company. There is no legality behind the illegal occupation of the land, as recognised by numerous UN resolutions - both specifically against Isreal and others regarding seizing land in war.
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we still gave much to the palestinians
You give them nothing but death, restricted human rights and endless oppression.
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and will soon give much more when the defence wall is complete
Defence wall? Apartheid wall that is attempting to grab even more land for Isreal. It seperates people from their own land and farms, enabling Isreal to grab more fertile land and aquifers.
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at which time they'd have their own little terrorist country like they've always wanted
I refer you again to the birth of your country and that terrorist Ben Gurion.
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let's see how they fare without us supporting them adn yes that's exactly what we're doing right now as opposed to what some "honest" people may portray.. medication, supplies, water
I provided figures showing that Isreal steals palestinian water and then charges them 3x+ the price for the remainder. Debate the numbers please rather than just stating what you dearly want to believe. You treat the palestinians as 2nd class citizens and restrict their access to healthcare, land, water, you name it.
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you of all amuse me with your accusations of Israel for killing civilians.. well first of all civilians are never targeted and only die in error as a result of fighting terrorists
You have managed to kill over 1200 CHILDREN in the last few years, over 1/4 of the total palestinian dead. Are you saying they were all terrorists? That they were all accidents? How about the 95 year old woman shot in the face while sitting in a car at a checkpoint? Was she a terrorist? What about the IDF soldiers finally coming out and openly stating what the armies ROE are? Your comments are utterly in the face of established facts, and testimonies of IDF soldiers themselves.
One thing you might be able to clear up though since you are so sure. Why, after blowing up a car containing no terrorists, do the IDF return 20 minutes later and drop 2 more missiles on the ambulance crews and civilians attempting to help injured people? Why did they use tank fire on ambulance/fire crews trying to rescue people from civilian buildings blown up by IDF missiles?
You are so removed from reality it's not funny.
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who hide among civilians for them to serve as human shield
The prime user of human shields is the IDF, in one of it's most flagrant abuses of human rights. I am sure you criticised Saddam for using them, just as you attempt to criticise the palestinians, but will you condemn the IDF using them in the greatest numbers of any state past or present?
The UK had terrorism from NI and Eire for decades, did we bomb Dublin or Belfast? Nope, because we realise that such acts are inhuman acts of slaughter worthy of nasty ethnic cleansing regimes such as 90's Serbia and Isreal.
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as a matter of fact an astronomical number of operations are cancelled because assessments say civilians might die
Over 4500 have died in the last few years, so pardon us if we think you are talking shit.
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our soldiers are put in incredible risks in order not to hurt civilians
Oh yes, very risky standing behind a palestinian civilian while you use his shoulder as a firing position. Must be very risky forcing palestinians to open doors to random houses while the IDF hides behind him or her.
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for example in the Jenine "slaughter" (another example of the UN's objectivity) many of our soldiers died because we weren't willing to simply bomb the terrorist infrastructure.
We have no idea if it was a slaughter as the IDF refused to allow anyone entry untill they had cleaned the place up. We do know that a lot of civilians died including the old and disabled who had their houses demolished while they were inside. I do like your definition of many though, for the IDF that means roughly 10 soldiers but for palestinians losses to count as "many" we obviously have to get higher than the current 4500+. Frankly I have as much sympathy for IDF losses defending occupied land as I have for Nazi losses defending France or Poland. Shame for the individual, but necessary to remove the occupying force as politics has failed so far.
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I'm afraid i can't say that about your country who deliberately bombed German civilians in WW2 and would undoubtedly do it again had a similar situation arisen. and the funny thing is, i don't even blame (let alone criticize) you and i think you did the right thing
Well you should condemn it, the Allies use of indiscrimate fire bombing of German cities was akin to a war crime and has been the subject of much soul searching in the UK. Since then the UK has never done anything similar. At least we now know where you stand on the indiscrimate killing of civilians, not that there was much doubt anyway.
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when your civilians are bombed you should retaliate for the sole purpose of stopping the killing in your side - if the enemy knows he'll pay in lives when he takes your lives, he wouldn't do it.. everybody wins
Get out of the occupied land and the killing will end. Until then you will face a resistance movement that has worldwide support. The current status quo of Isreali oppression in Isreal itself and the occupied lands will not stand, and cannot be allowed to stand as a reward for violent agression.
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the point is, having done much worse and never regretting it (not that i think you should) it's hilarious you criticize us
We do criticise the WW2 bombing (Harris is vilified regularly here) and would regard it as a war crime if done now. The proof? We didn't bomb Dublin or Belfast, and didn't firebomb the Serbs. Your attempts to explain away mass murder mean nothing.
